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Archive 2021 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

  
 
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I do not have a picture of the gear but, yes, it is exactly that size. Nikkor H.C 50/2 or a 50mm f/1.8 AF Nikkor size.

EDIT:

OK, here it is.

Untitled by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr
Nikon Z6, Zony 35/2.8, Megadap



Dec 05, 2021 at 05:45 AM
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Snapped at ~1.2m distance. Nikon Z6, ISO400, f/5.6, handheld. Processed (minimal) through C1. Nikon Z6 does not have a lens setting for 90mm, so it is set as 100mm (for IBIS).

Untitled by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr



Dec 05, 2021 at 06:55 AM
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realVivek wrote:
Snapped at ~1.2m distance. Nikon Z6, ISO400, f/5.6, handheld. Processed (minimal) through C1. Nikon Z6 does not have a lens setting for 90mm, so it is set as 100mm (for IBIS).

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51725867126_ace088533c_h.jpgUntitled by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr


Shouldn’t it be set automatically or are you using a 3rd party adapter instead of FTZ?

And thanks for the picture comparing to the Nikkor 50



Dec 05, 2021 at 07:15 AM
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You are welcome. I only have Sony FE mount lenses (and adapters for various mounts to FE mount) and the very useful Megadap adapter. So, I have to manually input the focal length of the Skopar. Not a problem for me.


Dec 05, 2021 at 08:59 AM
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Juha Kannisto wrote:
Do you see noticeable differences with regards to OOF area in front of focus plan on these pairs?


Thank you very much. Yes, I do see differences. The foreground looks less nervous with IBIS off, in particular when comparing image #DSC08660 to #DSC08661.




Dec 06, 2021 at 11:19 AM
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Juha Kannisto wrote:
Do you see noticeable differences with regards to OOF area in front of focus plan on these pairs?

Ripolini wrote:
Thank you very much. Yes, I do see differences. The foreground looks less nervous with IBIS off, in particular when comparing image #DSC08660 to #DSC08661.


Yes, some differences seen between #DSC08660 to #DSC08661.

#DSC08660 (with IBIS) has a slightly sharper background (building details upper left and right sides). Either there was some slight manual focus change when the camera was adjusted to turn off IBIS (there are about 30 seconds between captures), or the movement of the sensor for IBIS affected the plane of focus slightly. Bottom left of DSC08660 is where I see the biggest differences. The non-IBIS image's rendering in this foreground area is still harsh but without the extra blur possibly induced by IBIS.

Between #DSC08629 and #DSC08630: DSC08630 has slightly better micro contrast/detail IMO. I.e. the tree's bark is sharper, the texture if the green equipment box is clearer, as are the leaves around it. OOF speculars in the background of DSC08630 have slightly more clearly defined edges in many places. In the most OOF areas of the foreground pavement, the OOF speculars seem slightly more defined in DSC08629. But there's also ~90 seconds difference between the two photos and potential variables at play, such as slight inadvertent adjustment of the lens's focusing ring, etc.

Juha, do you consider yourself to have good technique while shooting? Meaning, you have steady hands and concentrate on keeping the camera steady at the time of exposure even though the camera has IBIS? I only wonder a little because every so often I have seen signs of camera shake in an image, but usually at what otherwise would be a marginal shutter speed without the benefit of IBIS (IIRC there's one in the set of a sign shot around 1/20 that shows some camera shake). Also your preference for vertical compositions is a less comfortable way to hold most cameras. This simply meant as an observation and not as a criticism of your work, from which we all have much benefitted over the years of Voigtlander releases. I think we can all appreciate that these are walk around photos to given an impression and not locked-down test photos meant for rigorous technical analysis. To make rigorous comparisons is a whole other level of work/effort...



Dec 06, 2021 at 02:00 PM
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Tough audience.


Dec 06, 2021 at 02:26 PM
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rscheffler wrote:
Yes, some differences seen between #DSC08660 to #DSC08661.

#DSC08660 (with IBIS) has a slightly sharper background (building details upper left and right sides). Either there was some slight manual focus change when the camera was adjusted to turn off IBIS (there are about 30 seconds between captures), or the movement of the sensor for IBIS affected the plane of focus slightly. Bottom left of DSC08660 is where I see the biggest differences. The non-IBIS image's rendering in this foreground area is still harsh but without the extra blur possibly induced by IBIS.

Between #DSC08629 and #DSC08630: DSC08630 has slightly better micro
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I took a number of comparison shots and picked 2 pairs where the framing was as similar as I could get. I refocused for each shot using the magnified view (of course trying to achieve the same exact focus but there could be minimal differences) because I noticed there was some slight movement of the focus ring quite many times between shots while I was modifying camera settings. I do think I have relatively steady hands and I try to keep the camera steady at the time of exposure even though I'm using IBIS by default. The reason I use IBIS all the time (on cameras that have it) is that it helps to have a steady viewfinder image while focusing especially with longer lenses (like this 90mm) and I also prefer to keep ISO at 100 most of the time when shooting static targets with less regard to shutter speed with help from IBIS (e.g. even if shutter speed drops much lower than 1/fl). I do have a strong preference for shooting vertical compositions and I recognize that it's harder to keep camera perfectly steady when shooting in portrait orientation.

What I think might play some role is the relatively slow sensor scan speed of A7C in electronic (silent) shutter mode, which I think is somewhere around 1/15-1/30th sec. It's quite easy to get some shots where this slow sensor scan can affect the image when there is some slight movement during exposure and I think it might also play a bigger role when shooting with longer lenses. I'm not sure if it had any role in case of these images along with IBIS though.

