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Archive 2021 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review

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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review


As promised in the other Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II thread, here is my review of the lens. Please note this is still work in progress as i will add things in the next several hours.

Couple of things before we get started:

- All tests were done on A7R III
- All in-camera corrections were off
- There is no profile correction for Lightroom or any other software
- All photos are RAW converted to JPG and downsized with the exception of the sample shots at the end of the review which are edited to taste
- if somebody wants RAW file/files feel free to ask
- i don't have Sony GM 50/F1.2 atm so i can't compare with it directly(thou i had it earlier) also this lens isn't a GM competitor

Now then let's begin with the boring stuff.

1. Official specification and optical construction

https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/specs.jpg


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/mtf.jpg


2. Build quality&what's in the box

https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/samyang50FEII.jpg


With the newest lenses (including the new 24-70/F2.8 zoom) Samyang introduced new, modern design. First time in the hand new 50 feels pretty premium, nothing short of the newest Tamron lenses and pretty close to GM ones. The whole lens is made of engineered plastic with matt finish.

On top of the lens you get a big and nicely dampened rubberized focus ring (feels very nice in hand), next we got focus hold button (which you can customize in the body) and custom switch M1/M2 which you can customize with lens software, however you will need Samyang FE Lens Station to do this. Whole construction is weather sealed and since i did shoot this lens also in (pretty heavy) rain i can say it's done properly.

https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/inthebox.jpg


With the lens you obviously get a lens hood and a black pouch. The later was sorta a suprise since Samyang with its smaller (and cheaper) lenses included a very convinient and sturdy plastic shell so i was expecting the same here. That being said the pouch is fine, material seems to be of a decent quality. Front cap is pretty massive and locks into place perfectly. Same can be said about the tulip sun cover. Both are a big upgrade over previous Samyang lenses.

Overall build quality of the Samyang AF 50/F1.4 is excelent, easily the biggest upgrade over any other lens they made till date. Samyang in a way always was behind Tamron/Sigma and Sony in terms of build quality but not anymore. This lens is up there with all the other top tier lenses.

3. Center sharpness

For sake of consistency i've used a perfectly straight wall of textured tiles with matt finish.

https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/AFpoint.jpg

Focus point


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/f1418.jpg

Already wide open sharpness in the center is excelent with a small improvment when stopped down to F1.8


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/f284.jpg

At 2.8 sharpness is better still and continue to improve till F3.5-F4 where we find lens peak performance


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/f48.jpg

F4 vs F5.6 is extremely hard to distinguish so instead you got F8 here, where you can see difraction already kicks in.


4. Corner sharpness

https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/AFpoint2.jpg

Focus point


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/c1418.jpg

Wide open corners are somewhere between good and very good, you gain a little bit more of fine details at F1.8 but honestly vignette covers a lot of it anyway.


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/c284.jpg

Stepping down to F2.8 gives you another boost in detail and by F4 corners are excelent.


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/c48.jpg

F4 and F5.6 look almost identical so again i give you F4 vs F8, where you can see the texture a bit better but than again difraction is already a factor.


5. Vignetting and microcontrast

https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/micro-1.jpg

At F1.4 vignetting is pretty strong, roughly -2.7 EV (on par with GM 50), microcontrast is already excelent.


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/micro-2.jpg

Stepping down to F1.8 improves both (vignietting -2.0 EV).


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/micro-3.jpg

Moving to F2 and we get another small boost in both (vig -1.8 EV)


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/micro-4.jpg

Now we're at F2.8 and we get a pretty big improvement in regards to vignietting (-1.3 EV) and small in microcontrast.


