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khurram1 wrote:
Ordinarily by this time of the year, wildfires are under more control - is this year worse for you guys?? every year we see reports of wildfires in California, but it sounds like it’s worse this year.


I'll take the risk of replying to an off-topic but important question. Even compared to the very bad fire situation of the past few years here in California (and the West, really), the current situation is essentially off-the-charts bad.

Vegetation throughout the state is at record dry levels, is in "never before measured this low." Aside from the coastal areas (where I live), temperatures have consistently been above average, sometimes by a significant amount. In a normal year there would still be some snowpack left in the highest parts of the Sierra, but it is essentially all gone. Water rationing is either already in place or coming very soon to many areas of the state. Central Valley farmers continue to dig deeper and deeper wells, emptying aquifers and causing land settling that in some places amounts to many feet of elevation change.

Because of the dryness and heat, the fire season started early and with some exceptionally large (as in record-breaking) fires. The Dixie fire is one of those — it started well down on the west side of the range and crossed the crest to descend to US 395 and beyond on the east side. As I type this the Caldor fire has burned to the crest and is crossing it near the south end of Lake Tahoe. Mandatory evacuations and evacuation warnings are already in place in parts of the Tahoe basin.

The "fire season" in California has never been precisely bounded, but in the past the scariest time was typically from perhaps the second half of August through perhaps the middle of October. This is due to a combination of seasonal drying, heat, and the arrival of our "offshore" (from the northeast) seasonal winds that bring hot and dry conditions. Let's say that this was perhaps as long as about eight weeks in the past. This year the fire conditions (absent the offshore winds, which is a scary observation by itself) were dire by the beginning of July, perhaps six weeks early. Last year the danger period extended well into November or, arguably, even December. So instead of an eight-week danger period we are now looking at potentially twice that long or more.

I've lived in California for decades and I've traveled around the state for most of my life, including a lot (a whole lot!) of time in the Sierra. I've seen fires before, and I've seen their aftermath. But I've never seen anything close to what is going on now. It is quite scary, actually.



Aug 30, 2021 at 02:18 PM
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khurram1 wrote:
Ordinarily by this time of the year, wildfires are under more control - is this year worse for you guys?? every year we see reports of wildfires in California, but it sounds like it’s worse this year.


Every year is worse than the previous. The fire season always goes into October or November, when the first rains come. The question is when it starts - and it starts earlier and earlier. This year it was April.



Aug 30, 2021 at 03:00 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
I'll take the risk of replying to an off-topic but important question. Even compared to the very bad fire situation of the past few years here in California (and the West, really), the current situation is essentially off-the-charts bad.

Vegetation throughout the state is at record dry levels, is in "never before measured this low." Aside from the coastal areas (where I live), temperatures have consistently been above average, sometimes by a significant amount. In a normal year there would still be some snowpack left in the highest parts of the Sierra, but it is essentially all gone. Water rationing is
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Most of my life California’s fire season was far more of a localized affair. Starting with the Napa/Sonoma/Santa Rosa fires in 2017, it seems that we’ve entered an era of fires so large that more than half the state have concerning air quality for essentially 4 months of the year. This year the smoke even managed to make it to the east coast.

It is truly heartbreaking to see what’s happening in Tahoe.



Aug 30, 2021 at 03:02 PM
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Yikes - I didn’t realize it was that bad this year! I hope you guys get some rain and things get under control. We’ve see. Progressively wildfires get progressively worse in. Western Canada, the last 5-6 years, and have air quality issues, but not to the same extent, if you aren’t actually in the epicentre.


Aug 30, 2021 at 04:34 PM
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Well. I got the call that the 14-35L I was on a pre-list for was in. Had to decide to purchase or pass. I pulled the trigger, hopefully it gets shipped tomorrow, will post my impressions once I receive and have some time to process files. I’m going to Jasper over the long weekend and I hope it arrives before that. I’m really wanting to like this lens - the size oils be a huge advantage over my 11-34L. I’ll provide my impressions, so that I can be as helpful as some of those other early adopters have been!

