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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · A7RV

If Sony is going to announce a new A7RV this year when and where is it most likely to be announced? After all the A7IV threads, I'm interested in getting one, but I'm debating on adding it with my A7RIII or waiting to see if the RV is more all-in-one and just get that one camera instead

I'm not interested in the RIV, just not. The A1 is too expensive and too much camera for my needs, and the A9s are specialized cameras IMO. if and when I started shooting sports or BIF more seriously, I will probably get a 9.

Anyone have a timeframe for the A7RV announcement?

Feb 07, 2022 at 10:12 PM

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People that know the details about an upcoming camera, won’t be able to divulge any information. People that don’t know, well, they just speculate. Sorry… But you can check out the Sony Rumor site from time to time for the later, I guess.

Feb 07, 2022 at 10:28 PM

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Dultimate wrote:
If Sony is going to announce a new A7RV this year when and where is it most likely to be announced? After all the A7IV threads, I'm interested in getting one, but I'm debating on adding it with my A7RIII or waiting to see if the RV is more all-in-one and just get that one camera instead

I'm not interested in the RIV, just not. The A1 is too expensive and too much camera for my needs, and the A9s are specialized cameras IMO. if and when I started shooting sports or BIF more seriously, I will probably get a 9.

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One thing to bear in mind is that Sony are not going to cannibalise their own lines. So the A7rV will remain distinct from the A7, A9 and A1 (especially) lines. If you're hoping for something that gets close to the A1 or the speed of A9+A1 then I think you'll be disappointed. The A7r line is going to remain the camera of choice for those that need extreme detail.

I bought the A7riv recently and my goodness what a fabulous camera it is. I especially like that I can switch to APSC for 100% AF frame coverage, smaller files at 26 MPs (so faster buffer clearance) which is more than my A9 ! Plus the ability to see your subject larger and clearer in the frame (all reasons not to shoot FF and crop in post). Effectively two FLs for every lens. Then I have the full 61 MP when I shoot architecture, land and cityscapes. It really is the perfect camera for me and Sony are going to have a tough job convincing me I need an upgrade.

NB. Virtually all of my lenses resolve beautifully on the r4 (from older MF lenses, e.g. Voigtlander 35/1.7 to my numerous Samyangs to my Sonys to my Laowas) so that really isn't an issue at all so I'd ignore those that say you need to upgrade your kit, ditto those that say you need to improve your technique with 61MPs, if you have good technique to begin with it's not an issue at all.

Feb 07, 2022 at 11:39 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · A7RV

Yes I agree with Frogfish 100%. For whatever reason(s) the A7R4 gets little appreciation here on FM...probably because it is not the A1!

However, I can shoot birds in flight just fine...10FPS is amazing compared to what we had not too long ago. If you know how to handle a camera, and know how your subject behaves - you will be fine with the A7R4. You don't have to spend $5-$6k for the A1 to get a camera that can shoot birds in flight as well as fine landscapes.

Both photos shot with A7R4 - I shoot mostly large birds in flight...The A7R4 handles these well. The blackout of the viewfinder does not stop me from getting the shots.

I also have the A1 - it is indeed better for birds in flight images. BUT, the A7R4 is good enough. Yes I would take a Lexus every time over the Subaru Deborah and I drive (a 2009 - only 80,000 miles). Our Subaru has always gotten us to our destination...not as flashy or fast as a Lexus...but I have the free time to go places - and don't have to pay that Lexus off. Freedom to do what I want when I want - that is priceless.

I'd sell my A1 first of the two Sony bodies...and the A9 (I had that once) - another great camera. Not enough resolution for my needs...

Good Luck! No matter what camera you get, maximize your time shooting - and not worrying about specs.

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Feb 08, 2022 at 03:02 AM

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A big deciding feature on the A7R5 is going to be both the resolution and feature-set. Is it going to be of a landscape camera with features that enhance that experience? HDR captures, timelapses, automatic stitching etc. Or will it be a step from A7R2 to A7R3 with more quality of life options? (new menus and flippy screen are a given I think).
I personally see my A7R4 as a do it all. I can shoot an amazing 10 fps in 61MP and can take it out into the rain without having to worry about it dying on me. It doesn't get the limelight of the A1, but it's damn close for what I need.

