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p.17 #1 · p.17 #1 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

patotts wrote:
Nice set, Scott. I think many of us who "grew up" on Nikon back in the SLR and DSLR times are really rooting for Nikon to make a huge comeback. I love the files they produce and the handling of their gear. If there is ever a Z7iii with the AF and operational speed of the Z9 but the size/weight of a Z7 + articulating screen, I'd seriously consider picking one up.

Personally I'm hoping for a Z8. (And maybe a Z80 combo)

I'd rather have the Nikon pro bodies than the Nikon prosumer bodies. But the Z7II will do for now.

Feb 08, 2022 at 10:19 AM

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p.17 #2 · p.17 #2 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

patotts wrote:
Nice set, Scott. I think many of us who "grew up" on Nikon back in the SLR and DSLR times are really rooting for Nikon to make a huge comeback. I love the files they produce and the handling of their gear. If there is ever a Z7iii with the AF and operational speed of the Z9 but the size/weight of a Z7 + articulating screen, I'd seriously consider picking one up.

I too would like an articulating screen. I'd never buy an A1 simply because of lack of vari-tilt on the LCD. I'd rather have the 3 way vari-tilt of the Z9 than flippy, but I'd take flippy over the A1/Z6/Z7 style.

Feb 08, 2022 at 10:33 AM

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p.17 #3 · p.17 #3 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

@RoamingScott

Since you mentioned several times in this thread that the Nikon focus stacking (focus shift) was a factor in Nikon's favour, I'm wondering if you have tried it yet and what your thoughts are on Nikon's implementation.

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Rory

Feb 23, 2022 at 04:08 PM

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p.17 #4 · p.17 #4 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

Hillrg` wrote:
@RoamingScott@

Since you mentioned several times in this thread that the Nikon focus stacking (focus shift) was a factor in Nikon's favour, I'm wondering if you have tried it yet and what your thoughts are on Nikon's implementation.

Cheers
Rory

Haven't yet had a chance to try it, it's something I'd typically use for landscape. I've read that Nikon implementation is pretty weak compared to Fujis, and even worse than manually doing it with Sony's remote. I guess we'll see.

Feb 23, 2022 at 04:09 PM

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p.17 #5 · p.17 #5 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

RoamingScott wrote:
Haven't yet had a chance to try it, it's something I'd typically use for landscape. I've read that Nikon implementation is pretty weak compared to Fujis, and even worse than manually doing it with Sony's remote. I guess we'll see.

I would agree with that. Okay for landscapes. I have not used Fujis, but the Olympus one is excellent. When you try it on something like a leaf or flower, one tip I have is to select a number of exposures like 10 and execute. The camera will stick to the focus of the last exposure, so you can trigger the focus shift again if you have not worked your way through the subject. It is a shame that Nikon does not show the stack progress on the LCD.

Feb 23, 2022 at 04:14 PM

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Hillrg` wrote:
I would agree with that. Okay for landscapes. I have not used Fujis, but the Olympus one is excellent. When you try it on something like a leaf or flower, one tip I have is to select a number of exposures like 10 and execute. The camera will stick to the focus of the last exposure, so you can trigger the focus shift again if you have not worked your way through the subject. It is a shame that Nikon does not show the stack progress on the LCD.

This seemed like a good starting point, heading to the mountains in a few weeks, hoping to try for the first time out there.

Feb 23, 2022 at 05:30 PM

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RoamingScott wrote:
This seemed like a good starting point, heading to the mountains in a few weeks, hoping to try for the first time out there.

Landscapes, where you are going to infinity, are pretty easy. Have fun!

Feb 23, 2022 at 05:35 PM

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p.17 #8 · p.17 #8 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

Have now read through this entire thread with great interest. I’ve been a long time Canon and most recently a Sony Alpha user with multiple bodies, including an Alpha 1, and many GM/G lenses from 14mm to 600mm. I also have used Fuji systems as well and I recently decided that I wanted to see what the Nikon Z9 had to offer and learn more and expand my exposure. I now own one. The back and forth here is interesting and it’s hard to understand why some are so hostile if you don’t use what they have chosen to use or buy into. Also some of the statements are nice hyperbolely but not really true. For instance you can’t adapt anything to Nikon if you consider AF speed and accuracy a required capability. Especially for any applications with moving subjects. In reality only native lens are viable.

