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Archive 2022 · DXO PureRaw 2 works with the R3

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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · DXO PureRaw 2 works with the R3

DXO released PR 2 and it works with the R3, I am not sure if they will release anything for the current version.

Mar 16, 2022 at 04:23 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · DXO PureRaw 2 works with the R3

Did you buy the new one? I’m curious if I should upgrade. I do have an M1Max so 4x speed improvement would be nice. Although I still use Topaz way more than PureRaw.

RobAmy wrote:
DXO released PR 2 and it works with the R3, I am not sure if they will release anything for the current version.

Mar 16, 2022 at 05:41 PM

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Did you buy the new one? I’m curious if I should upgrade. I do have an M1Max so 4x speed improvement would be nice. Although I still use Topaz way more than PureRaw.

Yes I upgraded my version which was a bit cheaper. It worked well directly in Lightroom, I only did one shot so really did not notice much improvement. Still does not have the RF big glass yet. For me it was worth just having it in Lightroom now.

Mar 16, 2022 at 05:50 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · DXO PureRaw 2 works with the R3

Unless they support multithreaded export I am not upgrading for $79. The export for a large batch of photos is an absurdly slow process.

Mar 16, 2022 at 06:49 PM

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RobAmy wrote:
Yes I upgraded my version which was a bit cheaper. It worked well directly in Lightroom, I only did one shot so really did not notice much improvement. Still does not have the RF big glass yet. For me it was worth just having it in Lightroom now.

Ah...I didn't know about the LR integration...that may make it worth it. I wonder how long till the first sale

Mar 16, 2022 at 08:23 PM

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Jesse Evans wrote:
Unless they support multithreaded export I am not upgrading for $79. The export for a large batch of photos is an absurdly slow process.

Multithreading won't help you much with software that's 90% bottlenecked on GPU and only a small fraction on I/O. Yes, it could be writing the finished image while it's reading / processing the next one, but that would barely move the needle.

PR2 brings no improvements on my MacPro so I haven't upgraded yet.

Mar 16, 2022 at 08:45 PM

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RobAmy wrote:
DXO released PR 2 and it works with the R3, I am not sure if they will release anything for the current version.

Is that better than the DXO PL5?

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Mar 16, 2022 at 08:53 PM

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Is that better than the DXO PL5?

No it's the same, just in a simpler packaging (with basically no settings to choose from).

I also tried the advertised speed. I sent 57 R5 images through 1.5, and then through 2.0, on my 16" MBP M1Max. It took 17:10 minutes with v2, 16:47 minutes with v1.5. Not sure where they got the idea that the M1 machines are 4x faster in v2...

Trust but verify.

Mar 16, 2022 at 09:32 PM

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I tried PureRaw a few months ago but 1) it didn't have the RF600/4 profile and was mistakenly offering me an RF600/11 profile instead 2) results looked inferior compared to ON1 NoNoise. ON1 was like $70 total. It also supports RAW and works very fast on my 5950x + RTX 3090. It does utilize GPU quite well.

Mar 16, 2022 at 10:22 PM

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stanj wrote:
Multithreading won't help you much with software that's 90% bottlenecked on GPU and only a small fraction on I/O. Yes, it could be writing the finished image while it's reading / processing the next one, but that would barely move the needle.

PR2 brings no improvements on my MacPro so I haven't upgraded yet.

The GPU utilization does not seem to be high enough to indicate a limitation there either.

Mar 16, 2022 at 10:46 PM

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RobAmy wrote:
DXO released PR 2 and it works with the R3, I am not sure if they will release anything for the current version.

I can’t believe they didn’t update the original to give R3 support, it seems like a cash grab. It’s a lot to spend on just noise reduction, just for my R3. But it’s really good and I’d like the R3 to have PureRaw. How much was the upgrade discount?

Mar 16, 2022 at 10:54 PM

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Jesse Evans wrote:
The GPU utilization does not seem to be high enough to indicate a limitation there either.

It depends on the GPU. The M1 machines use the GPU basically fully, I am told Nvidia GPUs are also loaded, but other Macs don't use Nvidia hardware, and thus don't have CUDA, and thus... suck. My M1Max runs at the same speed as my MacPro, which is not because the GPU there is so bad, but because it doesn't do CUDA and DXO requires it for maximum performance.

It's lazy engineering but for a small company it's pretty standard. What miffs me more is what I would call blatantly false advertising, since I have an M1Pro and an M1Max machine and neither shows any performance gains whatsoever, so their claims are deceptive.

Mar 16, 2022 at 10:57 PM

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I tried PureRaw a few months ago but 1) it didn't have the RF600/4 profile and was mistakenly offering me an RF600/11 profile instead

To be fair ON1 doesn't have an RF600 profile either

Mar 16, 2022 at 11:00 PM

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stanj wrote:
To be fair ON1 doesn't have an RF600 profile either

What software works better is different for different people, I'll take DXO over ON1 any day, but chances are we have different expectations and needs. What is decidedly more irritating is that v2 is really no better or different than v1.5, with the exception of a few cameras having been added, and $79 for that upgrade just reeks.

