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p.3 #1 · p.3 #1 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4


RoamingScott wrote:
Disclaimer: my opinions

Capture One is a bad piece of software and I'm not basing which system I shoot on it, or a subset of third party manual focus lenses.

That said, there are clearly some lenses for Sony that have better color character than others.


I know you say that it is your opinion, but for me, Capture One Pro is brilliant. I love the output for Nikon RAW files and the workflow is easy and intuitive.



Dec 10, 2021 at 01:00 AM
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p.3 #2 · p.3 #2 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4


RoamingScott wrote:
Capture One is a bad piece of software ...


Could you please explain why?



Dec 10, 2021 at 01:44 AM
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p.3 #3 · p.3 #3 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4


DPReview has a write-up that seems relevant to this discussion.




Dec 10, 2021 at 03:42 AM
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p.3 #4 · p.3 #4 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4


Ripolini wrote:
Could you please explain why?


Not important or relevant to this thread, since I'll never switch to it. It's preference after much evaluation of it.



Dec 10, 2021 at 07:49 AM
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p.3 #5 · p.3 #5 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4


Confirmed, Nikon can take photos of cats just as well as Sony

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51740923359_be57883442_4k.jpg



Dec 11, 2021 at 05:42 PM
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p.3 #6 · p.3 #6 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4


That bokeh on the 85 is actually pretty good.
RoamingScott wrote:

Confirmed, Nikon can take photos of cats just as well as Sony

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51740923359_be57883442_4k.jpg





Dec 11, 2021 at 06:06 PM
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p.3 #7 · p.3 #7 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4


Agree. Looks to better than the FE 85 by all accounts.

JadedWriter wrote:
That bokeh on the 85 is actually pretty good.





Dec 11, 2021 at 06:08 PM
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p.3 #8 · p.3 #8 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4


I guess the Nikon lenses are longer for an actual reason.
RoamingScott wrote:
Agree. Looks to better than the FE 85 by all accounts.






Dec 11, 2021 at 06:23 PM
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p.3 #9 · p.3 #9 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4


A few thoughts after my first day with the camera...

(caveat: i only have 50/85 primes, which are lenses not typical for me, so my normal shooting/use cases have to wait a bit)



Things I immediately like:

- The front Fn1 and Fn2 buttons. Most of the functions that I put on a custom button on Sony required using my shutter finger. Nikon's method allows me to do some neat things, like put Spot Metering on Fn1 and AE Hold on AF-ON, allowing me to use 3 different fingers to quickly spot meter, grab the exposure I'm happy with, and quickly compose after, all without shuffling my hand around. Very, very cool!

- Top screen. I had missed this from my Fuji X-H1 days, much prefer this part of the camera to be used for a screen vs exposure dial.

- Menus. Very easy to understand and find what I'm looking for. Also very straightforward to reprogram the buttons.

- EVF (actual viewing). Although worse quality than the Sony, I can see more of it without feeling like I'm cramming my eyeball into it. I shot the R3 long enough to be comfortable with this resolution/refresh rate.

- NEF files. Colors are much easier to play with in post than Sony, in that they need far less massaging. The starting point is much closer to the endpoint.

- Some really cool quality of life features, like switching eyes easily when using EyeAF, or how the camera can remember AF points by orientation (that is DOPE).

- Shutter is very nicely dampened and is nice and quiet (I only shoot mechanical shutter)

- Firmware updates via SD card, much cleaner/easier implementation than Sony's tethered method.

- I like that you can punch into the frame with the + button in AF-C mode (even though it disables AF-C after first focus acquisition. Sony doesn't support this at all, so something is better than nothing.



Things I immediately dislike:

- Dpad instead of scrolling wheel. Sony has the much better implementation here, and it makes things like zooming into a photo or zipping through the photo library much faster.

- Buttons all feel squishy. This reminds me a lot of my Fujis...not a single button has satisfyingly firm feedback.

- Everything that tightens or loosens turns the "wrong" way. Why on earth do the backcaps of Nikon lenses turn the wrong way?! WHY?!

- Battery life is disappointing (but that was expected). Sony will spoil you here.

- AF-C in auto-area (wide) mode. I'll have to continue to play with this, but EyeAF stinks so far, and once you focus on something in area, the camera REALLY doesn't like letting go of it. You'd think the cam would weight the center of the frame more heavily in area, but quite often it's grabbing on to something in the edge of the frame (foreground/background) and refuses to let go of it as I try to recompose and force it to shift focus. Again...Sony leads the industry, and even the R4 will spoil you. It's like the camera can read your mind 90% of the time.

