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Archive 2022 · Landscape/Astro - trade the wide angle f2.8 for 4.0 & a fast prime?

  
 
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Landscape/Astro - trade the wide angle f2.8 for 4.0 & a fast prime?


I am a landscape shooter and also enjoy the night sky as well. I just switched camera brands, and and currently running an adapted 14-24 Sigma f2.8 on my Sony body. This lens is a beast as it is, and the adapter pushes the center of gravity out even further. I love the lens, but hate the weight, bulkiness, awkwardness, etc. I am surely going to get rid of the adapter and lens, but what should I buy? The only reason I have the wide angle f2.8 in my bag is for the night sky.

Option 1 - get another Sigma 14-24 f2.8 for E-mount (sony version is a little less bulky, and obviously no adapter, but its still a beast)

Option 2 - wide angle 14-24 / 16-35 (or equivalent) f4.0 for landscape. It will be light weight, small in size, easy to hike with, etc. Then get a fast prime like a 20mm or 24mm f1.x for the night sky.



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Mar 19, 2022 at 08:02 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Landscape/Astro - trade the wide angle f2.8 for 4.0 & a fast prime?


The 14-24 DN native E-mount is stellar and it is much lighter weight than the SLR mount version.


Mar 19, 2022 at 08:14 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Landscape/Astro - trade the wide angle f2.8 for 4.0 & a fast prime?


Option 1:
Great lens, covers all your use cases. You are already familiar with the non-native version so no learning curve.
Even the native version is still a little bulky/heavy though, F2.8 is not the fastest for astro.
If you can live with the downsides, it seems to be a very reasonable compromise.

Option 2:
More hassle dealing with 2 lenses but as you pointed out yourself, you can get a very lightweight small dedicated lens for landscape that is much easier to hike with.
Will also solve the balance issue. More flexibility as you can leave one lens at home if you know in advance that you will only be needing one. For astro, the 20mm F1.8 or 24mm F1.4 get a lot of praise. The 20mm in particular is not even half the weight of the Sigma e-Mount zoom, so you might even end up with less overall weight compared to the 1 lens solution. Both will give you at least one stop advantage over a F2.8, and you will need all the light you can get. Keep in mind any of the lenses probably need to be stopped down a bit further to reduce aberrations.
Here are 2 good reviews, one more astro-centered, the other more general comparing both:



Personally I would tend towards option 2, for astro you will really come to appreciate a faster lens. And for landscapes, there will be days you already know in advance you are not going to shoot at night – so just having a dedicated light hiking lens with you will free up space and weight in your bag.

Now, if you ever plan to get deeper into landscape astro, you might consider to skip wide angle and look for medium focal lengths like 35mm upwards. You will need to stich panoramas, but it will yield more detail and cleaner images due to ‘smaller’ noise. At some point that will require a tracker and then it really becomes complex, but just something to keep in mind as a possible future option.



Mar 19, 2022 at 10:55 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Landscape/Astro - trade the wide angle f2.8 for 4.0 & a fast prime?


I have liked the 24GM for astro. I have never tried the 20G and suspect that would be a good choice as well, especially for the price. For wide landscape you might look at the Tamron 17-28. I have the 12-24G f/4, it is also a sharp lens, but I tend to shoot longer lenses and haven't used it much so far.


Mar 19, 2022 at 11:53 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Landscape/Astro - trade the wide angle f2.8 for 4.0 & a fast prime?


Just some comments. There is no 14-24 F4 lens in Sony land and whilst I'm sure the 16-35 F4 Sony lens is good, it doesn't get much love here because there are better options.

The Tamron 17-28 F2.8 is a very good lens and small and light and could probably take decent astrolandscape photos. You could also pair it with the Sony 14mm F1.8, for a nice Astro kit.

Personally, I use the Sony 12-24 F2.8 for both landscape and astrolandscape. I'm happy with the results I've been getting.



Mar 20, 2022 at 01:43 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Landscape/Astro - trade the wide angle f2.8 for 4.0 & a fast prime?


I use the 20G mainly for my astro landscape images. Sometimes the 35GM depending on the subject. I started out with an adapted Samyang 24/1.4 & the 20G is so much nicer to use & carry with regard to weight & balance.

Your other option is to buy a star tracker to overcome the aperture loss of the zooms & give you different options in the way you shoot.



