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Archive 2021 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

RoamingScott wrote:
I can see the 24-200 being more appealing on the Z6, but I'd rather have F4 at 120mm and crop as needed on the Z7ii. You start to lose light on this lens at 35mm, and you're already down to f/6 by 70mm.

Definitely could get great shots midday, though, in one convenient lens.

It'll interesting to hear your opinion once you put Z-system together.
Anyway, welcome to the Nikon camp!

Dec 09, 2021 at 01:03 PM

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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

Looks are so subjective though. I do agree that some of the Nikon z lenses are bigger than they should be.
Not sure why the 70-200 z is longer than the non Z version, when Sony's is shorter and lighter than v1.
I don't have much gear - trying my best not to be a lens hoarder, but here're some z lenses and the 35 GM.
Missing my 200-600 which has the lens coat on.
I like both Nikon and Sony lenses .. but the Nikon z's seem to get dust on the body faster for some reason.

Dec 09, 2021 at 01:15 PM

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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

That 70-200 is absurd, lol.


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Dec 09, 2021 at 01:16 PM

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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

I think you will be pleased with the addition of a Nikon body. When you nail a high MP landscape shot at iso64 with nikon colors, it's so good.

Dec 09, 2021 at 01:18 PM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

RoamingScott wrote:
That 70-200 is absurd, lol.

Agreed, the Sony v2 seems very tempting.

But the results are good, so I have resisted the temptation to sell it yet.

Dec 09, 2021 at 01:19 PM

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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

Good point on the maximum aperture for the 24-200! Ricci recommended the 24-120 f4 over the 24-70 or 24-200 for photographers who don't already have one of those lenses.

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Dec 09, 2021 at 01:38 PM

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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

These size comparisons are interesting. I think that Sony just found a good compromise recipe that satisfies its customers with software compensation. For the longest time photographers wanted optically correct lenses, and then I guess the Sigma Art line proved maybe too big and optically correct lenses is not ideal. My sigma 85 dg dn is high quality, smaller, but certainly relies on software to fix the heavy pincushion distortion.

I think adding a ftz with a Nikon 70-200 f4 to your 24-120 Z lens would be a good pairing, but it is a bit of overlap though.

Dec 09, 2021 at 01:39 PM

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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

https://cameradecision.com/lenses/images/Nikon-Nikkor-Z-70-200-F2.8-VR-S-vs-Panasonic-Lumix-S-Pro-70-200-F2.8-O.I.S.-vs-Sony-FE-70-200mm-F2.8-GM-OSS-II-vs-Canon-RF-70-200mm-F2.8L-IS-USM-1.jpg

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Dec 09, 2021 at 01:56 PM

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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

Ludvig83 wrote:
I think adding a ftz with a Nikon 70-200 f4 to your 24-120 Z lens would be a good pairing, but it is a bit of overlap though.

That's what the 100-400 is for

I haven't found a better combo than the 24-105/100-400 and it's minimal overlap and plenty of light gathering for hiking on the run.

Dec 09, 2021 at 01:59 PM

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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

As absurd as this thing is it's replaced my D850 and FL combo as my head shot combo.
RoamingScott wrote:

That 70-200 is absurd, lol.


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Dec 09, 2021 at 02:39 PM

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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

RoamingScott wrote:
Several advantages to the Z7ii over the R4 for my particular shooting:

-Better DR/lower noise (not a huge advantage, but it's there)
-Sony RAW files take SO much editing, NEFs not as much
-Astro shooting with AF is better on Nikon
-Nikon has focus stacking built into the body
-Nikon has better long exposure controls

I use the 24-105G as my default travel lens, to the point of sometimes taking JUST that lens on trips into the mountains. If I can get a system that can gain me some neat features, and give me a travel lens that has MORE reach/bokeh at the long end, it's...Show more →

Fair enough! Seems like you've got a pretty well thought out scenario there, as opposed to just the "grass is greener on the other side" syndrome that so many forum swappers get into. I agree with you about Sony RAW files, the default colors just look wrong to me and take a lot of fiddling to get right (owned both an RX100 and A6000 back in the day).

The 24-120 F was a very nice portrait lens at 120/4 even if it wasn't very sharp outside the central region past 85mm even stoppped down. I did enjoy the sharpness of it from 24-60 in the f/4-f/8 region on 45mp. So again hopefully the Z-mount will up the game. My only gripes about the 24-200 Z are the limited aperture and purple fringing in the corners (though easily corrected in post).

Dec 09, 2021 at 02:52 PM

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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

PB_James wrote:
Fair enough! Seems like you've got a pretty well thought out scenario there, as opposed to just the "grass is greener on the other side" syndrome that so many forum swappers get into.