- No dedicated AE-L button. This feels like a big oversight, and I don't like that I had to repurpose a button to pull this off.


If you have any feedback or if you see me doing something obviously wrong, much appreciated. My main feeling is that the Nikon in general feels like it was made by people that understand photography and the needs of a photographer better than Sony.

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Dec 12, 2021 at 12:26 PM
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p.3 #10 · p.3 #10 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4


That about sums it up


Dec 12, 2021 at 12:29 PM
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p.3 #11 · p.3 #11 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4


saaketham wrote:
Then the upcoming 24-120 seems ideal.
I briefly used it at a demo event a few weeks ago in Indianapolis and it was light and quite compact.


Just realized today this lens won't have OIS/VR. That's a major bummer...I've gotten some killer shots handheld with the Sony 24-105 because of the OIS.



Dec 12, 2021 at 12:43 PM
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p.3 #12 · p.3 #12 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4


You can set up the Z cameras to use the back and front scroll wheels during playback. Go to custom setting f5 (Customize command dials). Set the “Menus and Playback” option to ON.


Dec 12, 2021 at 02:03 PM
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p.3 #13 · p.3 #13 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4


RoamingScott wrote:
Just realized today this lens won't have OIS/VR. That's a major bummer...I've gotten some killer shots handheld with the Sony 24-105 because of the OIS.


depending on what you are taking image off i can say that about my Z6 using my 24-70/4 which lacks onboard VR.



Dec 12, 2021 at 02:06 PM
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p.3 #14 · p.3 #14 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4


Perfect. I noticed that scrolling them kicked me back out to shooting mode. Thanks!

Shotokan wrote:
You can set up the Z cameras to use the back and front scroll wheels during playback. Go to custom setting f5 (Customize command dials). Set the “Menus and Playback” option to ON.




Dec 12, 2021 at 02:06 PM
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p.3 #15 · p.3 #15 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4


Thinking about shots I’ve done with the Sony 24-105 that has OIS. Easy to take handheld shots without ND when needed.

http://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48480777942_dcab82fad2_4k.jpg


sjms wrote:
depending on what you are taking image off i can say that about my Z6 using my 24-70/4 which lacks onboard VR.




Dec 12, 2021 at 02:10 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
Perfect. I noticed that scrolling them kicked me back out to shooting mode. Thanks!


Also, FWIW I assigned one of my function buttons to zoom so that I can easily check critical sharpness both as I’m taking the picture and as I’m reviewing images.



Dec 12, 2021 at 02:20 PM
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p.3 #17 · p.3 #17 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4


yep though only done with a Z6. in addition i am apt to use higher iso under more trying conditions.












Dec 12, 2021 at 02:41 PM
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p.3 #18 · p.3 #18 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4


I’ve seen a few YouTubers suggest this but…why? The plus button does this in both shooting and playback modes. I’m probably missing something.

Shotokan wrote:
Also, FWIW I assigned one of my function buttons to zoom so that I can easily check critical sharpness both as I’m taking the picture and as I’m reviewing images.




Dec 12, 2021 at 03:11 PM
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p.3 #19 · p.3 #19 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4




RoamingScott wrote:
Just realized today this lens won't have OIS/VR. That's a major bummer...I've gotten some killer shots handheld with the Sony 24-105 because of the OIS.


Why does it matter? You get 5 axis stabilization from IBIS in Nikon Z bodies. I think with Sony you get just 3 axis when the lens doesn't have built in stabilization?



Dec 12, 2021 at 03:50 PM
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p.3 #20 · p.3 #20 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4


A couple of comments as someone who used to own an a7rIV and now shoot a Z7II:
- one major reason why the Nikon lenses are longer is the control of focus breathing which helps with video, focus stacking and with super wides shot a short distances. The Nikon lenses are actually wider,
- the best Nikon colors come with C1 Pro Prostandard profiles. Much better than LR, especially when you start to apply curves to your image,
- IBIS works amazingly well on the Z7II, you’ll be fine with the 24-120 and the lack of VR will contribute to its excellence image quality. Adding VR is a huge constraint for the design of a lens

Cheers,
Bernard



Dec 12, 2021 at 04:12 PM
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