Home · Register · Join Upload & Sell

Moderated by: Fred Miranda
Username  

  New fredmiranda.com Mobile Site
  New Feature: SMS Notification alert
  New Feature: Buy & Sell Watchlist
  

FM Forums | Leica & Alternative Gear | Join Upload & Sell

1       2       3              26      
27
       28       29       30       end
  

New Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton in January 2022

  
 
LarsHP
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.27 #1 · p.27 #1 · New Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton in January 2022


One more image from L-camera-forum.com which demonstrates reverse field curvature (in combination with optical vignetting). To me, the right side really looks bad.







Feb 05, 2022 at 04:13 AM
KLaban
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.27 #2 · p.27 #2 · New Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton in January 2022


LarsHP wrote:
One more image from L-camera-forum.com which demonstrates reverse field curvature (in combination with optical vignetting). To me, the right side really looks bad.
https://cdn.l-camera-forum.com/uploads/monthly_2022_02/MehrdadAbedi_Qimago_1427.jpg.c36a1a243c815bbfa04fae09e75d0aa0.jpg


Indeed, I'd find that right side totally unacceptable.



Feb 05, 2022 at 06:31 AM
genji
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.27 #3 · p.27 #3 · New Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton in January 2022


LarsHP wrote:
One more image from L-camera-forum.com which demonstrates reverse field curvature (in combination with optical vignetting). To me, the right side really looks bad.
https://cdn.l-camera-forum.com/uploads/monthly_2022_02/MehrdadAbedi_Qimago_1427.jpg.c36a1a243c815bbfa04fae09e75d0aa0.jpg


Whoa! What a shocker! Has that utterly obvious reverse field curvature elicited any responses from L-camera-forum.com members?



Feb 05, 2022 at 06:43 AM
LarsHP
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.27 #4 · p.27 #4 · New Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton in January 2022


No. I think I have ruined the party over there enough, so I chose not commenting the FC yet another time. It's one of Mefty's shots, and I have already pointed out the issue to him, so not necessary to annoy him more with it.

genji wrote:
Whoa! What a shocker! Has that utterly obvious reverse field curvature elicited any responses from L-camera-forum.com members?




Feb 05, 2022 at 07:31 AM
lookert
Offline

Upload & Sell: Off
p.27 #5 · p.27 #5 · New Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton in January 2022


LarsHP wrote:
No. I think I have ruined the party over there enough, so I chose not commenting the FC yet another time. It's one of Mefty's shots, and I have already pointed out the issue to him, so not necessary to annoy him more with it.



If you pointed it out to him another time and he'd probably respond with "Actually? No, I can't or better: If there is, it is not visible to me or disturbing to my eye." yet again. :-)

That looks quite awful, might be the best demonstration of the reverse field curvature yet.




Feb 05, 2022 at 08:54 AM
Steve Spencer
Offline
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.27 #6 · p.27 #6 · New Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton in January 2022


LarsHP wrote:
One more image from L-camera-forum.com which demonstrates reverse field curvature (in combination with optical vignetting). To me, the right side really looks bad.
https://cdn.l-camera-forum.com/uploads/monthly_2022_02/MehrdadAbedi_Qimago_1427.jpg.c36a1a243c815bbfa04fae09e75d0aa0.jpg


This image has me wondering how many images could be saved by cropping to a 4 X 3 (24mm X 32mm instead of 24mm X 36mm) or even 4 X 5 (24mm X 30mm) aspect ratio. That right side is really ugly to me, but it seems like this image could likely be saved by simply cropping out the ugliness. The left side has its issues too, but I think the image would be improved a lot with a fairly simple crop.



Feb 05, 2022 at 09:05 AM
mawz
Offline
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.27 #7 · p.27 #7 · New Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton in January 2022


Steve Spencer wrote:
This image has me wondering how many images could be saved by cropping to a 4 X 3 (24mm X 32mm instead of 24mm X 36mm) or even 4 X 5 (24mm X 30mm) aspect ratio. That right side is really ugly to me, but it seems like this image could likely be saved by simply cropping out the ugliness. The left side has its issues too, but I think the image would be improved a lot with a fairly simple crop.


I agree on this one, a crop to a more square format would more than resolve this.

But what I see there is a lens that’s going to force use of 4:3 or 1:1 modes for composition, or you will have to compose with intent to crop. That performance just isn’t acceptable to me, and my standards are pretty low compared to most here in terms of performance (I’m picky about rendering though and this issue would drive me nuts)



Feb 05, 2022 at 09:09 AM
LarsHP
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.27 #8 · p.27 #8 · New Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton in January 2022


After checking the image I linked to above again, I think there may be some swing going on too: the degree of blur in the extreme left side is higher than the extreme right. In other words, the optical alignment is slightly angled horizontally, which enhances the reverse field curvature in one side and reduces it in the other.


Feb 05, 2022 at 10:00 AM
MikeEvangelist
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.27 #9 · p.27 #9 · New Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton in January 2022


LarsHP wrote:
...which demonstrates reverse field curvature (in combination with optical vignetting). To me, the right side really looks bad.


