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Archive 2021 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review

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p.4 #1 · p.4 #1 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review

It's so stupid to send a bad copy to a reviewer... Totally should tested it out before send it to reviewers, I mean take 100 lenses off the production line and find the best 5 to send around the reviews.

Immortal wrote:
Bad copies especialy with third party lenses in not only decentering, sadly. This have been a theme for years now for Samyang and few others. There were and are copies which missfocus (before or after POF), sometimes its pretty close and can be adjusted sometimes it's a total dud.

If it's only a tiny bit you can adjust it yourself via Samyang Lens Station (that's why they even added that function there) if its more - than you have to send it back to Samyang for calibration.

Dec 14, 2021 at 02:10 PM

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p.4 #2 · p.4 #2 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review

EdwardDye wrote:
It's so stupid to send a bad copy to a reviewer... Totally should tested it out before send it to reviewers, I mean take 100 lenses off the production line and find the best 5 to send around the reviews.

Again, maybe Julia is just very picky and spoilt with Sony lenses, no evidence yet that it is a bad copy.
Besides, she probably purchased the lens herself.

Dec 14, 2021 at 02:19 PM

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p.4 #3 · p.4 #3 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review

Immortal wrote:
There was thou that was posted somwhere at the time of first AF Samyang lenses (35 and 50) which really had a lot of issues with AF. That was one of the reasons they added calibration to the lens station software so at least some people coud fix it for themself.

Could you maybe point me towards a source? I can't find anything reliable.
I understand that you may need to micro-adjust the focus on DSLR cameras, but on mirrorless all the AF points are on the sensor. I don't see how this would need any adjustment.

Dec 14, 2021 at 02:20 PM

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p.4 #4 · p.4 #4 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review

EdwardDye wrote:
It's so stupid to send a bad copy to a reviewer... Totally should tested it out before send it to reviewers, I mean take 100 lenses off the production line and find the best 5 to send around the reviews.

Very rarely third party companies do something like that (pre-select) since they themself rarely even sell the lenses directly, they usually have a local (for the country - Focus Nordic here for Samyang and Tamron) which supplies all the lenses to the sellers and few of those to reviewers in that specific country.

I don't believe Samyang, Tamron or Sigma sends lenses directly outside Korea/Japan. Also selecting "the best copy" can backfire pretty badly when many of the "normal" copies are not up to it standard. This goes for almost any hardware that is supplied to reviewers it's not only the lenses.

I don't think they send her a bad copy on purpose i dont think they even tested it before. It was just bad luck. My is fine, Marcs copy AF wise is also fine, we will see what Abbot has to say about this soon enough (he got the lens for like 5 days now). Julia just had a bad luck with the lottery imo.

Dec 14, 2021 at 02:26 PM

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p.4 #5 · p.4 #5 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review

keepcoding wrote:
Could you maybe point me towards a source? I can't find anything reliable.
I understand that you may need to micro-adjust the focus on DSLR cameras, but on mirrorless all the AF points are on the sensor. I don't see how this would need any adjustment.

I will try to find it later on, thou i don't remember atm where it was, since it was years ago.

It was a completely different matter than on DSLR. Here AF points lock on the sensor but lens reports all the needed data for the electronics and software in the body to do it and Samyang lenses just reported bad data (or the correct data varied based on copy), so you got lock on AF confirmed by the body (and seen on EVF/LCD) while in reality it was either in front or behind the shown focus point/plane based on lens data. That is why you can add or subtrack up to 2 or even 3 units in Samyang Lens Station for the AF adjustments.

Dec 14, 2021 at 02:34 PM

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p.4 #6 · p.4 #6 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review

Immortal wrote:
I will try to find it later on, thou i don't remember atm where it was, since it was years ago.

It was a completely different matter than on DSLR. Here AF points lock on the sensor but lens reports all the needed data for the electronics and software in the body to do it and Samyang lenses just reported bad data (or the correct data varied based on copy), so you got lock on AF confirmed by the body (and seen on EVF/LCD) while in reality it was either in front or behind the shown focus point/plane based on lens...Show more →

I would appreciate that.
The way I see it the lens does not have to report to the camera, because the camera has ALL information (phase detect pixel readout).

Dec 14, 2021 at 02:37 PM

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p.4 #7 · p.4 #7 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review

I also remember reading about AF process in mirrorless, though I too don't remember the details and where I read about it...
Anyways, what I remember is that it's not that simple as the correct set of PD points need to be chosen based on the data received from the lens (I guess focus distance, etc.). Maybe less flashy, but also the lens needs to react correctly to the focusing commands issued by the body...

And getting back to the other topic, I can't believe local distributor would send a random copy to Julia

. It's still possible it broke somewhere along the way...

