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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · R3 EF Lens Compatibility List with high-speed modes from Canon

I am not sure if this list has been posted here already

https://hk.canon/en/consumer/web/ef-lenses-compatible-to-eos-r3-max-continuous-shooting-speed

Sep 21, 2021 at 01:48 AM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · R3 EF Lens Compatibility List with high-speed modes from Canon

Interesting.
Where is the 400DOII? 800L is missing also.

The lists released for the R5/6 turned out to be missing a number of lenses in error. I wonder how accurate this list is this time around?

Also where does the 8FPS come from? All the reviews said 15FPS was the H setting??

Sep 21, 2021 at 07:20 AM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · R3 EF Lens Compatibility List with high-speed modes from Canon

So I found a more detailed list on Canon Japan. This list includes 400DOII. Otherwise it looks about the same.
Seems the 8FPS was probably a mistake on the HK site as 8FPS is the H setting for EFCS. 15FPS is for ES.

https://faq-canon-jp.translate.goog/app/answers/detail/a_id/102781?_x_tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem,sc

Should be noted that Aperture can affect getting 30FPS. Doesn't say it specifically but sounds like you should be shooting wide open to get 30FPS. The testing was done wide open and Aperture is listed as one of the things affecting 30FPS. Confirmation that battery charge doesn't affect any of the shutter type modes this time around.

Also of note: the lenses are the same for MS/EFCS and ES. With the R5/6 the lens lists were different and there were more lenses capable of 20FPS ES than there were for 12FPS MS/EFCS.

Sep 21, 2021 at 07:25 AM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · R3 EF Lens Compatibility List with high-speed modes from Canon

Hrm, interesting stuff. None of my 4 remaining EF lenses are there, 3 of which I didn't expect to be (17-40/4, 135/2, 50/1.2) but I am surprised the see the EF 70-200 2.8 Mk I is not, while the Mk II/III are present. I have the RF 70-200/4 so not a big deal, but am more curious what changed between the Mk I and Mk II that allows for 30fps on one vs the other. Wonder if it's firmware related..

Sep 23, 2021 at 08:20 AM

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Have they posted the resolution of the R3 yet?

Sep 23, 2021 at 08:47 AM

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Yup, reminds me of the move from fd to ef lenses except this one is in slow motion instead of all at once.

I find it really interesting that some very popular ef lenses (e.g. 50mm f1.4) are not compatible. I am guessing that by the time the next round of R-cameras is released, no ef lenses will be compatible.

This should be cautionary note for those building a large stable of ef lenses based on an “investment” theory (i.e. “lenses will maintain their value”). It has taken about 30 years for ef lenses to lose most of their monetary value (much less for ef lenses released in the last few years).

This just goes to show that loyalty is a one way thing for Canon. It has no shame in abandoning long-time customers!

Curt

Sep 23, 2021 at 09:00 AM

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amacal1 wrote:
Have they posted the resolution of the R3 yet?

24mp

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/products/details/cameras/eos-dslr-and-mirrorless-cameras/mirrorless/eos-r3

Sep 23, 2021 at 09:26 AM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · R3 EF Lens Compatibility List with high-speed modes from Canon

@umgrizz Sure, if you want to take an extreme view.

It's not that some lenses are incompatible with the R system. It's that some are not capable of achieving a given camera's maximum performance specifications. They'll still work. Just not as fast. This is not at all similar to how FD lenses were physically incompatible with the EF system (other than Canon's rare and costly optical converter/adapter that only worked with certain lenses). Is the reduced performance arbitrary to punish owners of old lens designs? IMO, no. It sounds like a constraint due to older electronics/components that are not sufficiently up to date. So yeah, it's Canon's fault for not keeping those lenses up to date to achieve maximum performance with the R system. Does it nudge EF users to transition to RF? Yes. But it does not outright abandon EF users.

Sep 23, 2021 at 09:31 AM

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umgrizz wrote:
Yup, reminds me of the move from fd to ef lenses except this one is in slow motion instead of all at once.

I find it really interesting that some very popular ef lenses (e.g. 50mm f1.4) are not compatible. I am guessing that by the time the next round of R-cameras is released, no ef lenses will be compatible.

This should be cautionary note for those building a large stable of ef lenses based on an “investment” theory (i.e. “lenses will maintain their value”). It has taken about 30 years for ef lenses to lose most of their monetary value...Show more →

When the R5 came out there was a list of lenses compatible with some of the high speed shooting modes. Not all EF lenses are on that one either. Any EF lens can be adapted to and will work with the R6,5,and 3.

As good at engineering as Canon is, I don't think they can go back in time and put a different aperture mechanism in your old lenses. The limitation is mechanical - how fast the iris can operate and how fast the AF motor can move. There are a number of articles about this around the 'net if you go look for them.

The EF 70-200F2.8 v1 is not compatible. The re-designed vII is, because it is mechanically different and the newer hardware can keep up. The vIII is the same exact lens as the vII, with only a change in the optical coatings used on the lens elements.

That every EF lens works, and works BETTER due to the improved AF system on the R series cameras and IBIS in some models, shows that Canon did us a great favor when they redisgned their mount. That every EF lens can't take advantage of 100% of the features of the new mount is just part of the inevitable march of technology.

Lenses are technology, and nothing technology based is suitable as an investment. Except in rare cases, lenses have never sold for more on the used market than they did new. The value exists only in the use you get from them. Anything you get for them on the used market is just a bonus.

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Sep 23, 2021 at 09:41 AM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · R3 EF Lens Compatibility List with high-speed modes from Canon

The one thing that is not made clear on the lists from HK or Japan is what FPS you get with a lens not on the list. Is it just a bit lower than 30? Is H+ unavailable and you have to use H at 15FPS?