This interest accelerated when my pre-ordered Z9 showed up months before I thought it would. So I needed some lenses to put it to work. Problem was I obviously couldn’t get my hands on the Z 24-120/4 S and Z 100-400/4.5-5.6. Luckily I found a mint used Z 24-70/2.8 S and Z 50/1.8 S to start with but looking at the system and reading this thread there are many additional things I want to consider. My main focus for the Nikon is for BIF. The size/weight are not a real issue since I use battery grips on all my Sonys and Canons I have used for the same thing. So I’ve got more work to do it would appear.

Feb 27, 2022 at 07:41 PM

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swldstn wrote:
Have now read through this entire thread with great interest. I’ve been a long time Canon and most recently a Sony Alpha user with multiple bodies, including an Alpha 1, and many GM/G lenses from 14mm to 600mm. I also have used Fuji systems as well and I recently decided that I wanted to see what the Nikon Z9 had to offer and learn more and expand my exposure. I now own one. The back and forth here is interesting and it’s hard to understand why some are so hostile if you don’t use what they have chosen to use...Show more →

Steve, while I haven't used the Z9...if BIF is your goal and you're heavily invested in Sony with the A1 and 600/4, you're firmly in the "grass is greener" zone. You already have the best BIF kit on planet earth. There are plenty of impressions from the FM resident BIF experts who have pitted the A1 and Z9 against each other that say as much.

Feb 28, 2022 at 08:09 AM

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p.17 #10 · p.17 #10 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

Hillrg` wrote:
@RoamingScott@

Since you mentioned several times in this thread that the Nikon focus stacking (focus shift) was a factor in Nikon's favour, I'm wondering if you have tried it yet and what your thoughts are on Nikon's implementation.

Cheers
Rory

I don't have any reference point from other brands to compare to, but I've used it a few times for landscape shots and it's pretty straightforward and easy to use. Knowing the right combo of # of shots and step width takes some practice, but as someone else mentioned it saves your final focus point so it's easy to "resume" where you left off if you fall short. The in-camera focus peaking image it creates is very handy to check your work.

Feb 28, 2022 at 11:24 AM

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p.17 #11 · p.17 #11 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

RoamingScott wrote:
Steve, while I haven't used the Z9...if BIF is your goal and you're heavily invested in Sony with the A1 and 600/4, you're firmly in the "grass is greener" zone. You already have the best BIF kit on planet earth. There are plenty of impressions from the FM resident BIF experts who have pitted the A1 and Z9 against each other that say as much.

I don’t own or have access to the 600/4 GM. I’m referring to the 200-600 G that I have. I agree I have the A1 and most likely I will stay Sony but wanted to see what the Z9 had to offer. Only had a day or two to work with it so it’s impossible to make any conclusions about it yet. Only have 14 NEF files of my backyard to play with so far.

I have not found the articles your referring to that clearly state the A1 is known to be better than the Z9 for BIF. If you have a link to any please share them. All I’ve read is the Nikonians prefer the Z9, the Canonites prefer the R5/R3 and prior Sony users prefer the A1.

Feb 28, 2022 at 11:55 AM

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p.17 #12 · p.17 #12 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

There's a lot of chin wagging in the Z9 vs A1 thread. I honestly don't view either camera as an "I'm going to dump this system to go shoot on that system" camera if you've already invested in either of them. I'm darn near equally invested in both, just no A1 and since I really didn't enjoy Sony and actually stopped shooting Sony heavily when I got a Z6II I ended up just getting a Z9 because I wanted something I enjoyed shooting on. If I enjoyed Sony enough I'd get an A1. That's basically how that whole discussion breaks down for me. "Shoot what you enjoy," but since this is FredMiranda you can't reduce photography to this four word statement you wind up with nothing but insulting brand diatribes like said Z9 vs A1 thread.
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I don’t own or have access to the 600/4 GM. I’m referring to the 200-600 G that I have. I agree I have the A1 and most likely I will stay Sony but wanted to see what the Z9 had to offer. Only had a day or two to work with it so it’s impossible to make any conclusions about it yet. Only have 14 NEF files of my backyard to play with so far.

I have not found the articles your referring to that clearly state the A1 is known to be better than the Z9 for BIF. If you...Show more →

Feb 28, 2022 at 01:35 PM

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swldstn wrote:
I don’t own or have access to the 600/4 GM. I’m referring to the 200-600 G that I have. I agree I have the A1 and most likely I will stay Sony but wanted to see what the Z9 had to offer. Only had a day or two to work with it so it’s impossible to make any conclusions about it yet. Only have 14 NEF files of my backyard to play with so far.

