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I thought I'd start a proper thread for a small early impressions review and comparison of the Canon RF 14-35 F/4L IS USM, and not continue to talk about a myriad of topics in the "leaked image" thread (where the actual impressions start here [url]https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1706486/5[/url]).

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I did a back to back comparison between the RF 14-35 f/4L and the RF 15-35 f/2.8L. I performed two focal length progressions on each lens, one at f/8 and one at f/11, because I am primarily interested in comparing how their performance would differ in landscape shooting.

On the 14-35 the focal length markings are 14-20-24-28-35, on the 15-35 they are 15-20-24-28-35.

I started at each lens widest focal length, then zoomed the lens in tiny increments until I reached 20mm. After 20mm I only took comparisons at each marked focal length. So these progressions include everything from 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20 for each lens (well... 14mm is only on the 14-35).

If you'd like to take a look at these raw files yourself, and skip reading my analysis, feel free to download them at the Drive Link here



First Impressions

This lens is light, it feels great in the hands. It's very light, but it is extremely solid, and does not wobble even a little bit. It is very much like an RF 15-35 f/2.8L IS that has been shrunk down.

The lens minimum length is reached when it is at the 20mm position. It extends when zooming out from 20mm to 14mm or in from 20mm to 35mm.

Distortion and Sensor Coverage

Now, let's start up front with a discussion of the elephant in the room. Canon made a pretty significant optical trade off to make a lens of this size, weight, range, aperture, and with included image stabilization.

Specifically, this lens does not cover a full frame sensor at any focal length below 17mm. However, this is not the end of the story, more on this in the second post.

There are some other aspects of the distortion that I think are worth talking about in comparison to the RF 15-35 f/2.8.

First, the distortion of both lenses is not possible to correct in Lightroom. This is because neither lens has pure barrel distortion. Rather they have distortion that follows an aspherical pattern, they distort in the Z axis (near/far) and not only away/toward the center point of the lens.

However, the distortion of the RF 15-35 f/2.8 is not something I usually correct, it is minimal even at 15mm. The RF 14-35 f/4L is another matter entirely. It is not only not possible to correct in Lightroom, if you attempt to correct it, you will either have lots of remaining distortion, smeared corners, and still have curved lines where straight lines should be depending on which part of the frame the subject is in.

You can experiment with this yourself with the RAW files I've uploaded. If you try to get the concrete to be straight in the RF 14-35 using Lightrooms distortion control, you will only be able to get it level in EITHER the center OR the left side. The right side is a true curve in the concrete and should be bent.

Before this gets too long, here are a couple of gifs showing you:

1. Comparison of the uncorrected distortion at 15mm (reported by EXIF) on each lens.
2. Comparison of the distortion corrected images at 14mm, and 15mm. I was somewhat surprised to note that the RF 14-35 @ 15mm is quite a bit narrower than the RF 15-35 f/2.8 @ 15mm. I believe that this is due to EXIF reporting from the lens/camera, as I have a RAW file that matches more closely, but it is still labeled as 14mm in EXIF.

The angle of view from widest to narrowest goes:

Widest - 14mm on the RF 14-35mm f/4
Next widest - 15mm on the RF 15-35mm f/2.8
Narrowest - 15mm on the RF 14-35mm f/4.

Again, I believe this is more a matter of how the focal lengths are reported by the RF 14-35 as you can obviously just zoom out a bit from 15mm to have the same angle of view as the RF 15-35mm.

Additional Note: The distortion corrected images were produced by Canon Digital Photo Professional as that is the only valid method to obtain proper distortion correction for the RF 14-35mm f/4 as of this writing. These were shot at f/11.





Uncorrected comparison at 15mm on each lens







Corrected comparison at 14mm and 15mm on each lens




Aug 28, 2021 at 06:22 PM
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Here is the progression from 14mm to 20mm. These are uncorrected images exported from Lightroom with no adjustments other than to normalize white balance.

You can see that the shadow from the edge of the image circle only disappears once you reach 17mm.

However, I would say that by 16mm, the shadow from the edge of the image circle has dissipated enough that you could choose to leave it uncorrected in many scenarios. However, 14mm and 15mm are quite bad.




















































Aug 28, 2021 at 06:39 PM
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Here is the same progression with the RF 15-35 f/2.8L IS USM. No vignette or distortion correction applied.




















































Aug 28, 2021 at 06:58 PM
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Early Thoughts

I haven't come to a final conclusion about how I feel about this lens for my own photography / videography.

I haven't gone out and done any real photography with this lens yet. I have not even taken a picture with it focused to infinity.

However, my initial reactions are:

  1. I wish that Canon had chosen a narrower focal range, a tiny 14-24 f/4 with better optical performance would have been fantastic
  2. I'm not thrilled with the loss of detail in the corners and edges due to the aggressive distortion correction required
  3. The lens may actually be a great companion for the RF 24-105 or just to pair with the RF 70-200 f/4L
  4. I am hoping that I am more wowed by this lens in real world use, currently I am feeling like I will be sending it back
  5. Sharpness over most of the frame is actually quite wonderful, and I think that it's possible I won't care much about the problems the lens has
  6. I haven't observed any real issues with LoCA or LaCA




Aug 28, 2021 at 07:05 PM
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14 isn't that much wider compared to the 15-35 f2.8. The f2.8 lens looks to be the better option if you don't mine the extra weight and price.