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/micro-5.jpg

At F3.5 microcontrast reaches its peak while vignietting still slightly improves (-1.2 EV)


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/micro-6.jpg

Going to F5.6 is the end of the road for vignietting improvements (-1 EV)


5.1 Color rendition

As you probably already guessed, Samyang 50/F1.4 II renders color more towards warm side. Some people gonna love it, some not so much - personal preference and it's easy to adjust in post. I find it pleasing especially with the lens bokeh (more on that later). To give you a comparison take a look below (fun fact Samyang 45/F1.8 has even stronger vignette at F1.8 than new S50 at F1.4):

https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/colors50s45.jpg


6. AF

If i had to sum up AF performance in one word i would say it's... fine. That being said lets get into some details:

- Accuracy is excelent, i didn't have any weird miss AF or false-positives taking photos even in low light. In that regard there is an improvement versus any previous Samyang lens. This is on par with Tamron or Sigma. In very low light AF sometimes goes over the focus point and comes back but still nails focus. Kinda like some Sigma lenses do.

- Speed is mediocre, it's pretty much the same as it was with any previous Samyang lenses (outside of the worst / oldest ones, on par lets say with Samyang 45/F1.8). It's not slow but it's also noticeably slower than Tamron not to mention Sony GM lenses.

- Noise is another point where it loses to Tamron/Sigma/Sony lenses. It's pretty quiet but it's not noiseless. It seems like this is the best they can do with ST motor.

- Tracking accurancy for walking people is fine/good. I had only few photos which AF didn't nail, however this was at night (very low light) and might as well be my fault. That being said i don't do sport so i can't say how this will hold up for running people / pets. I don't believe this lens is intendent for such a use case.

7. CA/LoCA

https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/loca1-1.jpg

Whole picture (F1.4)

https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/loca1-2.jpg

Crop


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/loca2-1.jpg

Whole picture (F1.4)

https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/loca2-2.jpg

Crop


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/loca3-1.jpg

Whole picture (F1.4)


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/loca3-2.jpg

Before plane of focus - crop


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/loca3-3.jpg

After plane of focus - crop


LoCA is sadly a thing here, especialy when you're at F1.4 and in extreme compositions (many dark branches on grey sky - third picture). Thankfully in most use cases it's more than decent and once the profile for the lens is released it's gonna be way easier to correct.

When comparing to Samyang 45/F1.8 CA and LoCA is a bit better controlled but the improvement is pretty small. Quite a long way from GM 50/1.2, than again you can't have everything for not even 1/3rd of its price.

7. Focus breathing/shrinking

Happy to report that there is very little focus shrinking here. It's pretty close to being par-focal. Great for people doing video.

8. Flare

Since there is like no sun whatsover here and wont be for next few weeks i had to improvise.

https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/flare.jpg


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/flare2.jpg


I had really hard to time to produce any flare. Samyang did an excelent job here. I'm also very pleased that microcontrast holds up very well in direct light.

9. Rendering of sunstars

Without any sun well... i had to improvise again. Happy to report that thanks to the 9 blade aperture you will see nice sunstars from F5.6 and up.

https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/sunstars.jpg

Whole picture (F8)


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/sunstars1.jpg

Crop


10. Bokeh balls

Bokeh rendering is for sure one of several strong points of the lens.

https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/bballs1.jpg

Whole picture (F1.4)


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/bballs1c.jpg

Crop


Bokeh Balls in the center are rendered clean and very creamy without any visible border. Even close to the edge of the frame performance is very good with only some minor vignette cutting the left side of the bokeh ball. This is almost 100% fixed by stepping down to F1.8. The only thing im gonna nitpick here is the 9 blade aperture which you start to see as soon as F2 and is clearly visible by F2.8.

11. Quality Assurance aka copy variation

The bain of all lenses. With my local distributor (thanks buddy!) we went throu 4 copies of the lens to find 1 perfectly centered. Two of them were only slightly decentered (for many people these would be fine) and one was pretty bad. Overall not great but not bad either.

12. Samples (edited to taste)

https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/sample1.jpg


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/sample2.jpg


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/sample3.jpg


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/sample6.jpg


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/sample9.jpg


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/sample10.jpg


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/sample11.jpg


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/s2.jpg


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/sampleP3.jpg


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/sampleP1.jpg


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/sampleP4.jpg


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/sampleP5.jpg


13. Summary

Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II is a modern 50 mm lens which performs very well in almost all categories with the exception of very few. One could make a very compeling case for this Samyang being a better overall lens than Sony Zeiss 50/F1.4. In current Sony FE line up of 50 mm lenses this one sits just behind Sony GM 50/F1.2 which is a better lens but also costs 2200 euro, while you can pick up Samyang for 700 euro / 750$ or even less (for me it was 612 euro). Highly recommended.