With my A9 I got used to always shooting in silent mode with electronic shutter and I have continued shooting my A7C that way even though it has a much slower sensor scan speed. I prefer A7C for walkaround shooting and I like it's better dynamic range at ISO 100 as well. I only use EFCS (and anti-flicker on) on my A7C when shooting in artificial light where banding could easily occur with electronic shutter or when shooting some moving objects. EFCS could also impact bokeh at fast shutter speeds and I find it convenient to shoot with electronic shutter most of the time (similar to my Sigma fp as well which doesn't even have any mechanical shutter).



Dec 06, 2021 at 09:23 PM
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FWIW, when I mentioned IBIS affecting the bokeh, I pointed at OIS (aka OSS) of camera set ups on steady tripods yielding horrid backgrounds. That implied that Juha might have too steady of a handholding technique for the IBIS of the A7c and NOT the other way around!


rscheffler let his imagination run wild! Is the M11 coming with IBIS?



Dec 07, 2021 at 04:02 AM
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realVivek wrote:
FWIW, when I mentioned IBIS affecting the bokeh, I pointed at OIS (aka OSS) of camera set ups on steady tripods yielding horrid backgrounds. That implied that Juha might have too steady of a handholding technique for the IBIS of the A7c and NOT the other way around!

rscheffler let his imagination run wild! Is the M11 coming with IBIS?


Yeah, maybe my handholding technique is too good for IBIS I was in the Finnish army (compulsory military service) for 11 months almost 30 years ago and we did target practice shooting with assault rifles back then. I might be unconsciously using some of the same shooting techniques even now Anyhow, still feeling much steadier with IBIS when focusing with a 90mm lens (that's why I only have shorter focal lengths natively for my Sigma fp that has no IBIS, up to 70mm).



Dec 07, 2021 at 04:21 AM
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Just got one for review. Such lovely size/weight and performance so far.


Dec 07, 2021 at 08:58 PM
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Juha Kannisto wrote:
What I think might play some role is the relatively slow sensor scan speed of A7C in electronic (silent) shutter mode, which I think is somewhere around 1/15-1/30th sec. It's quite easy to get some shots where this slow sensor scan can affect the image when there is some slight movement during exposure and I think it might also play a bigger role when shooting with longer lenses. I'm not sure if it had any role in case of these images along with IBIS though.


Thanks for explaining your technique. In that case, I think refocusing between shots is one cause of the differences I saw. I also think slight sensor movement by IBIS during e-shutter capture could result in some slight distortions, but not sure if it's the reason for some of the differences, such as the slight change in bokeh quality.



Dec 07, 2021 at 09:02 PM
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I have not understood how much this lens costs.
US price is around 700 $; in Italy it's not available yet, but should cost less (579 € included 22% VAT), according to the website of the importer:
https://www.fotoimport.it/shop/voigtl%C3%A4nder/voigtlander-apo-skopar-90-mm-nero



Dec 08, 2021 at 04:23 AM
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It has been available in the EU but got sold out (except the very unappealing silver M mount version) where it showed up. Yes, that is the price for the F mount lens! Hard to believe.


Dec 08, 2021 at 04:50 AM
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I have an unquestionable impression that Voigtlader is introducing new glasses on the market and I am more and more convinced that the old ones will stay. Currently, twice as expensive, offers nothing extra, and even goes backwards. I understand I want an extra piece of track, but I can't match the Meyer Optik Gorlitz. By putting on his glasses, ZM resets his mind from being bogged down by Voigtlander. Where are these famous new designs? The biggest disappointment for me right now is the new Heliar. after such a shock, Voigtlander will not regain my trust for a long time. After I heard about the new 90mm design. I took the Color Heliara 75mm out of the bag.


Dec 08, 2021 at 05:41 AM
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realVivek wrote:
It has been available in the EU but got sold out (except the very unappealing silver M mount version) where it showed up. Yes, that is the price for the F mount lens! Hard to believe.


Thanks. Do you confirm the EU price being less than 600 Euro including VAT?



Dec 08, 2021 at 06:15 AM
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I am in the Netherlands and bought it locally and posted that €579 (2 years warranty) is the price. I did not preorder. I just happened to go to the site of a local vendor and saw it listed as available and bought one. An hour later it was all gone.

Ripolini wrote:
Thanks. Do you confirm the EU price being less than 600 Euro including VAT?





Dec 08, 2021 at 06:59 AM
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Thank you!


Dec 08, 2021 at 08:20 AM
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Mapcamera posted yesterday a short report on the lens with several photos using Nikon Z fc camera.

https://news.mapcamera.com/maptimes/%e3%80%90nikon%e3%80%91z-fcxf-lens-photo%e3%83%bcapo-skopar-90mm-f2-8-sl-iis%e3%83%bc/



Dec 08, 2021 at 02:08 PM
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My M-mount copy of the lens was delivered on Saturday from Cameraquest. I had gone out for a quick test on Sunday with my new A1 and I had forgotten to set the camera to magnify with MF lenses lacking electronic contacts and was unable to figure out how to set the camera till I got home.

So, I went out earlier today a little before sunset to Lock Ridge Park, Alburtis, PA and took these images below with my tripod mounted A1 camera using silent shutter. The lens appears to be quite sharp certainly in the center and I have to run additional tests including confirming that the lens is centered. The 3 images below were taken near the minimum focusing distance of the lens of red berries and were in part to test the Bokeh of the lens. Focus was on the front Red Berry in the center of the image. That way we could view focus in front and behind the berry. Unless I am mistaken, the photos are first f2.8, second f4, and third f5.6. Images are SOC with LR Default settings and only adjusted to size and changed to JPEG files. I personally think that the Bokeh of these images looks quite good.







f2.8







f4.0







f5.6




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