Aug 28, 2021 at 07:14 PM
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Thank you for your obviously very thorough comparison. Based on my very few very casual indoor shots wide open, corrected with LR profiles, it is plenty sharp for its tiny size, for what I shoot (not brick walls). I am curious to see what DXO will be able to do with it once they get it characterized. I see the 14-35 + 24-105 and 15-35 + 24-70 as two perfectly fine pairings (with matching filters) for different purposes.


Aug 28, 2021 at 07:16 PM
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Thanks this is very helpful!!!
Look in at the uncorrected images, the vignetting seems very strong with the 14-35mm at 15mm, and really don’t notice it with the 15-35 (am looking on My iphone right now, so may be noticeable when I look at my computer at home).
I like that you have the white foreground - that would be like a lot of winter landscapes with snow, which I was afraid would become to dark in the corners, based on the reported 2 to 3 stops vignetting even when stopped down.
On the plus side I can’t really see the vignetting in the corrected image. It is strange how the corrected images at 15mm the 15-35L seems wider. Could that be because the amount of correction being applied is much greater than the 14-35L?

Jesse Evans wrote:
I thought I'd start a proper thread for a small early impressions review and comparison of the Canon RF 14-35 F/4L IS USM, and not continue to talk about a myriad of topics in the "leaked image" thread (where the actual impressions start here [url]https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1706486/5[/url]).

Raw and Full Resolution Files

I did a back to back comparison between the RF 14-35 f/4L and the RF 15-35 f/2.8L. I performed two focal length progressions on each lens, one at f/8 and one at f/11, because I am primarily interested in comparing how their performance would differ in landscape shooting.

On the 14-35 the
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Aug 28, 2021 at 08:12 PM
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Pretty appalling for a $1700 lens! Reminds me of the 24-105mm 7.1 kit zoom when uncorrected.


Aug 28, 2021 at 08:16 PM
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How happy (weight/size issues aside) with the 15-35L?

Jesse Evans wrote:
Early Thoughts

I haven't come to a final conclusion about how I feel about this lens for my own photography / videography.

I haven't gone out and done any real photography with this lens yet. I have not even taken a picture with it focused to infinity.

However, my initial reactions are:

  1. I wish that Canon had chosen a narrower focal range, a tiny 14-24 f/4 with better optical performance would have been fantastic
  2. I'm not thrilled with the loss of detail in the corners and edges due to the aggressive distortion correction required
  3. The lens may actually be a great companion for the RF
  4. I am hoping that I am more wowed by this lens in real world use, currently I am feeling like I will be sending it back
  5. Sharpness over most of the frame is actually quite wonderful, and I think that it's possible I won't care much about the problems the lens has
  6. I haven't observed any real issues with LoCA or LaCA

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Aug 28, 2021 at 08:16 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Canon RF 14-35 f/4L IS USM Ongoing Review


I imported your images into Lightroom and there is no lens profile yet. I'm sure things will look better once Adobe released an update.


Aug 28, 2021 at 08:20 PM
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But I would think that the lens corrections in DPP should be better than what LR would add. So I can’t see how the lens corrections would get better later?

Mike_5D wrote:
I imported your images into Lightroom and there is no lens profile yet. I'm sure things will look better once Adobe released an update.




Aug 28, 2021 at 08:42 PM
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Mike_5D wrote:
I imported your images into Lightroom and there is no lens profile yet. I'm sure things will look better once Adobe released an update.

khurram1 wrote:
But I would think that the lens corrections in DPP should be better than what LR would add. So I can’t see how the lens corrections would get better later?


DPP doesn't have the best lens correction (speaking in general), DXO does. Correction in LR is hit and miss, some lenses are better than others. There may or may not be a version of LR out there that already has the profiles and I have a feeling that people will be happy with the results. I like the 14-35 better than the EF16-35L. Compared to the 15-35 I don't think there's a clear winner. Maybe I have a crappy 15-35, maybe I have a stellar 14-35, maybe my standards are wrong, but personally I see nothing afoul with this lens. Then again I'm known for liking the 24-240.

The air outside is downright toxic where I live, plus I'm recovering from surgery, so I won't shoot any brick walls with a tripod anytime soon, but based on shooting around (and outside) my house, this is the best UWA lens per cubic centimeter that I have ever used.



Aug 28, 2021 at 09:36 PM
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stanj wrote:
this is the best UWA lens per cubic centimeter that I have ever used.


That’s a hilarious metric, and I love it 😄



Aug 28, 2021 at 11:43 PM
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khurram1 wrote:
But I would think that the lens corrections in DPP should be better than what LR would add. So I can’t see how the lens corrections would get better later?



I don't have DPP installed so I can't comment. My post was in response to the thread starter saying that LR can't correct the images. I didn't have any luck with LR's manual lens sliders either: Even +100 vignette correction didn't remove the black corners. But I would expect to get better results once LR has a profile for this lens.