Agreed. Very funky and unpleasant.



Feb 05, 2022 at 10:13 AM
Edward Teller
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: On
p.27 #10 · p.27 #10 · New Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton in January 2022


I had initially started (accidentally) to begin posting the following to the FM Review thread for this lens. Did not intend to step on that more competent thread, so will begin again here. The below is where I initiated things in the other thread:


I've now got 160+ images from the M10-R + Nokton 50/1 at f/1, f/1.4, f/2.8, and f/5.6(occasionally)
with the same shots, mostly on a tripod, from the late version Noctilux 50/1
and also from the 50/1.4 Summilux, f/1.4 onwards. All were focused using the LCD, focus peaking, and magnification. But not sure the best way to satisfy everyone with resizing. I normally have only posted to Buy and Sell from SmugMug host, so will start with that here. Only have a couple labeled and resized before I need to go to dinner, and the rest will take forever, but it's a start.

All things considered, after looking through all these (and there are several series) at various distances, various f/stops, I'm not sure the conclusions as to which to own and which to ignore are as easy to reach as some are imagining, but maybe that's why I own so many fast Fifties. But, everyone is going to have different preferences.

All of these are going to have been taken with lens coding "off" and at standard jpg settings. Though I also have all the DNG files here as well.





























Feb 05, 2022 at 11:47 AM
 


Search in Used Dept. 

patotts
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.27 #11 · p.27 #11 · New Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton in January 2022


LarsHP wrote:
One more image from L-camera-forum.com which demonstrates reverse field curvature (in combination with optical vignetting). To me, the right side really looks bad.
https://cdn.l-camera-forum.com/uploads/monthly_2022_02/MehrdadAbedi_Qimago_1427.jpg.c36a1a243c815bbfa04fae09e75d0aa0.jpg


That right side is distracting. Once you see it, you cannot unsee it.




Feb 05, 2022 at 11:57 AM
Edward Teller
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: On
p.27 #12 · p.27 #12 · New Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton in January 2022


Second series.

























Any differences in field of view or just that, different field of view for the different lenses. Tripod did not move.



Feb 05, 2022 at 12:03 PM
LarsHP
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.27 #13 · p.27 #13 · New Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton in January 2022


Thanks for posting those. The Voigtländer is sharper, right? It appears much clearer in the focus zone.

The Noctilux f/1.0 has visible barrel distortion and more vignetting. Am I right that it has a longer real focal length?

Edward Teller wrote:
I had initially started (accidentally) to begin posting the following to the FM Review thread for this lens. Did not intend to step on that more competent thread, so will begin again here. The below is where I initiated things in the other thread:

I've now got 160+ images from the M10-R + Nokton 50/1 at f/1, f/1.4, f/2.8, and f/5.6(occasionally)
with the same shots, mostly on a tripod, from the late version Noctilux 50/1
and also from the 50/1.4 Summilux, f/1.4 onwards. All were focused using the LCD, focus peaking, and magnification. But not sure the best way to satisfy everyone
...Show more




Feb 05, 2022 at 12:09 PM
NJPhotographer
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.27 #14 · p.27 #14 · New Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton in January 2022


KLaban wrote:
Indeed, I'd find that right side totally unacceptable.


In the years of of the 50mm f/1.0 Noctilux (1976-2008), would this have been accepted as the weird but expected character of an extreme lens? I can't say for sure as I'm no expert on these lenses.



Feb 05, 2022 at 12:17 PM
rscheffler
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.27 #15 · p.27 #15 · New Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton in January 2022


Edward Teller wrote:
Second series.

Any differences in field of view or just that, different field of view for the different lenses. Tripod did not move.


Thanks for these. I'm curious what the actual focal length is of your Leica lenses? Beside the infinity symbol is usually a tiny number. For example my 50 Lux ASPH is "16" which means the actual focal length is 51.6mm. Please let us know!

Also in the second sequence the VM seems to retain higher contrast at wider apertures despite the windows at both sides of the frame. That can be a challenging situation for the 50 Lux from my experience.

BTW, I think you're OK to post these in the "official" review thread started by Fred as it's simply more useful information all in one thread. His review threads typically evolve into image threads as more members receive their copy of a given lens and share their images.



Feb 05, 2022 at 12:32 PM
Fred Miranda
Offline
Admin
Upload & Sell: On
p.27 #16 · p.27 #16 · New Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton in January 2022