Dec 14, 2021 at 02:49 PM

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p.4 #8 · p.4 #8 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review

j4nu wrote:
I also remember reading about AF process in mirrorless, though I too don't remember the details and where I read about it...
Anyways, what I remember is that it's not that simple as the correct set of PD points need to be chosen based on the data received from the lens (I guess focus distance, etc.). Maybe less flashy, but also the lens needs to react correctly to the focusing commands issued by the body...

And getting back to the other topic, I can't believe local distributor would send a random copy to Julia

...

Well, they sure send a total dud here to Optyczne.pl (lenstip.com for others) of Samyang 24/F1.8 the results are like anybody can see... pretty bad to say the least. So yeah... anything is possible.

Dec 14, 2021 at 02:53 PM

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p.4 #9 · p.4 #9 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review

Immortal wrote:
Very rarely third party companies do something like that (pre-select) since they themself rarely even sell the lenses directly, they usually have a local (for the country - Focus Nordic here for Samyang and Tamron) which supplies all the lenses to the sellers and few of those to reviewers in that specific country.

I don't believe Samyang, Tamron or Sigma sends lenses directly outside Korea/Japan. Also selecting "the best copy" can backfire pretty badly when many of the "normal" copies are not up to it standard. This goes for almost any hardware that is supplied to reviewers it's not only the...Show more →

Dustin Abbott has said that Samyang send him lenses for review, and he seems to have always had top copies of their lenses. Samyang UK said last week that they will be sending review copies out themselves. It makes sense for them to send selected good copies out for review - those reviews reflect what the lenses are capable of, which is what we want to really hear from a review. Having pro reviewers review a mediocre copy will do them more harm than good. Their tiny 1.8 line has some copy variation but at least we know they're capable of being really, really good from the reviews.

I do wonder if Samyang knew that reviews of this lens weren't going to be brilliant so they held them back until early adopters had already bought some? The reviews so far haven't been great. I really, really wanted to like this lens too

Dec 14, 2021 at 06:23 PM

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p.4 #10 · p.4 #10 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review

newdom wrote:
Dustin Abbott has said that Samyang send him lenses for review, and he seems to have always had top copies of their lenses. Samyang UK said last week that they will be sending review copies out themselves. It makes sense for them to send selected good copies out for review - those reviews reflect what the lenses are capable of, which is what we want to really hear from a review. Having pro reviewers review a mediocre copy will do them more harm than good. Their tiny 1.8 line has some copy variation but at least we know they're capable...Show more →

That's not true at all.

Dec 15, 2021 at 04:48 AM

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p.4 #11 · p.4 #11 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review

Immortal wrote:
That's not true at all.

At least the part about Abbott, he stated few times that he gets his Samyang lenses from a local Samyang distributor, not from Samyang themself.

Anyway it is what it is. I don't buy any weird conspiracy theories and as it was already shown, reviewers too get a bad copy. Review so far has been 1 and 1. Marcs is positive, Julia not so much, we will see how it goes.

https://dustinabbott.net/2021/05/samyang-af-24mm-f1-8-review/
"Thanks to Samyang for sending me a test copy of the lens. As always, this is a completely independent review."

https://dustinabbott.net/2020/05/samyang-af-75mm-f1-8-sony-fe-review/
"In late March, Samyang contacted me to see if I wanted to look at a new lens. I agreed, but they didn’t specify what the lens was. I didn’t know until it arrived, but was very interested to discover a compact, portrait oriented prime lens at a focal length that I’ve never tested before – 75mm."

Again, expressing opinion (that doesn't match yours) isn't a conspiracy theory, it's just someone else's opinion - repeatedly dismissing other people's opinion as 'weird conspiracy theories' is disrespectful of other people's opinions. You posted the first proper review I read of this lens, which I'm very thankful for and it was a great read, very informative. I've had and loved mostly Samyang lenses up to now (35/1.8, 24/1.8, 75/1.8, 85/1.4) and sold both my 1.4s in anticipation of this lens so I'm just a little underwhelmed. And it was actually the sonyalpha.blog review that made me hold off on this lens, I don't count that as a very good one!

Hopefully more reviewers will come along with better copies, and they'll improve the AF with firmware updates. It definitely has a lot of good things going for it - it's a nicer design visually, the build quality looks to have improved significantly, it's super small and light for a 1.4, it looks fantastic for video (which I suspect they've targeted more with this lens), and it's a relatively cheap 1.4 option. I look forward to trying it sometime, hope everyone who buys one enjoys theirs.

Peace.

