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Archive 2021 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

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p.3 #1 · p.3 #1 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

Hope so, my 35mm c-biogon will be up for sale if they do, that’s the sharpest m mount lens I own.

genji wrote:
Both of those slower APO-Skopars will no doubt be announced shortly after the APO-Lanthar 28/2 has been released.

Oct 13, 2021 at 12:50 PM

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p.3 #2 · p.3 #2 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

Wow, make me an E mount version so it can battle it out with my new 90/2.8i Sigma.
I bet it will do well pointed into the sun - at least let's hope so.

And yes, a new lighter 180/4 APO CV in E mount would be an instant bank account drain for me.

Oct 13, 2021 at 01:04 PM

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p.3 #3 · p.3 #3 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

jhinkey wrote:
Wow, make me an E mount version so it can battle it out with my new 90/2.8i Sigma.
I bet it will do well pointed into the sun - at least let's hope so.

And yes, a new lighter 180/4 APO CV in E mount would be an instant bank account drain for me.

The benefit of the 90/2.8 APO VM is that it can be adapted to any camera brand and perform similarly. It's a universal lens.
The equal performance comes from the low incidence angle in telephoto lenses making it suitable for cameras with different sensor stack thicknesses.

Oct 13, 2021 at 01:11 PM

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p.3 #4 · p.3 #4 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

jhinkey wrote:
Wow, make me an E mount version so it can battle it out with my new 90/2.8i Sigma.
I bet it will do well pointed into the sun - at least let's hope so.

And yes, a new lighter 180/4 APO CV in E mount would be an instant bank account drain for me.

The likelihood of an E-mount 90/2.8 is exactly zero. In addition to the fact that, as Fred explained, an E-mount version offers no technical advantage for a lens of that focal length, the product announcement not only states “Designed exclusively for full frame VM mounts” but also recommends the use of CV’s adapter for use on Sony E, Fuji X, and Nikon Z cameras.

Oct 13, 2021 at 01:35 PM

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p.3 #5 · p.3 #5 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

genji wrote:
The likelihood of an E-mount 90/2.8 is exactly zero. In addition to the fact that, as Fred explained, an E-mount version offers no technical advantage for a lens of that focal length, the product announcement not only states “Designed exclusively for full frame VM mounts” but also recommends the use of CV’s adapter for use on Sony E, Fuji X, and Nikon Z cameras.

The technical advantage is that for an E-mount version there is a CPU in the lens talking to the camera AND it's likely to be lighter than the VM + adapter.

Make an E mount version . . . . please.

Oct 13, 2021 at 01:39 PM

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p.3 #6 · p.3 #6 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

I love the looks of this lens on many fronts. It will replace my Leica 90 f/2.4 summarit, and looks to only give up the half stop in aperture but is significantly lighter and should be a good performer. On my Leica M10 it will also make a great kit with my Leica 21 SEM, Voigtlander 28 f/2 II, and Leica M 50 lux Asph. What a great four lens kit. On mirrorless I can pair it with the Loxia 21, and Voigtlander 50 f/2 APO. I was considering buying the Voigtlander 35 f/2 APO, but now I am glad I didn't. I just prefer a 21, 28, 50, 90 kit and then I can add my Voigtlander VM 15 f/4.5 III if I need wider and my Voigtlander 180 f/4 APO if I need longer. I am still missing the 28 I want for mirrorless, but otherwise I am set for both Leica M and mirrorless with only the duplicate lenses at 21 and 50 and the 21 SEM and 50 Lux Asph are excellent on the Leica M side and the Loxia 21 and Voigtlander 50 f/2 APO are excellent on the mirrorless side.

Oct 13, 2021 at 01:41 PM

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p.3 #7 · p.3 #7 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

jhinkey wrote:
The technical advantage is that for an E-mount version there is a CPU in the lens talking to the camera AND it's likely to be lighter than the VM + adapter.

Make an E mount version . . . . please.
Maybe they can sell a chipped VM version that has the ability to talk to smart adapters. Could even sell their own line of smart adapters to translate to their VM chip to various mounts. Would definitely expand the pool of people willing to use VM mount lenses by making EXIF possible.

Oct 13, 2021 at 02:03 PM

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p.3 #8 · p.3 #8 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

jhinkey wrote:
The technical advantage is that for an E-mount version there is a CPU in the lens talking to the camera AND it's likely to be lighter than the VM + adapter.

Make an E mount version . . . . please.

Point taken. I should have written there was no optical advantage. But I stand by my prediction that there will be no E-mount version, just as there has been no E-mount Nokton 75/1.5. What I believe is more likely is the release of both E- and M-mount versions of an APO-Lanthar 75/2.5 or 2.8.

Oct 13, 2021 at 02:04 PM

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p.3 #9 · p.3 #9 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

I just picked up a Contax G 90mm f/2.8 converted to M mount. Looks like it's possibly going to be a catch and release for me, as I'm too excited for this! I know I'm among a minority, but I love street shooting with a 90mm

Oct 13, 2021 at 02:05 PM

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p.3 #10 · p.3 #10 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

Maybe the best guide to weight differences lies in the two APOs at 35mm and 50mm - 48g and 76g to the VM pair. My adapter is 36g, so thin it disappears from view. Other E lenses from CV are also larger and heavier, often by a considerable amount.