I prefer not to apply any corrections, that's why I don't care much about profiles. I would definitely prefer not to apply a wrong correction profile

Of course it's a minor annoyance compared to quality/performance in general. Have you actually tried ON1? I tried all three (Topaz/ON1/DxO) quite extensively, and ON1 delivered the best results, effortlessly. I don't need anything except of noise reduction while retaining fine details, and this is what it does like no other software: raw => DNG - done. Everything else I can do in PS/LR. But YMMV...

Mar 16, 2022 at 11:12 PM

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docusync wrote:
I prefer not to apply any corrections, that's why I don't care much about profiles. I would definitely prefer not to apply a wrong correction profile

Of course it's a minor thing compared to quality/performance in general. Have you actually tried ON1? I tried all three (Topaz/ON1/DxO) quite extensively, and ON1 delivered the best results, effortlessly. I don't need anything except of noise reduction while retaining fine details, and this is what it does like no other software: raw => DNG - done. Everything else I can do in PS/LR. But YMMV...

You could always turn off the correction in DXO, and since 1.5 you can separate between distortion, global, and "lens compensation" correction, which is great in my book.

Yes, I have tried everything I could lay my hands on, and liked DXO best. I also like the DXO workflow best - drop a few hundred (or thousand) files on the app in the evening, find the matching DNGs in the morning, and carry on. The whole "no options" (or, "few options") approach of PR is right on.

I think that we're just scratching the surface of what's to come in the domain of AI processing, so I am not losing too much sleep over who's best today. It's like the whole Canon/Nikon/Sony thing.

Mar 16, 2022 at 11:29 PM

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RobAmy wrote:
DXO released PR 2 and it works with the R3, I am not sure if they will release anything for the current version.

Highly unlikely. DXO does operate that way. R5 was released in August and no RAW support for PL until November and you had to pay for the upgrade.

On my machine PR1 takes 30 seconds to process an R5 file. PR2 takes 17 seconds. I see no IQ improvements so a little pricey to upgrade. Don't think I'll get past the trial stage.

Mar 16, 2022 at 11:57 PM

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drimer wrote:
I can’t believe they didn’t update the original to give R3 support, it seems like a cash grab. It’s a lot to spend on just noise reduction, just for my R3. But it’s really good and I’d like the R3 to have PureRaw. How much was the upgrade discount?

That is how DXO operates. I've been complaining about them for years. I only got 9 months out of PL3.

Mar 17, 2022 at 12:30 AM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · DXO PureRaw 2 works with the R3

stanj wrote:
To be fair ON1 doesn't have an RF600 profile either

What software works better is different for different people, I'll take DXO over ON1 any day, but chances are we have different expectations and needs. What is decidedly more irritating is that v2 is really no better or different than v1.5, with the exception of a few cameras having been added, and $79 for that upgrade just reeks.

Actually I also like the results of ON1. Only thing about DXO is it's a DNG that still allows access to colour profiles. You need to make your profile choices before sending files to both ON1 and Denoise.

Mar 17, 2022 at 12:36 AM

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stanj wrote:
Yes, I have tried everything I could lay my hands on, and liked DXO best. I also like the DXO workflow best - drop a few hundred (or thousand) files on the app in the evening, find the matching DNGs in the morning, and carry on. The whole "no options" (or, "few options") approach of PR is right on.

I'm not sure who copied who but that's exactly how ON1 works

Yes, I agree that may sounds like Canon vs Nikon or Linux vs Windows but if results and workflows are comparable - $70 for ON1 makes the product more appealing, assuming even DXO upgrade costs more than that. I don't work for ON1 and I don't really care about their user base, but if people here are complaining about DXO price - it's not the only ML-based noise removal product on the market...

Mar 17, 2022 at 12:45 AM

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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · DXO PureRaw 2 works with the R3

Not sure if everyone knows this. When using On1 it says it is optimised for RAW files. If you use as a plug-in it opens as a DNG or TIFF. Dragging a file from LR's film strip directly into On1 it opens as a RAW. When saving it places the rendered DNG back to the original folder but won't show up in LrC. You need to open the Library file, find the folder, right click and sync.

Same goes for DeNoise. They have a video about that process so I tried it with On1. Using On1 I can see the difference between the RAW file and DNG/TIFF. To get the colour profile I want I just sync the DNF to the original RAW. The whole process is cumbersome.

PureRaw's process is much better if you need speed. Not sure why On1 and Topaz can't figure out how to do what DXO does. In their video Topaz actually advertises that you have access to colour profiles but that only works on Canon bodies.

Mar 17, 2022 at 03:53 AM

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