Meanwhile, I’d love to see more reviews and feedback on the lens.



Aug 30, 2021 at 06:12 PM
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One other question regarding the 14-35L (hoping mine arrives by a Friday!). Do you need to update the firmware on the R5 to ensure the lens profiles exist, or I’ll those just be communicated directly by the lens?? I’ve held off on updating the latest firmware from now and just wondering if I need to update before the lens arrives.


Aug 31, 2021 at 12:03 AM
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khurram1 wrote:
Question for Jesse, Stan and Ketang, from your impression using the lens, how effective do you think the vignetting and in-camera/software corrections would be for handling snow/ice foregrounds like the ones in the sample pictures I posted. Would detail in the corners be lost Would the snow in the corners still be darker/grayer?

Decisions, decisions!!! I hope you guys keep posting more examples and if you can, it would be great to get some apples to apples comparison of what sunstars look like!


I think the corrections will be sufficient. Here are three 14mm images below that might help. Each is 14mm f/4 (worst vignetting) from the same raw file but processed differently.

(1) In-camera R5 conversion, mandatory distortion correction, peripheral illumination correction off
(2) Same as above but peripheral illumination correction on
(3) ACR conversion with hard vignetting mostly cropped, some left in, exposure adjustments but not specific vignetting correction and no lens profile available

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-KBSQtBT/0/a2d017db/X4/i-KBSQtBT-X4.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-mRcR8M7/0/f375f410/X3/i-mRcR8M7-X3.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-QzLmvjx/0/bb9133bd/X4/i-QzLmvjx-X4.jpg

As you can see, the ACR image is wider even after a bit of cropping. I like having the optional to crop a bit with some vignetting (I often add some vignette to most of my images) and get an image wider than 14mm. For the in-camera versions, the distortion profile crops out all the hard vignetting and perhaps applies some peripheral illumination correction. When you affirmatively turn "on" the peripheral illumination correction it removes the "normal" vignetting you'd see with any other lens. I think that the future ACR profile will be able to do the same and you won't have issues with even snowscapes because after the corrections the hard vignetting is gone and its still wider than my 15mm prime.

To answer your later question, I didn't do a firmware update specifically for the 14-35, perhaps they accounted for it in the latest firmware or its communicated by the lens alone.



Aug 31, 2021 at 05:15 AM
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For those interested in astro I did try an image last night. It turns out the sky wasn't totally clear and so I had to crush the shadows a bit to to dehaze out some light clouds. The castle against the sky has some street lights illuminating it meaning there is some light pollution and I would have been constrained in exposing it along with the sky in a single frame even with a faster lens. I shot this at 14mm, f/4 in bulb mode at around 16 seconds which seemed to be the max before stars in the center started to stretch. I processed it in ACR and cropped out the hard vignetting, so you aren't seeing the extreme corners. Below is a link to the full-resolution version followed by a resized one inline. I saw a bit of stretching at the edges, but that could be the shutter speed. I don't see much coma, if any. Not my first choice for astro due to the narrow maximum aperture, but I think it would work if your conditions are ideal.

Full-resolution (copy and paste URL):
"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-GJ96TvF/0/caf5d0ee/O/i-GJ96TvF.jpg"

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-GJ96TvF/0/caf5d0ee/5K/i-GJ96TvF-5K.jpg



Aug 31, 2021 at 05:22 AM
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Thanks Ketang. That was very useful for folks like me who prefer JPEGs out of the R5. I like the pics with the peripheral illumination on. Placed my order with BH today. No clue when I will get the 14-35.


Aug 31, 2021 at 07:09 AM
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Thanks for the answer on the firmware (going to Jasper NP, and don’t want to risk issues with new firmware yet), as well as further examples I think fir this shot (at least viewing on phone l), vignetting works l, and I think I like the processing on the last one the best )more pop and contrast).
When you say you processed using ACR, is that within LR?

ketang wrote:
I think the corrections will be sufficient. Here are three 14mm images below that might help. Each is 14mm f/4 (worst vignetting) from the same raw file but processed differently.

