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Desmolicious wrote:
The new Pixii+ rangefinder lets you use even more lenses. Explore more than a hundred different models. From superlative contemporary productions, to venerable vintage designs. There is a lens for every photo you can dream of.

Are there more frame lines? Or do they mean because of better focus accuracy?


The frame lines in the PIXII are all projected individually like on an Xpro. But only 28, 35, 40, 50. It's odd to me that they don't have 75, 25 and 21 too.



Nov 03, 2023 at 08:24 PM
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p.11 #2 · p.11 #2 · Pixii - Digital Rangefinder Camera


The camera is nice, and I will buy it when they decides to put a full frame sensor inside.


Nov 06, 2023 at 09:55 PM
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p.11 #3 · p.11 #3 · Pixii - Digital Rangefinder Camera


3150 Euro for the 128 GB version
2999 Euro for the 64 GB version.


So basically 150 Euros for the extra 64 GB. $164.

Sandisk is selling (Black Friday) 256 GB for $30.
SanDisk 256GB Extreme PRO SDXC UHS-I Memory Card - C10, U3, V30, 4K UHD, SD Card - SDSDXXD-256G-GN4IN



Nov 22, 2023 at 04:02 PM
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p.11 #4 · p.11 #4 · Pixii - Digital Rangefinder Camera


After debating for nearly two years, the “reverse” monochrome mode introduced a year ago, a recent focus window shift outward (mentioned earlier), and a Black Friday sale going on now, I just ordered a Pixii+ 128. This won’t be my only camera so not looking for an everything model. If anyone else is on the fence now may be the time to save a few dollars.

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Nov 25, 2023 at 12:09 PM
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p.11 #5 · p.11 #5 · Pixii - Digital Rangefinder Camera


blessingx wrote:
After debating for nearly two years, the “reverse”monochrome mode introduced a year ago, a recent focus window shift outward (mentioned earlier), and a Black Friday sale going on now, I just ordered a Pixii+ 128. This won’t be my only camera so not looking for an everything model. If anyone else is on the fence now may be the time to save a few dollars.


Please post your experiences! What colour?



Nov 25, 2023 at 12:49 PM
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p.11 #6 · p.11 #6 · Pixii - Digital Rangefinder Camera


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Please post your experiences! What colour?

Black matte, of course.
I should probably also mention this leap is affected by picking up a M9M this year and locked in B&W has been a minor revolution for me (your mileage may vary). I’ve only converted a color shot once in months. The Pixii also requires color/monochrome mode choice before shooting, an in-between. I have too many cameras and should this be kept will replace likely a couple.



Nov 25, 2023 at 01:20 PM
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p.11 #7 · p.11 #7 · Pixii - Digital Rangefinder Camera


Blessingx,
Any update on your experience on this camera? I am contemplating buying one. FYI, I have a M10, m9m, I don’t mind the crop sensor part, more interested in user experience. Thanks.



Dec 10, 2023 at 07:10 PM
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p.11 #8 · p.11 #8 · Pixii - Digital Rangefinder Camera


I actually really like the silver one. It has that futuristic vibe to it.


Dec 10, 2023 at 08:19 PM
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p.11 #9 · p.11 #9 · Pixii - Digital Rangefinder Camera


Jun Zhou wrote:
The camera is nice, and I will buy it when they decides to put a full frame sensor inside.


Unlikely to ever happen. Shame they didn't go APS-H to begin with but those sensors being less common and costlier, probably would have made each unit too pricey.



Dec 10, 2023 at 09:34 PM
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james6714 wrote:
Blessingx,
Any update on your experience on this camera? I am contemplating buying one. FYI, I have a M10, m9m, I don’t mind the crop sensor part, more interested in user experience. Thanks.


The batch of orders from Black Friday (or even recent orders - shipping date has narrowed from weeks to days) is likely shipping this week, so no update yet. Hope to play with it leading up to Xmas, with all the opportunities and time constraints of that time. Will report back as soon as I can.



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p.11 #11 · p.11 #11 · Pixii - Digital Rangefinder Camera


Please post your experience on this camera, I have been contemplating buying it for a while. I'm particularly interested how does actuation feels without haptic feedback from camera. Is that something that bothers you or not something you even notice.

Thanks



Dec 19, 2023 at 09:08 AM
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p.11 #12 · p.11 #12 · Pixii - Digital Rangefinder Camera


Now available for purchase at B&H Photo:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?q=Pixii







Feb 18, 2024 at 11:59 AM
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p.11 #13 · p.11 #13 · Pixii - Digital Rangefinder Camera


Fred Miranda wrote:
Now available for purchase at B&H Photo:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?q=Pixii


Thanks for sharing. It will be interesting to see how this works out for Pixii.