Dec 15, 2021 at 08:49 AM

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p.4 #12 · p.4 #12 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review

newdom wrote:
https://dustinabbott.net/2021/05/samyang-af-24mm-f1-8-review/
"Thanks to Samyang for sending me a test copy of the lens. As always, this is a completely independent review."

https://dustinabbott.net/2020/05/samyang-af-75mm-f1-8-sony-fe-review/
"In late March, Samyang contacted me to see if I wanted to look at a new lens. I agreed, but they didn’t specify what the lens was. I didn’t know until it arrived, but was very interested to discover a compact, portrait oriented prime lens at a focal length that I’ve never tested before – 75mm."

Again, expressing opinion (that doesn't match yours) isn't a conspiracy theory, it's just someone else's opinion - repeatedly dismissing other people's opinion as 'weird conspiracy theories'...Show more →

... but even if the new Samyang is not too good (knock, knock) then still it doesn't prove in any way the "conspiracy theory" that Samyang witheld the lens from reviewers to make people buy it blindly (and then get disappointed and return it, where possible

) ...

Dec 15, 2021 at 09:21 AM

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p.4 #13 · p.4 #13 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review

newdom wrote:
https://dustinabbott.net/2021/05/samyang-af-24mm-f1-8-review/
"Thanks to Samyang for sending me a test copy of the lens. As always, this is a completely independent review."

https://dustinabbott.net/2020/05/samyang-af-75mm-f1-8-sony-fe-review/
"In late March, Samyang contacted me to see if I wanted to look at a new lens. I agreed, but they didn’t specify what the lens was. I didn’t know until it arrived, but was very interested to discover a compact, portrait oriented prime lens at a focal length that I’ve never tested before – 75mm."

Again, expressing opinion (that doesn't match yours) isn't a conspiracy theory, it's just someone else's opinion - repeatedly dismissing other people's opinion as 'weird conspiracy theories'...Show more →

He already said that by Samyang he means his local distributor, right after somebody asked him about FE 50 II review under the Viltrox review i believe, anyway in one of the recent reviews in the comments.

And It's completely fine to have an opinion, i just said I don't buy into conspiracy theories the same theories that some people wrote in Tamron 35-150/F2-2.8 thread coz "no big YT got the lens". Which as we all know now were completely false.

Anybody can believe what they want.

Dec 15, 2021 at 09:26 AM

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p.4 #14 · p.4 #14 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review

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Dec 19, 2021 at 06:18 AM

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Dec 19, 2021 at 06:20 AM

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p.4 #16 · p.4 #16 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review

https://SonyAlpha.blog

Lens examples

https://www.flickr.com/photos/sonyalphablog/albums/72157720216464878/with/51735057210/

Jan 01, 2022 at 08:12 PM

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p.4 #17 · p.4 #17 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review

Been already posted, like weeks ago.

Jan 02, 2022 at 08:36 AM

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p.4 #18 · p.4 #18 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review

Dustin published his review yesterday, for anyone interested:
https://youtu.be/XX5s0eUVzTE

All in all, it seems very good. Central sharpness on par with (or dare I say even surpassing) the Sony 50/1.4, with nice bokeh to boot.

AF performance seems vastly improved over the previous version (which isn't saying a lot, tbh) but doesn't seem to be at the level of similar lenses from other manufacturers.

The review certainly got me closer to pressing the "confirm order" button, as a replacement for my Sigma 50/1.4 (which replaced my Samyang v1).

The Sigma is optically wonderful, but the fact that it can be used as a makeshift anchor for the USS Ronald Reagan means that I sometimes hesitate to bring it with me...

Jan 25, 2022 at 09:13 AM

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p.4 #19 · p.4 #19 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review

newdom wrote:
Looking forward to seeing the Bokeh! On one of the few videos out there shot with this lens I saw some pronounced onion rings, others it looks great.

Seems like Samyang's weakness is correcting CA. Their 24/1.8, while otherwise a great lens, still suffers quite a lot as does it look like this lens.

The pictures with the plants around the outside light, were they with silent shutter? Looks like there is some banding?

That's two verrry debatable statements in two sentences.

1) One of the reasons the 24/1.8 (which I have) is such a great Astro lens is that it has extremely low CA, far far lower than say the Sony 20mm. Dustin Abbott proves this in his review (the astro section). I concur, CA is definitely not an issue with this lens.

2) Again Dustin Abbott, shows in his extended review of the 50mm that there are virtually no onion rings. In fact Immortal in his review above states : "... and there was no onion rings in bokeh balls either way".
So I'm not sure what or where you saw these 'pronounced' onion rings?

Jan 25, 2022 at 02:07 PM

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p.4 #20 · p.4 #20 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review

fotografur wrote:
https://SonyAlpha.blog

Lens examples

https://www.flickr.com/photos/sonyalphablog/albums/72157720216464878/with/51735057210/

Most of these look great. However it looks like some of these are out focus. Do you have issues with the focusing on this lens?

Jan 25, 2022 at 03:19 PM

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