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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Once the Z9 becomes widely available (say late 2022), what do you think would be the resale value of a D6?

I have been fighting to scratch the itch to own a D6/D5 for a while now, and now when I see the Z9 so superior in many aspects the D6/D5 are famous for (except low light performance I guess), I cannot make up my mind how much is a fair price for a D6/D5 if we assume the Z9 is available at $5500.

I see people still asking $4k-$5k for a D5/D6 and I cannot rationalize it (against $5,500) unless of course, one needs it right now, for a job next week or so.

Dec 02, 2021 at 09:05 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Once the Z9 becomes widely available (say late 2022), what do you think would be the resale value of a D6?

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I have been fighting to scratch the itch to own a D6/D5 for a while now, and now when I see the Z9 so superior in many aspects the D6/D5 are famous for (except low light performance I guess), I cannot make up my mind how much is a fair price for a D6/D5 if we assume the Z9 is available at $5500.

I see people still asking $4k-$5k for a D5/D6 and I cannot rationalize it (against $5,500) unless of course, one needs it right now, for a job next week or so.

That is a tough call right now as to how low the D6 prices will go. I just couldn't up and sell the D6 in the middle of last summer and be without a capable sports camera through the fall and into winter while waiting on the Z9 to arrive.

Those of us who own the D6 will take a huge in the wallet hit if we decide to upgrade to the Z9.

I was quoted $3600 for my D6 from the dealer I ordered the Z9 from...a camera I have not even owned 6 months.

Prices will be very affordable for those looking to upgrade from a D4s or D5 to the D6 but if the Z9 performs as advertised, many pro sports photographers will make the move to mirrorless and the market may be saturated with DSLR's.

I could be wrong?

Dec 02, 2021 at 10:07 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Once the Z9 becomes widely available (say late 2022), what do you think would be the resale value of a D6?

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Dec 02, 2021 at 10:16 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Once the Z9 becomes widely available (say late 2022), what do you think would be the resale value of a D6?

Unfortunately, for the people that own the D5/D6, the value now, thanks to the Z9 price, isn't worth much more then $3k maybe $4k TOPS. People may still pay $4k+ but like you said, it's isn't smart to pay that for them when the Z9 is sitting there at $5500

Dec 02, 2021 at 10:23 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Once the Z9 becomes widely available (say late 2022), what do you think would be the resale value of a D6?

A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush. If a person is questioning whether they need a D5 or D6 enough to pay going prices, clearly they don't need one.

I recently sold my D6 for less than I'd like to have, but I'm so busy at work I knew I wouldn't get much use out of it and why let it sit until I did when I could sell it, reinvest the funds and hopefully make up the difference. The buyer got a like new D6 they could use starting that day and I've already made up the difference. That's a win win.

If I thought I wanted a D5 or D6 and thought it might be many months before I'd receive the Z9, what's to question? Buy one and get out there. They are a thrill to use in situations where they shine.

Dec 02, 2021 at 11:38 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Once the Z9 becomes widely available (say late 2022), what do you think would be the resale value of a D6?

In my part of the world it is typical for a product to lose about 1/3 of its new price in resale value the moment you take it out of the shop. I find resale values of 40%-50% of the original price typical after a few years of use (even when the product has no apparent signs of use). I don't normally sell anything so quickly as the cost of use would be too high.

If you want to sell the D6 you need to wait to find someone who appreciates the advantages of the D6 (no flickering EVF in artificial lights when viewing (of course, there is flicker when shooting)), sensor optimized for low light, and can use a greater range of F-mount lenses with full support of features. Currently people just assume the Z9 will be perfect and a D6 has no value, but at least to me the latter has a great deal of value due to the way EVF's work in flickering artificial lights. I get it that people who shoot high fps a lot will prefer Z9 as in such situations the EVF will be nicer than the DSLR viewfinder. I prefer to view and then decide on the moment of capture, ideally as few as possible so I end up with fewer images to choose from. I also find 45MP images a pain to store and edit especially when shooting many images from an event (I'd prefer 1 second as the maximum wait time for any interactive operation when editing, and this isn't realized, e.g. transferring the image to Photoshop, or even just running the smart sharpen operation) although the image quality at low to medium ISO is fantastic (in my case files from the D850). I mostly use 45 MP for landscape, macro, architecture and such subjects and 20-24 MP for images of people. For wildlife I can use either depending on the situation and conditions.

Anyway, there is always a compromise involved in a design of a product and there will be different people preferring different products and technologies. I'm not personally concerned about the resale value of the D6 since I really like the camera and intend to keep it, irrespective of what happens with the Z9. One always needs backup cameras in any case, even if preferring the new model.

Dec 03, 2021 at 02:27 AM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Once the Z9 becomes widely available (say late 2022), what do you think would be the resale value of a D6?

Danrdz10103 wrote:
I see people still asking $4k-$5k for a D5/D6 and I cannot rationalize it (against $5,500) unless of course, one needs it right now, for a job next week or so.