Aug 28, 2021 at 11:47 PM
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stanj wrote:
Compared to the 15-35 I don't think there's a clear winner. Maybe I have a crappy 15-35, maybe I have a stellar 14-35, maybe my standards are wrong, but personally I see nothing afoul with this lens.


On this, I disagree. The 15-35 when shot side by side has an obvious advantage outside of the middle 30% of the frame. Not only in distortion and vignetting but in detail, mostly due to the distortion correction required to cover the sensor on the 14-35. Maybe you do have a particularly bad copy of the 15-35 but it’d have to be very decentered to look like the 14-35. When distortion is left uncorrected, the 14-35 is every bit as sharp as the 15-35 tho.

At this point I’m not really sure what about this lens justifies the price tag, or the L moniker. It is definitely not the optical performance. I’ve never seen such an expensive lens that isn’t capable of covering the image sensor.



Aug 28, 2021 at 11:54 PM
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Mike_5D wrote:
I don't have DPP installed so I can't comment. My post was in response to the thread starter saying that LR can't correct the images. I didn't have any luck with LR's manual lens sliders either: Even +100 vignette correction didn't remove the black corners. But I would expect to get better results once LR has a profile for this lens.


I am aware Lightroom doesn’t have a profile yet. That is why I explained that the distortion slider cannot fix this lens distortion correctly. The distortion is too complex to be fixed by sliders.

You cant fix the vignette at 14 or 15mm without distortion correction applied as there is simply no light hitting the corners of the sensor at these focal length.



Aug 28, 2021 at 11:57 PM
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Jesse Evans wrote:
Maybe you do have a particularly bad copy of the 15-35 but it’d have to be very decentered to look like the 14-35. When distortion is left uncorrected, the 14-35 is every bit as sharp as the 15-35 tho.


Indeed I may have a crappy 15-35, but I can assure you that the 14-35 when corrected the way I have it corrected (that I can't post) it's pretty darn sharp at 200% in the corners wide open... I have some super attractive high voltage power lines in my back yard that are actually bringing power to your neighborhood, and when I put them in the upper left corner of the frame at f4 they look better than real life

I understand the math and physics enough to know that there's no replacement for displacement, I mean once you start stretching pixels to make up for distortion, you're losing resolution and overall image quality. Same with vignetting - once you start correcting for that, you lose contrast and increase noise big time. The 14-35 corrects for vignetting far better than the famed and loved 28-70 (that I also have), and nobody seems to have a knot in their panties about that aspect of the lens (LR vignetting correction of the 28-70 is awful at best).

So yeah, so far, I think the 14-35 has better sharpness than the EF16-35/4L, better vignetting correction than 28-70, good distortion correction with the proper profiles, and is the smallest UWA zoom ever, so it's a keeper.



Aug 29, 2021 at 12:03 AM
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Is it true that the 14-35 is actually wider than 14 mm so that when corrected and cropped, it's still delivering a 14 mm FOV? If so, what is the advantage to that vs just building a 14mm lens that can cover the entire sensor? How many megapickles does this cropping cost?


Aug 29, 2021 at 12:09 AM
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Jesse Evans wrote:
I am aware Lightroom doesn’t have a profile yet. That is why I explained that the distortion slider cannot fix this lens distortion correctly. The distortion is too complex to be fixed by sliders.


Basing image quality judgement on adjustments made with the manual sliders, compared to "proper profiles" for other lenses, is flawed at best. Either wait for LR with the profiles, wait for people who post photos processed with beta profiles, or make your own profiles (I have the required Adobe targets in my garage, very much to my wife's bewilderment, and the now discontinued software in my archives). I know you're doing the best you can right now, but it's really not an objective comparison.



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Mike_5D wrote:
Is it true that the 14-35 is actually wider than 14 mm so that when corrected and cropped, it's still delivering a 14 mm FOV? If so, what is the advantage to that vs just building a 14mm lens that can cover the entire sensor? How many megapickles does this cropping cost?


This is done more and more often. The first major offender was the 24-240, that is maybe 20mm at the wide end, and looks absolutely terrible uncorrected - but once you correct it, it's pretty darn good. I have one and love it. The 14-35 is definitely in this same camp, albeit far less "offensive".

How much you lose is a difficult question to answer because it is mainly about perception. If you lose 10% of the frame but the remaining 90% are "razor sharp", vs. you take a classic lens, such as the 14L prime that has to render the whole frame perfectly, but is far from razor sharp - which is better? I take the corrected one any day.

Why are they doing this? Because in order to correct a lens optically (the old way) requires more glass, which weighs more, is bigger, costs more, and in the end typically ends up with a worse image. A simpler lens design that is super sharp but otherwise flawed in a way that needs to be corrected in software is in the end superior. Us photographers need to get used to this new way of thinking just like we have to deal with the atrocious latency of an EVF, inherent inability to acquire focus with a completely defocused lens, ridiculous battery life, etc. You know where I'm going with it: some people will never give up their cameras with mirrors, and some will always want to have the full image circle perfectly imaged, and that's a fair personal choice or requirement.



Aug 29, 2021 at 12:19 AM
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