Feb 08, 2022 at 03:10 AM

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Maybe they announce A7r5 this year, but another question is when it is available

Sometimes in 2023? And will it be an enchased A7r4 with more speed, or a true megapixel master seeking to challenge Fuji medium format?

I understand your dilemma. As a A7r3 user that also has A9 I am looking for A1 prices to come down a little. That might not happen this year, but theoretically A1 would be the perfect one camera solution. That is if I want to part from my A7r3... It has probably so low retail value right now that most sensible is to keep it as a back up camera.

Switching from A9 to A1 is also worth a second thought. The other day one guy with a relatively new A1 said that in high ISO values, typical to action and bird photography, benefits of A1 high resolution diminish. A1 has slightly better af, but considering current second hand prices A9 has plenty to offer. Personally I also find it perfectly capable in portrait and street photography.

Anyway, this is not an easy spot to make a decision on an upgrade. I have learned to like my cameras, although they are mk3 Sony. A7r4, A9II and A74 are only incremental improvements. Right now only A1 ticks all the important boxes but it is still too expensive. I am ready to make my decision when mk5 generation is out and available.

Dultimate wrote:
If Sony is going to announce a new A7RV this year when and where is it most likely to be announced? After all the A7IV threads, I'm interested in getting one, but I'm debating on adding it with my A7RIII or waiting to see if the RV is more all-in-one and just get that one camera instead

I'm not interested in the RIV, just not. The A1 is too expensive and too much camera for my needs, and the A9s are specialized cameras IMO. if and when I started shooting sports or BIF more seriously, I will probably get a 9.

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Feb 08, 2022 at 03:38 AM

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Dultimate wrote:
If Sony is going to announce a new A7RV this year when and where is it most likely to be announced? After all the A7IV threads, I'm interested in getting one, but I'm debating on adding it with my A7RIII or waiting to see if the RV is more all-in-one and just get that one camera instead

I'm not interested in the RIV, just not. The A1 is too expensive and too much camera for my needs, and the A9s are specialized cameras IMO. if and when I started shooting sports or BIF more seriously, I will probably get a 9.

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So many people want to know when Sony will announce each new camera. (Well, except the A1 - that one came out of nowhere!)

The people who know Sony's plans are under strict legal controls - if they told you, they lose their jobs, and get sued into oblivion.

Everyone else does not know.

Some people will tell you that it must be on such and such a date - they are guessing / speculating / estimating / wishing / hoping, or possibly even making things up for various reasons (including click-bait). They will tell that the camera you are asking about MUST have particular features. They don't know. Don't believe them.

There will probably be an A7RV at some point. Maybe this year, Maybe next year. Maybe later. It might have more pixels than the A7RIV, it may not (I would hope the A7RV has a better sensor than the A7RIV, not just a repeat). I would hope it gets the features of the new generation: the new processor and new menus. What else will it get? I suspect part of that will depend upon when it arrives - the longer it takes, the more changes it may have

My speculation is no better than anyone else's, but if you need a camera now, buy something that already exists. If you don't need it now (if your camera does what you need), then you can wait, but bear in mind that you could be waiting a while (ask the people who waited for the A7SIII, or the A7IV...).

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I have owned the A7RIII, the A7RIV, the A9II, and the A1. For me, the A7RIII was superseded by the A7RIV (that may not be the case for you). For me, the A9II did not have enough pixels (again, that may not be the case for you). For me, the A1 is not too expensive, it offers a unique combination. That doesn't mean I won't be reading any A7RV announcement with deep interest. I don't believe that there's a single perfect camera - I'll happily continue using an A7R as well as an A1.

Feb 08, 2022 at 04:41 AM

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Just to comment on the A7r3 (fine camera indeed, as was the A7r2 I had for many years before upgrading to the r4) vs A7r4 discussion.

Personally I found this to be far more than just a sequential upgrade, there were major improvements and new feature sets in a number of key areas meaning, IMHO, A7r3 owners should take another look at the A7r4 instead of dreaming of a yet to be announced A7r5 which likely won't be in your hands for another year, a year you could have been shooting with the A7r4.

To remind people of the improvements I'm copying and pasting a few key features (for me) from the link below to make my life easier

To me the changes to the A7r4a were SUBSTANTIAL over the A7r3a and not just a mere upgrade.