Pros:

+ much improved build quality, on par with Tamron and Sony G/GM lenses
+ weather sealed
+ light and pretty compact for a F1.4 lens
+ excelent sharpness wide open in the center
+ very good sharpnes wide open in the corners
+ great microcontrast already at F1.4
+ AF accuracy is excelent
+ almost no focus shrinking/breathing
+ flare is well corrected
+ nicely pronounced sunstars from F5.6
+ smooth and creamy bokeh
+ great price

Cons:

- AF speed is only mediocre and while quiet it's not noiseless
- LoCA should've been corrected better
- pretty strong vignette
- you need Samyang Lens Station to customize switch and/or ring function

Edited on Dec 09, 2021 at 11:19 PM · View previous versions



Nov 29, 2021 at 12:36 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review


Looks great! It's always wonderful to see people post their view on a new lens on here.
It's wonderful as a consumer that Samyang is another brand that saw the light and cracked the puzzle to reach new heights.



Nov 29, 2021 at 12:39 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review


Very nice start of your review! The thing I am most curious about is how this lens performs with Eye-AF on real humans in both bright and low light.


Nov 29, 2021 at 01:40 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review


Last update for tonight.

Added:

- Edge sharpness
- Vignetting and microcontrast
- Color rendition

Next:

- AF
- CA/LoCA

Hope you find it useful.



Nov 29, 2021 at 06:49 PM
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Many thanks Immortal!
My first impression from looking at your samples is that this lens appears to render in a way that is typical of Samyang - very very sharp, constrasty, but ick that bokeh sure looks busy with LoCA visible even at <100% magnification (in the vignetting and microcontrast tests, the silver branches in the vase behind the element). Do you see something similar in your samples?



Nov 29, 2021 at 07:06 PM
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Thank you. I will go pretty deep with this in the next update coz there is a lot to talk about CA/LoCA and bokeh.

It's a mixed bag.

There is an improvment in CA/LoCA vs older Samyangs (like 45/F1.8) but it's not as big as in other areas like sharpness, microcontrast, build quality and.... bokeh rendition (i really think this is the best one yet out of all Samyang lenses till date in that regard).

but yes if you go crazy with something like dark branches - on light grey sky there is a pretty strong LoCA but even my Tamron lenses (smaller aomunt) or GM (smaller yet) show some LoCA if i go extremely insane with the composition. Samyang improved a lot with this lens in various areas just not all of them to the level of the best Sony or Tamron lenses.

There will be plenty of samples to check for you guys, so you can make your own judgment.



Nov 29, 2021 at 07:24 PM
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Looking forward to the future installments. Thank you for your effort!


Nov 30, 2021 at 11:33 PM
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Thanks very much for taking the time to do this, looking forward to the rest of the review
This could be a killer lens for the e-mount ecosystem, but the only unbiased youtuber review so far isn't entirely glowing and there are no reviews from the usual (respected) suspects despite it being available on the open market.
I do wonder if they've compromised the lens slightly from a pure photography point of view, to cater it more to the video/vlogger market. This is probably a smart move, but I hope the photo IQ is still good. It's a small, light 1.4 - even compared to the benchmark 35GM - so it could be compared with the 1.8s as well as 1.4s. It's the same price in the UK as the Sony 35/1.8, for example.



Dec 01, 2021 at 08:40 AM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review


Another update.