Never cared for auto magnify, the focus distance line or the other stuff, easy to tell the lenses from the images. I doubt they will make anything much for Sony here, we would know it already, if so. If, like the 75mm, it works really well people won't swap just for the sake of it, giving up the size and weight advantages - and ease of resale.

Oct 13, 2021 at 04:16 PM

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p.3 #11 · p.3 #11 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

Oct 13, 2021 at 04:19 PM

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p.3 #12 · p.3 #12 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

What intrigues me is the choice of "APO-SKOPAR" instead of APO-Lanthar for the 90mm f/2.8.
Perhaps this was intentional and we could see lighter, more compact -- albeit slower -- APO-SLOPAR lenses for other FLs in the future.

Oct 13, 2021 at 04:25 PM

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p.3 #13 · p.3 #13 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

MAubrey wrote:
I know from experience that the Contax G 90mm does better on a thin sensor stack camera than it does on the stock Sony sensor stack.

Indeed. One of the most often repeated delusional claims on FM is that Leica M lenses 50mm and above uniformly perform well on the stock Sony sensor stack. The reality is not so much that some perform well whereas others perform poorly but rather that the quality assessments are so subjective as to be worthless.

Oct 13, 2021 at 04:27 PM

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p.3 #14 · p.3 #14 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

genji wrote:
Indeed. One of the most often repeated delusional claims on FM is that Leica M lenses 50mm and above uniformly perform well on the stock Sony sensor stack. The reality is not so much that some perform well whereas others perform poorly but rather that the quality assessments are so subjective as to be worthless.

50mm M lenses are rarely ok on thicker stack sensors. For example, the CV 50/2 APO, 50/1.2 Nokton VM lenses do not perform optimally on the Sony. Not even on the Leica SL which has a thinner stack than Sony.

Only slower lenses like the 50/3.5 Heliar do well on both since f/3.5 masks the induced field curvature.

90mm is a different story though and I bet the bank this design will work the same for Leica M and Sony bodies. It would be surprising if it does not.

Oct 13, 2021 at 04:32 PM

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p.3 #15 · p.3 #15 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

I think the APO-Lanthar was a Heliar formula whereas the Skopar is supposedly a Tessar. Or at least Skopar started out as Tessar... Seven groups sort of negates that...

Oct 13, 2021 at 04:38 PM

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p.3 #16 · p.3 #16 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

I think the original Lanthars were triplets, while the Skopars were more complex 4 group Tessars. The 90mm f/3.5 APO-Lanthar is 6 elements in 5 groups, so maybe the choice of the Skopar name is just to denote the higher level of complexity?

Oct 13, 2021 at 05:01 PM

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p.3 #17 · p.3 #17 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

astrobuoy wrote:
I think the original Lanthars were triplets, while the Skopars were more complex 4 group Tessars. The 90mm f/3.5 APO-Lanthar is 6 elements in 5 groups, so maybe the choice of the Skopar name is just to denote the higher level of complexity?

Perhaps nowadays, this is more marketing than anything else.

Oct 13, 2021 at 05:20 PM

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p.3 #18 · p.3 #18 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

Yes, f2.8, very narrow max ray angles and the 75mm-adjacent design work in favour of this one being a true dual use lens.

'APO-LANTHAR is a title given to high-performance products among Voigtlander lenses.'

Oct 13, 2021 at 05:26 PM

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p.3 #19 · p.3 #19 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

Fred Miranda wrote:
The benefit of the 90/2.8 APO VM is that it can be adapted to any camera brand and perform similarly. It's a universal lens.
The equal performance comes from the low incidence angle in telephoto lenses making it suitable for cameras with different sensor stack thicknesses.

I was wondering if someone could educate folks like me who have never used adapters and don't know their limitations/capabilities. The way I focus with all my E mount CV lenses is (i) set the focus point, (ii) begin to move the focus ring, with the camera set up so the focus magnification kicks in automatically, and (iii) touch the shutter button to do a final check on the framing. Obviously only works on stationary subjects but it nails perfect focus unfailingly every single time. Now, will this lens (or the 75/1.5 which is very interesting) allow that, or not? I can live without exif, but I can't live without automatic focus magnification with manual focus...
Oh I guess it's not clear to me if it activates IBIS as well.

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Oct 13, 2021 at 05:26 PM

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p.3 #20 · p.3 #20 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

photonoclast wrote:
I was wondering if someone could educate folks like me who have never used adapters and don't know their limitations/capabilities. The way I focus with all my E mount CV lenses is (i) set the focus point, (ii) begin to move the focus ring, with the camera set up so the focus magnification kicks in automatically, and (iii) touch the shutter button to do a final check on the framing. Obviously only works on stationary subjects but it nails perfect focus unfailingly every single time. Now, will this lens (or the 75/1.5 which is very interesting) allow that, or not?...Show more →

You won't get auto magnification, auto-IBIS or EXIF transmission when adapted. That's about it.
So, you will have to add the FL manually for IBIS and press a button to magnify the area of focus instead.
In post, there are ways to add EXIF data to your images using apps like LensTagger (Lightroom plug-in), Exif Editor and others.

Oct 13, 2021 at 05:30 PM

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