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UPGRADES : A7Riva vs A7r3a

1. For a lot of people the new aspect ratios are beneficial even if only in visualising the scene and final output : the a7R IV also adds 4:3 and 1:1, whereas the a7R III only supports 3:2 and 16:9.

2. 61MP vs 42MP is the obvious one (and that 42MP is a wonderful sensor too but in APSC mode it's 'only' 18MP though crucially increased to 26MP from the r4).

3. The a7R IV features 567 phase detection points that cover approximately 74% of the sensor’s surface (virtually 100% in APSC). The a7R III has 399 points covering approximately 68% of the sensor area.

4. Unlike the a7R III the new a7R IV also gets real-time tracking that can currently be found in only the A1, A9 series and a6400 onwards. This allows focus to be maintained automatically on your subject while the shutter button is half-pressed.

5. Although the a7R III does feature Real-time Eye AF for both humans and animals, it does not allow you to specifying which eye (left/right) you would like to track. The Sony a7R IV now also supports Eye AF when shooting movies.

6. A key feature for bird/wildlife shooters :
PDAF (Phase Detect Autofocus) only works down to f/8 with the Sony a7R III. The Sony a7R IV pushes this down to f/11 and in doing so allows you to make use of PDAF with the FE 100-400 F4.5-5.6 GM lens using both the FE 1.4 & 2x teleconverters or the new FE 200-600 F5.6-6.3 G lens with the 1.4 TC.
With the a7R III, when the aperture is greater than f/8 in continuous shooting mode, the focus is locked to the setting in the first shot. With the a7R IV, you can now shoot down to and including f/11 before the focus is locked to the settings in the first shot.

7. With the a7R IV you can now choose to display the focus frame in either white or red. Not just grey.

8. The Sony a7R IV has improved low light shooting performance with autofocus sensitivity extended to -3 EV, which is a one stop improvement over the a7R III (rated to -2 EV). Though note : Up to around 3200 ISO both the a7R III and a7R IV have similar levels of ISO performance, but when you hit 6400 ISO the images from the a7R III start to look cleaner.

9. Although both cameras feature in-body 5-axis image stabilization, the a7R IV features a refined image stabilisation algorithm and redesigned mechanism to achieve up to a 5.5-step shutter speed advantage.

10. If you are shooting continuously then the buffer on the a7R III supports a maximum of 76 JPEG, 76 compressed RAW, or 28 uncompressed RAW images.

11. The Sony a7R IV buffer supports a maximum of 68 JPEG, 68 compressed RAW, or 30 uncompressed RAW images. However, switch the a7R IV to APS-C mode and you’ll now get approximately 3x this number!

12. Viewfinder : 3.6M dot panel (A7R III) vs 5.7 million. In addition the extra resolution of the r4 makes this astonishing good in real life, especially when using for MF (when you've got the VF diopter properly adjusted to your eyes - something which I often bump and ruin shots) !!

13. Both slots in the a7R IV are compatible with UHS-I and UHS-II memory cards.

14. The a7R IV has a new Multi Interface Shoe that features a built-in digital audio interface that allows direct connection of the new digital ECM-B1M Shotgun Microphone for clear, low-noise audio recording.

15. The a7R IV features a larger grip that also provides more room for your fingers between the grip and larger lenses. I LOVE this grip though still add an L plate (for my pinkie, aside from its primary use - not needing a QR plate and the ability to quickly switch to vertical on a tripod without the camera hanging off the side of ballhead).

16. Sony has also redesigned and increased the size of the multi-selector (AF Joystick) along with a new textured surface to improve the grip. Response in all eight directions has also been improved. The AF-ON button has been enlarged making it much easier to use with gloves on.

17. Dust and moisture resistance have been significantly improved with refinements throughout the body. Additional sealing is provided at all body seams as well as the battery compartment cover, and the media slot now has a double sliding cover rather than the previous hinged cover to keep water out. A redesigned lens lock button and additional cushioning around the mount further contribute to reliability in challenging outdoor conditions.

18. It’s now possible to tether the a7R IV to a computer and send RAW files via 2.4 GHz or 5 GHz Wi-Fi whilst shooting images in continuous mode with the camera and computer connected using Sony’s Imaging Edge “Remote” software application (Ver. 2.0 or later).