Feb 18, 2024 at 02:35 PM
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p.11 #14 · p.11 #14 · Pixii - Digital Rangefinder Camera



This isn't an official review, just subjective thoughts about my experience, however limited that might be.

I ordered the 128gb silver/gray model in January for €3230 ($3,537.82USD). I also ended up having to pay another $48.67 in import fees after shipment started through DHL. It took around 5 weeks for my Pixii + to arrive from the time I ordered it. I sent them a message 3 1/2 weeks in, asking for an update, and David responded quickly that its fabrication was near complete.

Anyway, shipping wasn't terribly slow, once the camera was on its way. It came while I was on a trip, but I got back last night and opened it up, excited to try it out, and a few things stuck out immediately. It really is a pretty cool looking camera and does feel like a high-quality product in hand, but after handling it for a bit, the body feels slick, and because of the surface, shape and size, my thumb sits on the back, is right where the button and wheel are. I have large hands, so this is just my experience. To me it feels awkward, and not comfortable. I don't enjoy holding the camera. I also live in an area with hot summers, and I can imagine my fingers getting sweaty touching metal, and it potentially slipping from my grasp. I owned a M11, and it felt great in my hand, and even without a prominent grip, didn't feel it was at risk of being dropped. Of course, I was always worried about dropping it just because of what it cost, but that's a different story. I'm not sure the M11 is a fair comparison, but tactile feel really matters to me. The Pixie viewfinder is bright, the frame lines bright, but the clarity of the rangefinder patch doesn't seem as contrasty as I'd like.

Setting the camera up via the tiny camera top screen was ok, with a confirm button and little wheel, but I'd rather do it on a regular screen like almost every other camera.

Putting that aside, importing my first 5 photos, shot with a Voigtlander 35mm APO-Lanthar lens (that was tack sharp on my M11), I found that every single photo, was what I would consider severely front focused. I thought I might have done something wrong, so I took a series of shots of a line of batteries, with the focus on a specific battery in the line, the same one in each shot, from different distances, and each photo was between 7-8cm front focused. I've seen rangefinders off, where the rangefinder images themselves were off, but never where the rangefinder looked lined up and the focused area, was not even close. I then tried three other lenses, 50mm, 28mm, and 90mm, and all where approximately that same distance front focused. I've shot every one of these lenses on digital M, and film M bodies, and never had focus issues. And in fact, have not had a lens on any camera, film or digital, be that far out of focus, let alone a series of lenses.

This morning, I was thinking about things a bit and I thought I'd go outside, and shoot some images on this bright sunny day, and set ISO at 80, center weighted metering, Auto shutter, and lens at F2. The camera for some reason was shooting everything at 1/45th or 1/30th. And because there is no screen, I wasn't seeing the results. And I didn't notice any exposure warnings in the viewfinder. Not having a viewfinder, I thought would make it feel like the film rangefinder experience, but to me It's one thing to turn a screen off, but a vast difference to not have a screen. I have a bunch of film cameras and that's part of the experience, and while I thought it was an interesting idea as I bought the camera, in actual use with a digital camera, it's a game breaker for me.

This brings up another thing. Yes, I can grab my phone and look at at the app, but the images on the app seem to show up as low resolution, and when I hit the share button to import the image to view it in all it's glory, the app says there is no image to import. Not sure why, but that's what I was getting. And the app is as updated as the App Store is showing, and the camera updated to the newest firmware.

The App has been buggy enough in the first 24 hours, that it really feels like it's not worth using. It routinely doesn't respond, or the screen goes blank until you shut it down and restart it. And it has failed to sync settings displayed on the camera itself, showing different ISO/format settings. I didn't see anything about live view on the app, but accidentally bumped this little line near the bottom and a live view window came up, but promptly froze, and I've yet to get it to work again.

With all that in mind, I took the camera in, and imported the images via cable to my Mac. Of course, at such slow shutter speeds all the images were blown out beyond rescue, like really bad jpegs that have been overexposed, like nothing recoverable.

Next, looking out a window in the house, with the same ISO and metering settings, I took photos from F2, stopping down one stop each time to f11, and after importing those images, they got brighter as I stopped down. I have no clue what it was doing now. All these shots were taken on the Auto setting for shutter speed, yet the shutter speed never went faster than 1/45th.

