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Archive 2021 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

Fred Miranda wrote:
sell sell sell!

It's also a great alternative for Leica M shooters since the Leica 90/2.8 Elmarit was discontinued a while back. The new Voigtlander may affect the 90mm Elmarit's used prices.

Since I like to have both modern and vintage versions of key focal lengths, I’ll hang on to my Mandler-designed Elmarit-M 90/2.8.

Oct 12, 2021 at 06:37 PM

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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

I'm worried that I'm not going to have just cause to keep my much beloved set of Contax G lenses at this rate.

Oct 12, 2021 at 06:51 PM

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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

MAubrey wrote:
I'm worried that I'm not going to have just cause to keep my much beloved set of Contax G lenses at this rate.

Same boat. I thought it might be the 90i for me, but the G90 won out. I am watching this one though…

Oct 12, 2021 at 07:28 PM

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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

'so how soon is "very soon"? '

It would have to be within a few weeks, to head off Sony users buying the 'wrong' lens.

It's unlikely in my view. One, no simultaneous announcement. Two, an f2.8 lens with size/weight as major features. Three, the name is not APO-Lanthar. They know Sony users would expect an f2 lens with 'their' name, which was later migrated to the VM versions of the 35/50mm pair, and they would tolerate 350 grams as a standard.

Anything over 50mm is more likely than not to be just fine on Sony/Nikon, as we see in the VM 75/1.5. They now never miss an opportunity to include the text: 'can also be attached to Sony E-mount...'

Oct 12, 2021 at 07:30 PM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

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We already have 2 versions of the 35/2 APO. (E and M-mount)
Their optical design is tweaked taking in consideration sensor stack thickness for better perform off-axis on both sensors.
Yes, I have the E mount version of the 35/2. I was wondering about the possibility of an E-mount version of the 90/2.8, although my 85/4 Tele-Tessar is still fine--and paid for.

Oct 12, 2021 at 07:35 PM

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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

Very interesting but since I got the Sigma 90i recently and since this is not native to E-mount at least for now I'm not planning to go for it currently. I'd expect them to come up with a short to medium tele APO-Lanthar or APO-Skopar for E-mount at some point too.

Since this should come out in November I think they'll announce it soon but maybe not yet this week as Nokishita hasn't yet leaked anything about it.

The announcement for distributors seems to call the lens APO-LANTHAR right under the title on first page although it's APO-SKOPAR. It seems they weren't too sure how to name it or there was some copy-paste from previous lens announcements that they missed to update.

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Oct 12, 2021 at 07:48 PM

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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

Doesn't look anything like the old CV 90mm APO-Lanthar 3.5 for DSLRs.

Oct 12, 2021 at 07:55 PM

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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

zugzwang2 wrote:
Yes, I have the E mount version of the 35/2. I was wondering about the possibility of an E-mount version of the 90/2.8, although my 85/4 Tele-Tessar is still fine--and paid for.

That could be an easy one for Voigtlander and hopefully they will release an E-mount version in the future. However, it's not guaranteed as it didn't happen for the 75/1.5 Nokton even though it performs similarly on both sensors.

However, I think the new Voigt would encounter stiff competition from the cheaper Sigma 90/2.8 E-mount. The latter is equipped with 11 elements (vs 7), has tons of special glass, shares the same length, and it's only 50g heavier with AF.

For Sony shooters, Voigtlander will still appeal for those looking for even higher color correction (APO) and a helicoid manual focus feel. It will also provide defined sunstars starting at f/5.6. Flare resistance is a question mark for both but distortion control is not Sigma's forte.

Oct 12, 2021 at 07:57 PM

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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

genji wrote:
Since I like to have both modern and vintage versions of key focal lengths, I’ll hang on to my Mandler-designed Elmarit-M 90/2.8.

It's still a great lens even today. Sharp to the edges at f/2.8.

Oct 12, 2021 at 07:58 PM

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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

For Sony users, it would take out the 'lightest modern short MF telephoto' award. Sigma's 90/2.8 is 295 grams and carries a corrugated hood, around 40 grams as memory serves. This unit totals to 250g + 35g adapter + ~15g for a light Cosina hood = 300g, with tiny filters too.

Interesting to see the different approaches here. The Sigma 90/2.8 is a very complex and profile dependent lens of 11 elements in 10 groups (five are 'APD'), unheard of just a few years back in this class. Cosina gets there with - very likely - better glass as a more traditional 7/7 design, 2/3 of the complexity of the Sigma. It will be only Cosina's second APO lens with no asph elements, after the 110/2.5. Nothing like true MF, as well.