Feb 08, 2022 at 05:35 AM

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Frogfish wrote:
Just to comment on the A7r3 (fine camera indeed, as was the A7r2 I had for many years before upgrading to the r4) vs A7r4 discussion.

Personally I found this to be far more than just a sequential upgrade, there was major improvements and new feature sets in a number of key areas meaning, IMHO, A7r3 owners should take another look at the A7r4 instead of dreaming of a yet to be announced A7r5 which likely won't be in your hands for another year, a year you could have been shooting with the A7r4.

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In the used market here in the US, the A7RIV is around $1900-$2000, the RIII is around $1300-$1400. i would get the RIV over the RIII in a heart beat if I were in the market for such a camera. I no longer have the RIV as I moved on with the A1for its FPS and the best AF.

Feb 08, 2022 at 05:49 AM

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rdcny wrote:
A7R4 gets little appreciation here on FM

The image thread is inactive, but that is easily fixed 🙂
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1613145/57#lastmessage

Feb 08, 2022 at 05:56 AM

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Rumor sites, or guessing... But looking at the past releases can sometimes give a clue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_%CE%B17#ILCE-7R

I presume that is why a lot of people are expecting it sometime soon. For sure the world events 😷, plus putting time effort into the A1 has effected things. From the past average release schedule, looks like it should have been ~2021 🤷🏼‍♂️ This year sometime would not surprise me. Should be interesting to see what happens 🤓 🍿

Feb 08, 2022 at 06:17 AM

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Charles7 wrote:
Rumor sites, or guessing... But looking at the past releases can sometimes give a clue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_%CE%B17#ILCE-7R

I presume that is why a lot of people are expecting it sometime soon. For sure the world events 😷, plus putting time effort into the A1 has effected things. From the past average release schedule, looks like it should have been ~2021 🤷🏼‍♂️ This year sometime would not surprise me. Should be interesting to see what happens 🤓 🍿

This is what I'm asking. Thank you. I understand there is no concrete evidence available but using past data can we take a guess? Do they release it at events like CES or do they do their own shows? Do they do it in the second half of the year or 1st? Is there some time of the year that they normally show their new cameras so we have an idea that it's coming or has passed.

I find it funny how I specifically said I'm not interested in the A7RIV and a few of you went on to extoll it's virtues. I understand it's a great camera, I have the R3 and I know it's better than that. The thing is I want to skip a generation and upgrade to the next version of the camera. Or, in the case of the A7IV, an iteration that complements it.

Feb 08, 2022 at 07:51 AM

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If it was on the same schedule as the last couple releases, it would have been announced in 2 weeks from now and we’d have leaks everywhere.

The component shortages have messed everything up, so if it comes in 2022, it will likely be a summer or fall release.

As to what we’ll get, my bet is on the following:

1. 61MP - Sony really likes to get 2 camera generations per sensor and the 61MP sensor is still unmatched in resolution (note the Fuji 102MP Mini-MF sensor is the exact same pixel density, so more pixels but same pixel pitch/reach)

2. 10fps - We haven’t seen an appetite for Sony to get aggressive on fps anywhere except the A1/A9 line. In fact they’re often class-trailing in terms of fps (A7IV, All the A6x00’s). I hope we’ll see real 10fps instead of ‘bag of caveats’ 10fps as on the A7RIV, which is really an 8fps camera

3. Lossless compressed RAW - A given with Bionz XR

4. Dual CFE-A/SD slots - They might do a A7IV card configuration, but I don’t expect it. A7RIV brought dual-UHS-II to the line, I expect the latest matching slots on the A7V

5. The newest body style. I expect a further evolution past the A1/A7IV body here and on the A9III.

6. Some evolution in software capabilities. Hopefully this will included Focus Stacking, more Aspect ratios and/or a 1.2x crop mode, and even the dreamed-of return of exposure stacking/Smooth Reflections.

Feb 08, 2022 at 08:45 AM

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Dultimate wrote:
This is what I'm asking. Thank you. I understand there is no concrete evidence available but using past data can we take a guess? Do they release it at events like CES or do they do their own shows? Do they do it in the second half of the year or 1st? Is there some time of the year that they normally show their new cameras so we have an idea that it's coming or has passed.