I think the key here is what they are asking is different from what they are getting for it (especially for the D5, unless it has seen very few clicks). In the case of the D6, maybe those prices are realistic. Only a few have been made so there is not a large used market for the D6.

Dec 03, 2021 at 02:35 AM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Once the Z9 becomes widely available (say late 2022), what do you think would be the resale value of a D6?

My D5 is going nowhere. I replaced the first shutter at just about 950K and have about 500K on the replacement shutter. I shoot in crappy light about 95% of the time to make a living and the D5 does an amazing job. I ordered a Z9 but will most likely pass on it as I really don’t think it will match the high ISO performance and I don’t need or want another 45MP monster. My D850 lives in the studio and that’s not going anywhere either. I’d be more interested in a 24-30 MP pro mirrorless body to eventually replace the D5. That may be another D5 or D6 or possibly an R3 as I also own an R5 and a bunch of Canon glass. Right now, I have the tools I need.

Dec 03, 2021 at 06:11 AM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Once the Z9 becomes widely available (say late 2022), what do you think would be the resale value of a D6?

The D6 is an incredible camera and I may just stick with it.

I haven't even held, taken test shots to review or photographed a game with the the Z9 so, who knows, I may not even like the viewfinder or the ISO 6400-12,800 performance is not what I am used to with the D6?

Too many unknowns to make a perfectly sound business decision at this time.

I will need to rent a Z9 for a couple of days and do my own tests, on the court, before making any changes to my pre-order status.

Dec 03, 2021 at 06:58 AM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Once the Z9 becomes widely available (say late 2022), what do you think would be the resale value of a D6?

Not quite sure what I will do with my D6 when I get my Z9 yet.
Before selling it, I definitely want to compare D6 at high iso vs Z9 at native resolution and when
downsize to D6 20MP first. If Z9 get close to D6, say withing 2/3 stop downsizing, I
probably will get rid off D6.
Talking to my dealer, he is expecting a whole bunch of D5 and D6 to flood 2nd hand market as soon
as Z9 hits the market.
I might end up keeping D6 anyhow but if 600/4S turns out to be much lighter than 600/4e FL (say 3kg or less and a little over 3kg with built in TC), I will most likely get that and sell 600/4e FL then there is not much reason to keep D6, I suppose.

Dec 03, 2021 at 07:02 AM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Once the Z9 becomes widely available (say late 2022), what do you think would be the resale value of a D6?

Unfortunately, this is going to be the harsh reality for F mount by this time next year. By this time next year, Z9 will be pretty well soaked in with users and reviewers. More Z lenses will be out on the field like 100-400mm and the 400f2.8TC. 200-600mm will be announced and 600mm f4 will be announced. And maybe some PF lenses as well. And more importantly, Z9 tech will be trickled down on the cheaper body camera that probably will be announced as well.
I’ve been saying this. You can stick a fork in the F mount. The problem with buying a D camera, you’re stuck with the F mount lenses that probably will never be updated again and can only be obsolete and end of life service. When you buy a Z camera, the future can only look brighter plus you can use all your beloved F glass. This is a fact.
If you are a true pro, you wouldn’t be here to read this. If you are a true pro, your gear should be already paid for so it doesn’t matter if your D6 will only be worth $3000.

Dec 03, 2021 at 08:33 AM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Once the Z9 becomes widely available (say late 2022), what do you think would be the resale value of a D6?

As of now there is no fact telling us Nikon won’t be able to meet demand.

They issued many warnings about inability to meet demand for other products but so far not for the Z9.

Taking DxO Deep Prime noise reduction into account I expect the Z9 to be as good as the D6 up to ISO 25,600 at any print size. Possibly better.

I sold my D6 1 month ago for the same price I had bought it second hand in Feb…

Cheers,
Bernard

Dec 03, 2021 at 08:54 AM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Once the Z9 becomes widely available (say late 2022), what do you think would be the resale value of a D6?

Camera and lenses don't really lose 1/3 new price in resale value the moment you take it out of the shop normally, only way that can happen is buying the wrong thing at the wrong time.
People will be very happy to find an A1 at $5850 which is only 10% off new price, $1800 on an used 50GM is a great price which is 10% off new price.
I think when there is 1/3 price difference between new and used for the same thing not that many people going to buy the new.

ilkka_nissila wrote:
In my part of the world it is typical for a product to lose about 1/3 of its new price in resale value the moment you take it out of the shop. I find resale values of 40%-50% of the original price typical after a few years of use (even when the product has no apparent signs of use). I don't normally sell anything so quickly as the cost of use would be too high.

If you want to sell the D6 you need to wait to find someone who appreciates the advantages of the D6 (no flickering EVF in...Show more →

Dec 03, 2021 at 09:00 AM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Once the Z9 becomes widely available (say late 2022), what do you think would be the resale value of a D6?