Added:

- AF summary
- CA/LoCA
- Focus breathing/shrinking

Next:

- Distortion
- Flare/ghosting

Hope you find it useful.


newdom wrote:
Thanks very much for taking the time to do this, looking forward to the rest of the review
This could be a killer lens for the e-mount ecosystem, but the only unbiased youtuber review so far isn't entirely glowing and there are no reviews from the usual (respected) suspects despite it being available on the open market.
I do wonder if they've compromised the lens slightly from a pure photography point of view, to cater it more to the video/vlogger market. This is probably a smart move, but I hope the photo IQ is still good. It's a small, light 1.4
...Show more

Benchmark for this lens is GM 50/F1.2 like for any 50 mm lens atm and it would be kinda wild to expect that a lens for less than 1/3rd of its price gonna match it. For the money this is an amazing 50 mm lens by any standards with very few caveats. It's not perfect. In terms of pure sharpness it's remarkable how close to GM 50/F1.2 it actually is.

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Regarding missing reviews, Dustin Abbott just said he's excited about reviewing the Samyang .

@Immortal, Mokotów !



Dec 01, 2021 at 06:31 PM
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Immortal wrote:
Thank you. I will go pretty deep with this in the next update coz there is a lot to talk about CA/LoCA and bokeh.

It's a mixed bag.

There is an improvment in CA/LoCA vs older Samyangs (like 45/F1.8) but it's not as big as in other areas like sharpness, microcontrast, build quality and.... bokeh rendition (i really think this is the best one yet out of all Samyang lenses till date in that regard).

but yes if you go crazy with something like dark branches - on light grey sky there is a pretty strong LoCA but even my Tamron lenses
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Thank you again for all your efforts. I checked out your new LoCA samples and saw what you described. I know exactly what you mean in terms of the 45/1.8 comparison, since that was a lens I sold quickly because personally I couldn't live with its bokeh and LoCa performance (comparing to the Sigma 45/2.8 was like night and day). YMMV.

Nonetheless, I totally agree with your last post that costing 1/3 the price of the 50/1.2 GM, this is quite a bargain on account of overall performance, as is the case with many Samyang AF lenses. Such exciting times for us E Mount users, it's great to have choice especially affordable and good value ones.



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I’m excited to see the rest of this review posted. This was a lens I have been waiting a while for on E mount. A light weight, wide aperture 50mm that doesn’t break the bank. The original Samyang 50mm 1.4 reviews were pretty off putting for the autofocus, so I never bothered. I have the 85mm 1.4, 45mm 1.8, 18mm 2.8, and just bought the 35mm 1.8 to try for $180 on Black Friday. I enjoy them all, and understand they are not perfect, but for the prices you can get them for, they offer outstanding value. If this 50 turns out to hold up in reviews, I think I may sell the 45 and replace it with the 50 1.4 ii.


Dec 02, 2021 at 09:14 PM
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To me the LoCA performance doesn't look all that bad for F1.4 on 42MP.

Would be very interested in a LoCA / bokeh comparison with the 45mm F1.8 if you still have that lens (I actually consider the 45mm a lens that renders nicely).



Dec 03, 2021 at 12:02 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review


Another update.

Added:

- Flare
- Sunstars

Next (final update):

- Bokeh
- Quality Assurance aka copy variation
- Summary
- Samples

Hope you find it useful.

keepcoding wrote:
To me the LoCA performance doesn't look all that bad for F1.4 on 42MP.

Would be very interested in a LoCA / bokeh comparison with the 45mm F1.8 if you still have that lens (I actually consider the 45mm a lens that renders nicely).


I still have the 45, thou i will be selling it very soon. For me the new 50 is a significant upgrade in almost every way over that lens - so there is no need to keep it. I will try to make such comparison tomorrow for you.


//offtopic - rant

The weather here for like a month now looks pretty much like this:

https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/grey.jpg



Dec 05, 2021 at 07:45 PM
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Looking forward to seeing the Bokeh! On one of the few videos out there shot with this lens I saw some pronounced onion rings, others it looks great.

Seems like Samyang's weakness is correcting CA. Their 24/1.8, while otherwise a great lens, still suffers quite a lot as does it look like this lens.

The pictures with the plants around the outside light, were they with silent shutter? Looks like there is some banding?