I have not found the articles your referring to that clearly state the A1 is known to be better than the Z9 for BIF. If you...Show more →

I'm not talking about articles, I'm talking about posted impressions here on FM from people that have shot both. The Z9 struggles with busy backgrounds where the A1 shines. Otherwise they are largely similar for BIF, but the A1 is better.

That said, I think Z glass is considerably better than even GM glass right now for the new Nikon lenses. I'm looking forward to Nikon's 200-600, I think it will be a nice step up from the Sony if Nikon continues down this path of prioritizing optical performance.

Feb 28, 2022 at 02:30 PM

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RoamingScott wrote:
I'm not talking about articles, I'm talking about posted impressions here on FM from people that have shot both. The Z9 struggles with busy backgrounds where the A1 shines. Otherwise they are largely similar for BIF, but the A1 is better.

That said, I think Z glass is considerably better than even GM glass right now for the new Nikon lenses. I'm looking forward to Nikon's 200-600, I think it will be a nice step up from the Sony if Nikon continues down this path of prioritizing optical performance.

I’ve seen the Z 200-600 talked about but I haven’t seen any info on it’s aperture or it’s cost target. I had not seen any of this info on the Sony either before it was announced but it has been a very useful lense for me. I know you have the Z 100-400. How would you compare it to the Sony GM version? If it’s better what do you like more abought it? Thank you for your time.

Feb 28, 2022 at 03:35 PM

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swldstn wrote:
I’ve seen the Z 200-600 talked about but I haven’t seen any info on it’s aperture or it’s cost target. I had not seen any of this info on the Sony either before it was announced but it has been a very useful lense for me. I know you have the Z 100-400. How would you compare it to the Sony GM version? If it’s better what do you like more abought it? Thank you for your time.

I've posted those thoughts in this very thread, along with the Z 100-400 image thread with lots and lots of examples

Feb 28, 2022 at 03:42 PM

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JadedWriter wrote:
There's a lot of chin wagging in the Z9 vs A1 thread. I honestly don't view either camera as an "I'm going to dump this system to go shoot on that system" camera if you've already invested in either of them. I'm darn near equally invested in both, just no A1 and since I really didn't enjoy Sony and actually stopped shooting Sony heavily when I got a Z6II I ended up just getting a Z9 because I wanted something I enjoyed shooting on. If I enjoyed Sony enough I'd get an A1. That's basically how that whole discussion breaks...Show more →

Thank you. I’ve been in bed with Sony and mirrorless long before Nikon and Canon showed they were going to be serious about it and during that time Sony continued to improve so I stayed there. I shot Canon for DSLRs so I have also tried out their mirrorless entries now. I had no had a good reason to consider Nikon till now but consider it I will. I’m not a fanboy of any brand. Professionally I’m an integrated circuit designer with experience designing and building processors, GPU, and even CCD sensors so I’m as much captured by the technology as the fun of capturing images. Will see how this Nikon experience goes.

Feb 28, 2022 at 03:49 PM

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p.17 #17 · p.17 #17 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

I enjoy my Z9, but my opinion isn't worth anything on this forum since I'm not a dedicated birder. You can look at my Flickr and posts on here and just realize I shoot "everything."
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Thank you. I’ve been in bed with Sony and mirrorless long before Nikon and Canon showed they were going to be serious about it and during that time Sony continued to improve so I stayed there. I shot Canon for DSLRs so I have also tried out their mirrorless entries now. I had no had a good reason to consider Nikon till now but consider it I will. I’m not a fanboy of any brand. Professionally I’m an integrated circuit designer with experience designing and building processors, GPU, and even CCD sensors so I’m as much captured by the technology...Show more →

Feb 28, 2022 at 03:56 PM

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JadedWriter wrote:
I enjoy my Z9, but my opinion isn't worth anything on this forum since I'm not a dedicated birder. You can look at my Flickr and posts on here and just realize I shoot "everything."

I shoot everything as well. Hoping my free time allows me to get out to shoot birds more often though. Take care.

Feb 28, 2022 at 04:03 PM

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p.17 #19 · p.17 #19 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

RoamingScott wrote:
I've posted those thoughts in this very thread, along with the Z 100-400 image thread with lots and lots of examples

Thank you. Found the discussion and images post.
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1725660

Steve

Feb 28, 2022 at 06:10 PM

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p.17 #20 · p.17 #20 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

Nikon Z is a capable enough system these days, especially with the Z9. You should be fine with it. I actually like (my bank account doesn't) how the Z9 is making me want to reinvest into Nikon F mount a little bit more.
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Thank you. Found the discussion and images post.
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1725660

Steve

Feb 28, 2022 at 06:29 PM

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