There are some definite drawbacks to Nikon for me, which I won't get into not having used the camera myself, since that's not really fair...everything is push and pull...no perfect camera. The best we can do is get close enough. Next year's good enough might be something totally different.

Call me the Arbitrage of landscape

Dec 09, 2021 at 02:57 PM

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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

You can also adapt any lens to the Z mount body if you find current lineup lacking anything.

Dec 09, 2021 at 03:07 PM

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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

There was a time where we were Fuji people...then we weren't. Time and preferences change.
RoamingScott wrote:
There are some definite drawbacks to Nikon for me, which I won't get into not having used the camera myself, since that's not really fair...everything is push and pull...no perfect camera. The best we can do is get close enough. Next year's good enough might be something totally different.

Call me the Arbitrage of landscape

Dec 09, 2021 at 03:09 PM

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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

PB_James wrote:
.....I agree with you about Sony RAW files, the default colors just look wrong to me and take a lot of fiddling to get right (owned both an RX100 and A6000 back in the day).

I had a Nikon Z7 with the Z24S and Z50S lenses. I switched from a Sony A7RII with three Zeiss Loxia lenses, planning to go "one system" and adapt the 500PF to the Z7.
The Sony A7RII indeed always involved a lot of needless work in raw to get a balanced look, due to blocked shadows and blown skies in higher contrast, or oversaturation in more subdued outside lighting. Colors were nice and punchy, but lacked finesse, and the same goes for tonality: nice and contrasty but lacking the fine gradations.
Still I could not get along with the Nikon colors either, just a bit too austere for me, lacking the luscious warmth of the Sony colors.

So I switched back, re-bought the Loxia 25, added the 35GM, and got the Sony A7RIV. To me that is the best body (IQ wise) that I have yet owned, I don't feel it involves more work in raw post processing than the Z7 at all, DR is similar with a slight edge to the 64 iso on the Z7, but all I do with the A7RIV is set exposure, highlights and shadows and that's it.

It all shows the very subjective nature of what good colors are, although I admit that it took the A7RIV to get beyond the fiddling with the A7RII files. I simply prefer Sony color rendering, 6 months with the Z7 did not get that out of my system. If you want to do a fair comparison though, start with the A7RIV, anything before that and you sell Sony short.

Dec 09, 2021 at 03:14 PM

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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

ChrisMak wrote:
Still I could not get along with the Nikon colors either, just a bit too austere for me, lacking the luscious warmth of the Sony colors.

Subjective indeed, as "luscious warmth" would never enter my mind to describe Sony RAW colors. I find them far too washed out, red, and ashy. You can make a Sony RAW file look like anything (I managed to make A7R4 and R5 RAW files look 99.9% identical), but it's a lot of damn work.

Dec 09, 2021 at 03:19 PM

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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

RoamingScott wrote:
Subjective indeed, as "luscious warmth" would never enter my mind to describe Sony RAW colors. I find them far too washed out, red, and ashy. You can make a Sony RAW file look like anything (I managed to make A7R4 and R5 RAW files look 99.9% identical), but it's a lot of damn work.

You have to also take the lenses into account. The early generic Sony lenses did not excell at color. The Loxia lenses are a good match with the Sony bodies. I tried my Loxia lenses on the Z7 with a Schoten adapter, that gave me a good opportunity to compare. The latest 35GM lens has surprised me in a good way.
And don't forget the raw converter. Adobe does not work well with Sony, Capture one is a better choice for Sony users.

Dec 09, 2021 at 04:25 PM

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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

ChrisMak wrote:
You have to also take the lenses into account. The early generic Sony lenses did not excell at color. The Loxia lenses are a good match with the Sony bodies. I tried my Loxia lenses on the Z7 with a Schoten adapter, that gave me a good opportunity to compare. The latest 35GM lens has surprised me in a good way.
And don't forget the raw converter. Adobe does not work well with Sony, Capture one is a better choice for Sony users.

Disclaimer: my opinions

Capture One is a bad piece of software and I'm not basing which system I shoot on it, or a subset of third party manual focus lenses.

That said, there are clearly some lenses for Sony that have better color character than others.

Dec 09, 2021 at 04:34 PM

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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

The Nikon 70-200S may be longer than the Sony or Canon, but the image quality is strikingly good. I've been using the lens w/ the ZTC14x glued to a Z6ii, and have been blown away by images shot wide open.
Much like the longer than expected 20mm f1.8, Nikon has prioritized image quality over compact build. I'll take this compromise any day.

bruce

Dec 09, 2021 at 08:27 PM

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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · Comparing Z7ii to my Sony A7R4

Sony’s lens universe is unmatched. When i shifted from Sony to Nikon, it was because the lenses i needed were there with Nikon (and I don’t/can’t buy/use so many great lenses that Sony has anyway)…but i still kept a7C with me just in case…

Dec 10, 2021 at 12:51 AM

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