Edward Teller wrote:
Second series.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Nokton-501-ASPH-vs-Noctilux-501-vs-Summilux-5014-ASPH/i-wmZgBV9/0/a9ae2322/X2/Nokton-50-1-%40-f-1-X2.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Nokton-501-ASPH-vs-Noctilux-501-vs-Summilux-5014-ASPH/i-3zbq8hj/0/528796bb/X2/Noctilux-50-1-%40-f-1-X2.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Nokton-501-ASPH-vs-Noctilux-501-vs-Summilux-5014-ASPH/i-63SNVjH/0/f6235651/X2/Nokton-50-1-%40-f-1.4-X2.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Nokton-501-ASPH-vs-Noctilux-501-vs-Summilux-5014-ASPH/i-c2THMq7/0/d375bc11/X2/Noctilux-50-1-%40-f-1.4-X2.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Nokton-501-ASPH-vs-Noctilux-501-vs-Summilux-5014-ASPH/i-8Rz4QKv/0/c9e7a24f/X2/Summilux-50-1.4-ASPH-%40-f-1.4-X2.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Nokton-501-ASPH-vs-Noctilux-501-vs-Summilux-5014-ASPH/i-s2qbhJV/0/9efe37a2/X2/Nokton-50-1-%40-f-2.8-X2.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Nokton-501-ASPH-vs-Noctilux-501-vs-Summilux-5014-ASPH/i-QTxm78t/0/66e8e9da/X2/Noctilux-50-1-%40-f-2.8-X2.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Nokton-501-ASPH-vs-Noctilux-501-vs-Summilux-5014-ASPH/i-SLgTD4z/0/c49b4725/X2/Summilux-50-1.4-ASPH-%40-f-2.8-X2.jpg

Any differences in field of view or just that, different field of view for the different lenses. Tripod did not move.


---------------------------------------------

rscheffler wrote:
Thanks for these. I'm curious what the actual focal length is of your Leica lenses? Beside the infinity symbol is usually a tiny number. For example my 50 Lux ASPH is "16" which means the actual focal length is 51.6mm. Please let us know!

Also in the second sequence the VM seems to retain higher contrast at wider apertures despite the windows at both sides of the frame. That can be a challenging situation for the 50 Lux from my experience.

BTW, I think you're OK to post these in the "official" review thread started by Fred as it's simply more useful
...Show more

Hi Edward,
As Ron wrote, you can definitely post your tests on the official review thread as well. I actually incentive member posting their own tests and would link it to the review front page.



Feb 05, 2022 at 12:44 PM
Edward Teller
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: On
p.27 #17 · p.27 #17 · New Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton in January 2022


rscheffler wrote:
Thanks for these. I'm curious what the actual focal length is of your Leica lenses? Beside the infinity symbol is usually a tiny number. For example my 50 Lux ASPH is "16" which means the actual focal length is 51.6mm. Please let us know!

Also in the second sequence the VM seems to retain higher contrast at wider apertures despite the windows at both sides of the frame. That can be a challenging situation for the 50 Lux from my experience.

BTW, I think you're OK to post these in the "official" review thread started by Fred as it's simply more useful
...Show more

I'd forgotten about the number next to the infinity symbol, if I ever knew that. For the Summilux it's 14. For the Noctilux, I'm not sure what is going on. There is no number, but there is a symbol of two small white rectangles one on top of the other.
But the focal lengths are definitely different between the three lenses. During one of the lens changes, one time, in one of those series, the tripod was bumped a very small amount, but nothing changed for the rest of them. There are more series coming, which might be more definitive. It takes me a while to label them, slowly to make sure they are all labeled correctly.

I'll let others decide on the sharpness and contrast between the Nokton and the Noctilux, but they are not the same



Feb 05, 2022 at 12:58 PM
RexGig0
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.27 #18 · p.27 #18 · New Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton in January 2022


I definitely see that the Nokton 50mm f/1.0 is a lens that must be used with great care, in order to mitigate its weaknesses. The image of the couple, at the corner of that balcony or terrace, for example, must be heavily cropped, in order to be salvaged, so, should have been shot differently, if the circumstances had allowed.

There seem to be no really good, low-distortion, faster-than-f/2 aperture, flat-field, M-mount 50mm lenses. (Actually, that is not just an M-mount problem.)

Of course, that is why I bought a flat-field 35mm M-mount lens, the Zeiss Distagon 1,4/35mm ZM. I seem to “see” landscapes and cityscapes at 35mm, and at 85mm to 90mm, so do not really need a flat-field 50mm. I may, yet, acquire one of these Nocti-Nokt fifties.



Edited on Feb 05, 2022 at 01:10 PM · View previous versions



Feb 05, 2022 at 01:01 PM
Edward Teller
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: On
p.27 #19 · p.27 #19 · New Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton in January 2022


Fred Miranda wrote:
---------------------------------------------

Hi Edward,
As Ron wrote, you can definitely post your tests on the official review thread as well. I actually incentive member posting their own tests and would link it to the review front page.


Thanks. First time I've done this here, didn't want to crash the official party, as these are not as rigorous as yours are in a lot of ways. I'll finish it up here then post them over there so they stay more or less together.




Feb 05, 2022 at 01:03 PM
Edward Teller
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: On
p.27 #20 · p.27 #20 · New Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton in January 2022


























Feb 05, 2022 at 01:09 PM
1       2       3              26      
27
       28       29       30       end






FM Forums | Leica & Alternative Gear | Join Upload & Sell

1       2       3              26      
27
       28       29       30       end
    
 

You are not logged in. Login or Register

Username      Reset password