I think the Z9 have worse high ISO performance than a D5 is simply not true, high MP cameras have worse high ISO performance is not a real world thing, people compare both camera at 100% yes the low MP camera look better BUT that's not real world use, if you print both out to the same size the higher MP will look just as good if not better, meaning when the D5 print to 100% of its resolution the Z9 is only print to 40% of it's resolution. When you print Z9 to 100% you need to print D5 at 250%(good luck with that).
If you posted both online at 10in 300 they will look the same in high ISO, because it's like 25% size of D5 file vs 10% size Z9 file, so anyway you gonna use the photos you will not see better high ISO performance from the low MP camera.

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My D5 is going nowhere. I replaced the first shutter at just about 950K and have about 500K on the replacement shutter. I shoot in crappy light about 95% of the time to make a living and the D5 does an amazing job. I ordered a Z9 but will most likely pass on it as I really don’t think it will match the high ISO performance and I don’t need or want another 45MP monster. My D850 lives in the studio and that’s not going anywhere either. I’d be more interested in a 24-30 MP pro mirrorless body to eventually...Show more →

Dec 03, 2021 at 09:17 AM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Once the Z9 becomes widely available (say late 2022), what do you think would be the resale value of a D6?

EdwardDye wrote:
Camera and lenses don't really lose 1/3 new price in resale value the moment you take it out of the shop normally, only way that can happen is buying the wrong thing at the wrong time.

I said in my part of the world, this doesn't necessarily apply in yours.

Dec 03, 2021 at 09:26 AM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Once the Z9 becomes widely available (say late 2022), what do you think would be the resale value of a D6?

It's a measurable effect, if you make the same size print or display output from both D850 and D5 or D6, at ISO 3200-12800 or higher the latter two are visibly with less noise and better colour and the shadows show better tonality. This is also consistent with what sites that measure sensors such as dxomark and photonstophotos show based on normalized images (resized to 8 MP). Check the dynamic range graphs for high ISOs.

As for the Z9, its final production units haven't yet been tested rigorously by independent testers, so time will tell how it will perform.

Dec 03, 2021 at 09:29 AM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Once the Z9 becomes widely available (say late 2022), what do you think would be the resale value of a D6?

You part of the world meaning the new gear price is higher or the used gear price is lower? Or just people don't like used gear?

ilkka_nissila wrote:
I said in my part of the world, this doesn't necessarily apply in yours.

Dec 03, 2021 at 09:40 AM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Once the Z9 becomes widely available (say late 2022), what do you think would be the resale value of a D6?

You can find the photos from different cameras here in different ISO, I only check A1(50MP) vs A7S3(12MP), but in the same size which is 12MP there is really not a big difference between the two.
https://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM

ilkka_nissila wrote:
It's a measurable effect, if you make the same size print or display output from both D850 and D5 or D6, at ISO 3200-12800 or higher the latter two are visibly with less noise and better colour and the shadows show better tonality. This is also consistent with what sites that measure sensors such as dxomark and photonstophotos show based on normalized images (resized to 8 MP). Check the dynamic range graphs for high ISOs.

As for the Z9, its final production units haven't yet been tested rigorously by independent testers, so time will tell how it will perform.

Dec 03, 2021 at 10:35 AM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Once the Z9 becomes widely available (say late 2022), what do you think would be the resale value of a D6?

I have used these cameras extensively and have shot several hundred thousand images with them. But if objective comparison is needed, here it is:

https://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Nikon-D5-versus-Nikon-D850___1062_1177

You can see that in the normalized image (print comparison), from about ISO 3200 upwards the D5 produces higher dynamic range (=> less noise in the shadows). Imaging resource compares JPGs so it's not the data quality that is being compared, but the quality of the processed image which is settings-dependent. Dxomark evaluate the quality of the raw data (which affects the limits of what one can do with it, e.g., when one is in low artificial light with low K such as 3000, after correcting the colours, the noise in the blue channel is magnified and this shows as a noticeable difference between the 45 MP D850 and 20 MP D6, and it's not in favour of the 45MP model). Now, as the Z9 has a new sensor, it could be different; time will tell. But I would never voluntarily use the D850 above about ISO 2500, and preferably I'd stay below 1600 where it excels. And this is not based on any test sites but use in my applications (which are varied) and evaluation of the results. D850 images in indoor sports look like sandpaper, whereas the D6 produces beautiful tones and colours, with less detail, yes, but as long as one shoots with frame-filling compositions (or nearly so) the results are very nice. I guess one can debate the compromise between detail and tonal and colour quality endlessly, but usually when photographing living subjects in less than bright light, I use the 20-24 MP models in preference to the 45 MP.

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Dec 03, 2021 at 01:01 PM

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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Once the Z9 becomes widely available (say late 2022), what do you think would be the resale value of a D6?

I think D6's will be worth roughly $3300 next fall. Note that you'll likely see forum users trying to get $5,000 for their cameras... but I think the fair market value will be mid 3k next fall.

This past week I have a local camera shop offering up a near mint D5 to me for around $2700 with warranty. Amazing time to be in the market, awful time to be the original owner of some of this gear.

I think the D6 will be second only to the D3x in depreciation-time on the market. Either way, happy shooting!

Dec 03, 2021 at 01:05 PM

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