With the camera at my waist, I watched the OLED screen on top to see if the shutter speed was changing beyond 1/45th as I adjusted the aperture on the lens, and now it seemed to, so I focused the lens to infinity and took shots again, from F2-F16 and this time shutter changed. From 1/1000@F2 to 1/20@F16, and the exposure was good for all the frames. The focus only seemed to be spot on at F8, but everything in that frame should have been in focus.

So where does this leave me? The excitement I had, supporting a new camera company, an alternative new rangefinder camera is gone. I'm simply confused how something brand new would come this far out of spec and have so many weird things go on. It's the first digital camera I've taken out of the box and I have not been able to take a test photos that were in focus and exposed correctly. It's just strange. I'm not going to even bother messing with it additionally, I will be sending this back. I've long been a fan of underdog companies, but I've also been burned a number of times, and now after less than 24 hours since opening the box, I feel like it's happened again. I wonder if the point is that I should stop looking at the underdogs, at least until they're no longer underdogs.

Maybe it's good that the focus is so far off, because it has made me be a little more critical about the other things that would potentially bother me. I'm not writing this to trash the company, they seem like they want to make a good product, but it doesn't feel like the QC is there, and beyond that it doesn't feel it is the camera for me for several reasons.

Someone else mentioned something like, "Everyone knows that if there's a problem, they will have to send it back to France." I guess in my naivety I assumed that I wouldn't have to return a $3k camera back to France to make it functional immediately after receiving it. Nothing is perfect, but I don't think that's the expectation of many of us. I'm willing to put up with some quirkiness if the basics are solid. I'd simply like to be able to take a photo that is in focus without having to return it on day one.

So, the Pixii returns page indicates that it's going to be up to me to cover the return costs, and also pay 10% return fee, so I'm going to think of this as some sort of expensive camera rental failure. I'm sure I'll learn before the next one thing like this.

Image #1 - focused on the 2nd AA Battery

Image #2 - A masterpiece of unintentional overexposure















Feb 22, 2024 at 12:59 PM
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powderhound2 wrote:
So, the Pixii returns page indicates that it's going to be up to me to cover the return costs, and also pay 10% return fee, so I'm going to think of this as some sort of expensive camera rental failure. I'm sure I'll learn before the next one thing like this.



As the camera is defective, and not being returned just because you changed your mind, I would demand not to be charged the 10% return fee.



Feb 22, 2024 at 01:49 PM
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Or for those of us not in the EU, buy from B&H instead with their easy return policy. Sorry to hear it didn't work out for you!


Feb 22, 2024 at 02:20 PM
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p.11 #17 · p.11 #17 · Pixii - Digital Rangefinder Camera


I might just do that, it's just a bummer, that it didn't work out, and that it's kind of a hassle to get it back to them. Live and learn.



Feb 22, 2024 at 03:13 PM
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p.11 #18 · p.11 #18 · Pixii - Digital Rangefinder Camera


powderhound2 wrote:
This isn't an official review, just subjective thoughts about my experience, however limited that might be.

I ordered the 128gb silver/gray model in January for €3230 ($3,537.82USD). I also ended up having to pay another $48.67 in import fees after shipment started through DHL. It took around 5 weeks for my Pixii + to arrive from the time I ordered it. I sent them a message 3 1/2 weeks in, asking for an update, and David responded quickly that its fabrication was near complete.

Anyway, shipping wasn't terribly slow, once the camera was on its way. It came while I
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That sucks- Why with an M11 do you want to try this out? Just interested?



Feb 22, 2024 at 04:14 PM
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RustyRus wrote:
That sucks- Why with an M11 do you want to try this out? Just interested?


I think it is a cool idea on many levels - mostly because it is the only other M mount digital camera sold.
But the OP's experience was a bit surprising to say the least. Perhaps this is why the online reviews from anyone are so thin on the ground?



Feb 22, 2024 at 06:12 PM
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p.11 #20 · p.11 #20 · Pixii - Digital Rangefinder Camera


Oh believe me, I wasn't replacing the M11. I sold my M11 last year. The M11 was fantastic, I loved the images from it, and now regret selling it, but I had so many cameras, and something had to give. I've got a Q2, which I love as well, and I'm hoping at some point they will produce an EVF-M. If they don't, at some point I'll probably buy another M11.

I finally convinced myself that trying the Pixii was worth it, and I guess in some sense it was, as it really illustrated that it isn't the camera for me. So, as long as I get all my money back from Pixii, I'll never have to think about it again.



Feb 22, 2024 at 07:11 PM
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