Even if it is 15FPS that is still faster than every Canon DSLR other than the 1DXIII so I really don't think it is anything to complain about. Plus you get more accurate AF than you had on any DSLR other than the 1DXIII in LV.

I think Canon has done a great job keeping old lenses relevant.

Sep 23, 2021 at 12:02 PM

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amacal1 wrote:
Have they posted the resolution of the R3 yet?

Now ladies and gentlemen, here's a man who genuinely doesn't suffer from GAS

Sep 23, 2021 at 05:01 PM

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stanj wrote:
Now ladies and gentlemen, here's a man who genuinely doesn't suffer from GAS

lol.. I thought the same thing.

Sep 23, 2021 at 08:17 PM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · R3 EF Lens Compatibility List with high-speed modes from Canon

I don't understand why any EF lens would not be able to have similar FPS specs on the R3 in manual shutter mode as a Canon DSLR. Surely, Canon has the know-how to ensure that all EF lenses would not have lower FPS on the R3 in manual shutter mode.

jedibrain wrote:
When the R5 came out there was a list of lenses compatible with some of the high speed shooting modes. Not all EF lenses are on that one either. Any EF lens can be adapted to and will work with the R6,5,and 3.

As good at engineering as Canon is, I don't think they can go back in time and put a different aperture mechanism in your old lenses. The limitation is mechanical - how fast the iris can operate and how fast the AF motor can move. There are a number of articles about this around the 'net if...Show more →

Sep 24, 2021 at 03:40 AM

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Sage11 wrote:
I don't understand why any EF lens would not be able to have similar FPS specs on the R3 in manual shutter mode as a Canon DSLR. Surely, Canon has the know-how to ensure that all EF lenses would not have lower FPS on the R3 in manual shutter mode.

Unless a Canon engineer comes in and tells us, we may never know for sure. But it appears from the gear guys around the 'net that some changes were made to the AF and/or aperture mechanisms starting around 2012 (it appears most of the lenses on the high speed list were made after that). A few lenses on the high speed list for the 1DXIII that aren't on the list for the R series high speed modes are probably there because of the higher drive voltage that the 1DXIII can put out. The R3 may not have quite the amperage, despite using the same battery, because the rest of the camera is significantly more power hungry (as are all mirrorless). That last part is just speculation on my part though. Note also that the 1DXIII list has a few disclaimers on it too (shutter speed, max aperture, battery charge, etc).

The 5D series topped out at around 7fps with the 5D MKIV. The white H+ blinking mode on the R5/6 series is 6.8.
Effectively the same as DSLR performance.

I only have an R6, and of my lenses only the RF24-105F4LIS, EF 40mm 2.8 and EF 100-400 F4.5-5.6 vII can make the high (Green H+) speed mode. The rest are matching or exceeding the 6fps my 5DmkIII can do, and on top of that the buffer is way deeper making sustained bursts possible, and the keeper rate is much higher. An upgrade in every way.

Brian

Sep 24, 2021 at 08:57 AM

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Sep 24, 2021 at 09:33 AM

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stanj wrote:
Now ladies and gentlemen, here's a man who genuinely doesn't suffer from GAS

I sincerely wish that were true. Sadly, I am not immune to the effects of GAS. It's only that the R3 is WELL outside of my budget or needs.

That being said, I am a total gear nut, and have been trying to follow along with the news of the R3, but all of the forum threads have been speculative info that were started before the specs were nailed down, and I only followed for the first few pages before I grew weary of listening to yet another explanation of why the R3 HAD to be the high-mp monster or why it absolutely had no chance of being such. yawwwnnn

Once the specs dropped, no one has yet made a new thread on the R3 and what it actually is.

Sep 24, 2021 at 10:49 AM

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amacal1 wrote:
I sincerely wish that were true. Sadly, I am not immune to the effects of GAS. It's only that the R3 is WELL outside of my budget or needs.

That being said, I am a total gear nut, and have been trying to follow along with the news of the R3, but all of the forum threads have been speculative info that were started before the specs were nailed down, and I only followed for the first few pages before I grew weary of listening to yet another explanation of why the R3 HAD to be the high-mp monster or why...Show more →

Fred updated this main thread with all details and the last many pages are discussion after the official announcement on Sept 14th: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1707067

Sep 24, 2021 at 11:28 AM

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arbitrage wrote:
Fred updated this main thread with all details and the last many pages are discussion after the official announcement on Sept 14th: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1707067

Thanks. Though, the post immediately below that gives the specs as having 30.1 MP. The link is to Canon Rumors, so presumably that info is as well. But, Fred's link is to B&H and Explora, so if I didn't follow either of those links I wouldn't really know that that info is any more legit. (I supposed B&H's would have to be pretty legit, but still, I wouldn't really think that hard about it).

Sep 24, 2021 at 11:55 AM

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jedibrain wrote:
Unless a Canon engineer comes in and tells us, we may never know for sure. But it appears from the gear guys around the 'net that some changes were made to the AF and/or aperture mechanisms starting around 2012 (it appears most of the lenses on the high speed list were made after that). A few lenses on the high speed list for the 1DXIII that aren't on the list for the R series high speed modes are probably there because of the higher drive voltage that the 1DXIII can put out. The R3 may not have quite the amperage,...Show more →

jedibrain, back in May 2012 Canon issued a service notice for the EF 200 f/2L IS USM and EF 800mm f/5.6L IS USM Lenses when used with the just released Canon EOS 5D Mark III Digital SLR Camera. My EF 800mm was impacted by this but I did not have it serviced because I did not buy that body at the time. When I received the 2015 EOS 5Ds R it impacted that lens so I had it updated.

So your observation may be related to that.

Aug 31, 2022 at 07:54 PM


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