Mar 20, 2022 at 04:46 AM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Landscape/Astro - trade the wide angle f2.8 for 4.0 & a fast prime?


Bocephus, you are like me, a landscape shooter who includes astro landscapes. I am assuming that you (like I do) will use the lens either for "one shot" astro landscapes, or, maybe, for a foreground image later blended into a stacked sky images, but shot from the same time at the same spot. If you are sophisticated enough to be doing astro panoramas, star tracker shots, etc, the I would assume you would not need to ask this question.

For what you want, the Sigma 14-24 DG DN is hard to beat. Top line optics and the Sony version is nice and light weight. You will be very pleasantly surprised. It is not a "Beast" for the extreme optic that it is and, really, not that heavier than most standard zooms. Of course, if you have ultimate $$$, get the ultimate lens in this area, the Sony 12-24. But, it is $1400 versus $2,800. Not worth it for a single purpose lens.

I would make a third suggestion: Get the 16-36 2.8 GM. This lens is fast and wide enough for astro but equally important takes standard 82mm filters, and standard 100mm square/rectangular filter systems. This is a BIG difference. But, if having the ultra wide 2.8 in your bag is solely for astro, the Sigma DG DN is the way to go.

I would not necessarily go single focal length, the zoom gives you more flexibility in composing especially if you will be including meaningful landscapes in the foreground. More lens speed is helpful keeping noise down for single shot exposures, but you lose depth of field making it hard to get any near foreground in focus, and now you have to resort to focus stacking foreground images (perhaps with artificial lighting having to be consistent with each shot), along with exposure stacking sky images--it becomes very complex very quickly. If you are only stacking sky shots, then 2.8 is fine anyway.

If, however, you want single focal lengths, there are two top options not mentioned here. First, the Batis 18mm 2.8. Widely regarded as one of the best astro lenses and extremely light weight. If you want even wider, the new Sony 14mm 1.8. Top of the class as well and surprisingly small and light. Again, the difference is that the Batis takes standard 77m filters and its focal length is more useful if you also want an incredible lens for general landscape use. The Sony does not take standard filters and 14mm, while ideal for astro, is definitely niche territory for general landscapes.

As good as the 20 and 24 are, for me they are not wide enough for a dedicated astro only landscape lens. But, like the Batis, they are good for astro, and offer very useful focal lengths for general daytime landscapes.



Mar 20, 2022 at 07:42 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Landscape/Astro - trade the wide angle f2.8 for 4.0 & a fast prime?


I am sort of doing it back to front,

The sigma 14-24 is a fantastic lens, great for Astro, the ability to frame your shot is great, the rear filters are very small (and they do a night pollution one)

The weight of a decent Astro prime and the f4 zoom is greater than the sigma, and then you only have the single focal length for Astro,

What I am doing is using the Sigma for Astro and general photography, then when I want a super compact option I am using a small prime on the camera and another in the pocket,



Mar 20, 2022 at 09:39 AM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Landscape/Astro - trade the wide angle f2.8 for 4.0 & a fast prime?


I use the Sigma 14-24 f/2.8 for nightscapes and occasionally landscapes as well. But I don't have a lot of experience yet to know where I take most my pictures at. I'm leaning towards 14mm as where I like to shoot. On dark nights I find the f/2.8 is a little slow. Once I get to about 30 sec exposure the stars start to get tails.

Once I feel that 14mm is the way to go I'll probably buy the Sigma 14mm f/1.8 lens. I've seen it used (on ebay) from MAP camera (Japan) for $750. They always have multiple to choose from and I've bought from them before and find their descriptions to be very accurate. I'm sure the Sony version would be a great lens but I rarely see it used so it's twice the price of the Sigma.

If buying both new I would most likely go with the Sony for the size difference. At almost 1/3 the weight of the Sigma and an inch shorter would make the Sony more likely to be taken with me for second landscape lens. As it is now if I'm hiking I take my 24-105 f/4 and leave the 14-24 f/2.8 in the car most of the time. So I'm sure the Sigma 14mm f/1.8 would also be mostly dedicated to nightscapes and astrophotography.



Mar 20, 2022 at 12:45 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Landscape/Astro - trade the wide angle f2.8 for 4.0 & a fast prime?


Wow, I got more info thrown at me than I expected. I appreciate it!


Mar 20, 2022 at 02:57 PM





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