Dec 07, 2021 at 04:43 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review


Review is now done. I may add few small things later on but 99% is already there.

Enjoy.



Dec 08, 2021 at 08:07 AM
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keepcoding wrote:
To me the LoCA performance doesn't look all that bad for F1.4 on 42MP.

Would be very interested in a LoCA / bokeh comparison with the 45mm F1.8 if you still have that lens (I actually consider the 45mm a lens that renders nicely).


Didn't have time to do LoCa comparison yet, will do it soon thou. I did however do some bokeh balls comparison and SY 50 FE II is miles ahead of SY 45/F1.8 in that department.

https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/wholesy4518.jpg

Whole picture - Samyang 45/F1.8


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/wholesy5014.jpg

Whole picture - Samyang 50/F1.4


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/crop4518.jpg

Crop - Samyang 45/F1.8


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/crop5014.jpg

Crop - Samyang 50/F1.4


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/crop5018.jpg

Crop - Samyang 50/F1.8


newdom wrote:
Looking forward to seeing the Bokeh! On one of the few videos out there shot with this lens I saw some pronounced onion rings, others it looks great.

Seems like Samyang's weakness is correcting CA. Their 24/1.8, while otherwise a great lens, still suffers quite a lot as does it look like this lens.

The pictures with the plants around the outside light, were they with silent shutter? Looks like there is some banding?


Yes, since i use like 99% SS only with my A9 i often forget to change it to MS with A7RIII, however in this case it doesn't matter since those 2 pictures are all about the flare.



Dec 08, 2021 at 08:15 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Samyang AF 50/F1.4 FE II - review


Thanks for the review! Looks like a great lens... if you get a good copy :P

Wonder if we're gonna see a 35 1.4 II with similar results or if Sony users around the world are going to exclaim in delight at the first excellent 28mm for the system haha.



Dec 08, 2021 at 09:12 AM
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Immortal wrote:



Didn't have time to do LoCa comparison yet, will do it soon thou. I did however do some bokeh balls comparison and SY 50 FE II is miles ahead of SY 45/F1.8 in that department.

https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/wholesy4518.jpg

Whole picture - Samyang 45/F1.8


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/wholesy5014.jpg

Whole picture - Samyang 50/F1.4


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/crop4518.jpg

Crop - Samyang 45/F1.8


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/crop5014.jpg

Crop - Samyang 50/F1.4


https://4kgamer.net/kkm/Samyang50_II/review/crop5018.jpg

Crop - Samyang 50/F1.8




Yes, since i use like 99% SS only with my A9 i often forget to change it to MS with A7RIII, however in this case it doesn't matter since those 2 pictures are all about the flare.


Thanks for the comparison! Looking forward to the LoCA test.

I never had anything against cats-eye bokeh, therefore not a big deal for me. What I don't like though are onion rings, which the 45mm has unfortunately. Since I can't really see much of onion rings in your test shots (probably due to the exposure), I am wondering whether the 50mm is much better at that?



Dec 08, 2021 at 12:11 PM
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keepcoding wrote:
Thanks for the comparison! Looking forward to the LoCA test.

I never had anything against cats-eye bokeh, therefore not a big deal for me. What I don't like though are onion rings, which the 45mm has unfortunately. Since I can't really see much of onion rings in your test shots (probably due to the exposure), I am wondering whether the 50mm is much better at that?


Ah sorry, my mistake, many people asked me different things here and via PM. I probably got confused who asked what.

What exactly do you mean by exposure in regard to onion rings in bokeh balls?

You can't be meaning exposure time since that has little to no effect on bokeh balls and regardless - some of the shoots were taken with SS as low as 1/5000th and other with like 3, 5 even 20 seconds and there was no onion rings in bokeh balls either way. In general bokeh is a strong point for SY 50 FEII, it's creamy and smooth.

I hope to do that LoCA test tomorrow, since im selling S45 like i said but in general the only thing that is more alike than different between SY45 and S50 FE II is the AF (speed and noise; accuracy is however better on the new lens).

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