It's likely to show less distortion and may be useable without profiles if you are happy with a little wide open vignette, which many add in any event. Breathing may be welcome if it lengthens the focal length at portrait distances. (Sony's 85/1.8 ends up longer than many 90mm lenses, 13% breathing mag'n, Batis 85mm is similar.)

Less than Loxia 85 performance starting wide open would disappoint, that one is the benchmark here. Not long to wait, good to see they are moving in this neglected focal length region, for mix and match users it fits neatly between 75mm and 110mm.

Oct 12, 2021 at 08:05 PM

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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

teddoman wrote:
Doesn't look anything like the old CV 90mm APO-Lanthar 3.5 for DSLRs.

It looks more similar to the Voigtlander 90/3.5 APO-Lanthar "M-mount" version.

Both share the same 39mm filter thread and weigh about the same. The new CV 90/2.8 APO has an extra element, more special glass and is faster though. I wonder why Cosina didn't call the new lens APO-Lanthar.

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1626686/

Oct 12, 2021 at 08:12 PM

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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

Now we're talking. Please be low distortion and decently flat-fielded. Also crossing my fingers for their great flare suppression.

Oct 12, 2021 at 08:39 PM

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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

Fred Miranda wrote:
It looks more similar to the Voigtlander 90/3.5 APO-Lanthar "M-mount" version.

Both share the same 39mm filter thread and weigh about the same. The new CV 90/2.8 APO has an extra element, more special glass and is faster though. I wonder why Cosina didn't call the new lens APO-Lanthar.

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1626686/

I've never been able to tell what about the designs makes a Lanthar or a Skopar. I just always took Skopar to mean their compact line, which fits since this is 3cm shorter than the LTM APO-Lanthar 90.

Oct 12, 2021 at 08:47 PM

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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

freaklikeme wrote:
I've never been able to tell what about the designs makes a Lanthar or a Skopar. I just always took Skopar to mean their compact line, which fits since this is 3cm shorter than the LTM APO-Lanthar 90.

Historically, Skopar was the voigtländer name for a tessar…

Oct 12, 2021 at 09:36 PM

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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

Wow, only 250g. Tempted to pick one up for the Fuji & Nikon. Kind of irrational though as I usually prefer AF and zooms for tele..

Oct 13, 2021 at 02:10 AM

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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

I have a mint condition (discontinued) EF mount 90mm F3.5 complete with closeup lens to fill my CV 90mm needs.

Yes indeed where’s that CV 28mm APO in native E mount. Certainly a shortage of transistor chips is no excuse.

Oct 13, 2021 at 04:18 AM

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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

So is this in the Lathar or Skopar range? The document leaks don't make it exactly clear? Could this be the Skopar 90/2.8 with a Lathar 90/2 to follow? It would be a bit more consistent with the 35 and 50 options too.
Regardless it looks like a nice piece of craftsmanship! Not sure if it's for me though.

Oct 13, 2021 at 04:38 AM

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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

I really want 35mm and 50mm APO Skopars with F2.5 or F2.8 apertures.

Performance of the APO Lanthars but in a reasonable sized package. Drool….

Oct 13, 2021 at 05:09 AM

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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

philip_pj wrote:
For Sony users, it would take out the 'lightest modern short MF telephoto' award. Sigma's 90/2.8 is 295 grams and carries a corrugated hood, around 40 grams as memory serves. This unit totals to 250g + 35g adapter + ~15g for a light Cosina hood = 300g, with tiny filters too.

Interesting to see the different approaches here. The Sigma 90/2.8 is a very complex and profile dependent lens of 11 elements in 10 groups (five are 'APD'), unheard of just a few years back in this class. Cosina gets there with - very likely - better glass as a...Show more →

If you use a helicoid adapter to get close to the Sigmas MFD it’s more like 50-70 grams for the adapter, and the quality might suffer at closer distances.

Oct 13, 2021 at 05:56 AM

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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · Pre-order: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM and F-mount

Lee Paul wrote:
I really want 35mm and 50mm APO Skopars with F2.5 or F2.8 apertures.

Performance of the APO Lanthars but in a reasonable sized package. Drool….

Both of those slower APO-Skopars will no doubt be announced shortly after the APO-Lanthar 28/2 has been released.

Oct 13, 2021 at 12:46 PM

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