I find it funny how I specifically said I'm not interested in the A7RIV and a few of you went on to extoll it's...Show more →

Actually what I find funny is you have absolutely no idea what upgrades the A7r5 is going to get yet you are willing to wait another year for a camera that may or may not meet your requirements. Hence the reason myself, and others, have pointed out the R4 could actually be the camera you require and you could have it now.

However if you are set on waiting then that's obviously your prerogative and no-one can, or is, forcing you to buy the R4! They are just trying to be helpful.

Feb 08, 2022 at 09:42 AM

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I meant no offense Frogfish.

I'm actually not willing to wait a year. My question is more posed to ask if someone could say that the new cameras are usually announced in April, etc. I see now that no one knows and there's no clue really so why wait. I'll probably wait for a price a sale or edu discount and get the IV when the opportunity presents.

Feb 08, 2022 at 09:48 AM

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Yeah, I've always been one to enjoy more MP as it allows me to gap bigger and carry less. But we have reached a point with 61mp that I just don't see the need (at least for me) of going any higher. I honestly have no interest in an A7V at this point. Which surprises even me. Maybe Sony adds some things that might tempt me, but I'm not even sure what they would be. A7riv is such a great all around camera. It's amazing to me people are not gobbling them up when on the B&S board faster. At this point I'm still more interested in a possible A7cii

Feb 08, 2022 at 09:52 AM

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Dultimate wrote:
I meant no offense Frogfish.

I'm actually not willing to wait a year. My question is more posed to ask if someone could say that the new cameras are usually announced in April, etc. I see now that no one knows and there's no clue really so why wait. I'll probably wait for a price a sale or edu discount and get the IV when the opportunity presents.

Thanks !

As others have said ... there is usually very little deviation from Sony on the 'every three years' for new releases in the same line. However the chip shortage and CV19 are undoubtedly playing their part in likely pushing that back considerably.

So everyone is just guessing from here on but if we consider there's no sign (and often there are rumours in advance) of an announcement, and I don't think any major expo to announce it at for a while, plus lead time until production and then distribution times, personally I'd guess at a year.

Feb 08, 2022 at 09:52 AM

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Frogfish / Shanghai The latest Apple iPhones offering minor advances with higher prices. So camera producers playing the same gadget game? Apple Made in PRC questioned in certain quarters with US media accusing Germany of supporting slave labour in China to the visiting German Chancellor yesterday on US national television.

Feb 08, 2022 at 09:56 AM

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Richard-BB wrote:
Frogfish / Shanghai The latest Apple iPhones offering minor advances with higher prices. So camera producers playing the same gadget game? Apple Made in PRC questioned in certain quarters with US media accusing Germany of supporting slave labour in China to the visiting German Chancellor yesterday on US national television.

Why are you directing this at me ? I've no idea !

Feb 08, 2022 at 10:04 AM

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Sony favorite months to launch bodys in are April and October (yes I have done the statistic research to come to that conclusion).

SAR says they have sources saying that Sony won't, due to the chip shortage, launch any FF bodys in the first half of 2022, so then October is most likely. That would also let the A7RIVa have been on the market for 1 year and a quarter until it gets superseded.

As to specs, I guess forth generation body, mech shutter, no stacked sensor at about 80-100 Mpix.

Why not the 61 Mpix again? It looks like that was a custom job for Sonys camera division (it is not a generic offer on Sony sensor divisions homepage). And they (Sonys camera division) have licensed it to Sigma (fp L) and Leica (M11). I also guess we soon will seee a Leica Q3, SL3 and a Panasonic S1RII with it in them. And there are rumors about a Nikon Z7III with a 61 Mpix sensor which most likely is the same one once again.

So when those who don't have sensor development "in house" as Sony does (though at another division) re-uses Sonys 61 Mpix one, it is not likely Sony themselves will put it in a new body.

There are also rumors about a Canon R5S with 80-100 Mpix. They also make sensors in house and the race these days are between Canon and Sony. Will they do 100 Mpix on this generation or will they milk the market another round and do 80 before they do 100? After that, it will be hard to go higher on FF I guess.

So the summarize, Sony A7RV:
* Forth gen body with the new menus
* 80-100 Mpix BSI sensor, non stacked, so mech shutter at 10 fps
* Release in October 2022
* Price 500-1000 above the original A7RIV launch price which was 3500 USD

Feb 08, 2022 at 11:34 AM

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