(1) In-camera R5 conversion, mandatory distortion correction, peripheral illumination correction off
(2) Same as above but peripheral illumination correction on
(3) ACR conversion with hard vignetting mostly cropped, some left in, exposure adjustments but not specific vignetting correction and no lens profile available

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-KBSQtBT/0/a2d017db/X4/i-KBSQtBT-X4.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-mRcR8M7/0/f375f410/X3/i-mRcR8M7-X3.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-QzLmvjx/0/bb9133bd/X4/i-QzLmvjx-X4.jpg

As you can see, the ACR image is wider even after a bit of cropping. I like having the optional to crop a bit with some vignetting (I often add some
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Aug 31, 2021 at 07:29 AM
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khurram1 wrote:
Thanks for the answer on the firmware (going to Jasper NP, and don’t want to risk issues with new firmware yet), as well as further examples I think fir this shot (at least viewing on phone l), vignetting works l, and I think I like the processing on the last one the best )more pop and contrast).
When you say you processed using ACR, is that within LR?



Yes ACR is the same as LR, it’s the name for the raw conversion interface within Photoshop.



Aug 31, 2021 at 08:53 AM
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ketang wrote:
Yes ACR is the same as LR, it’s the name for the raw conversion interface within Photoshop.


Small point of clarification for folks who may not be photoshop users. While raw conversion and other post-processing all take place within one program in Lightroom, Photoshop uses a separate application for raw conversion. Photoshop users typically organize and select photographs in the Bridge program. From there we open them in the Adobe Camera Raw application to do the conversion. (And, yes, it uses the same conversion engine used in Lightroom.) Then we open the converted file in Photoshop.

In Lightroom: Lightroom does everything.

In Photoshop: Bridge -> ACR -> Photoshop

Adobe has done a useful job of integrating these applications so that they can be used somewhat independently or treated as a cooperating set. For example, when I open my raw files in ACR to convert them, I can either export the converted images as a separate file or (as is my preference) open them as smart layers in Photoshop... which allows me to seamlessly reopen files in ACR for touch up even as I work on them in Photoshop.

Hope that make sense to the non-Photoshop users.

Dan

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Aug 31, 2021 at 09:28 AM
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Just sharing since it may be relevant to those watching this thread.. the RF 15-35 2.8 is in stock at Canon Direct. I've got my pre-order in for the 14-35 at B&H, but in the mean time I figured I'd pick the 15-35 up.


Aug 31, 2021 at 11:24 AM
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Don't think I need to crop/correct the vignetting on this one. 14mm f/6.3, handheld:

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Z9Bq9qj/0/b92cbe7a/X3/i-Z9Bq9qj-X3.jpg



Aug 31, 2021 at 04:24 PM
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Once I fully edit my Spain images I will start or contribute to an image thread for this lens. Until then, here are some non-final edits for those interested in samples:

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-MFmkz8F/0/b1f4b640/X3/i-MFmkz8F-X3.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-c2DMcN8/0/12f6fe12/X4/i-c2DMcN8-X4.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-wj6kzkT/0/f80e48f5/X4/i-wj6kzkT-X4.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-tDLW9Fd/0/a76e1d21/X3/i-tDLW9Fd-X3.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-w8fF38s/0/745fbe7a/X3/i-w8fF38s-X3.jpg



Sep 02, 2021 at 02:35 PM
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ketang wrote:
Once I fully edit my Spain images I will start or contribute to an image thread for this lens. Until then, here are some non-final edits for those interested in samples:

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-MFmkz8F/0/b1f4b640/X3/i-MFmkz8F-X3.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-c2DMcN8/0/12f6fe12/X4/i-c2DMcN8-X4.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-wj6kzkT/0/f80e48f5/X4/i-wj6kzkT-X4.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-tDLW9Fd/0/a76e1d21/X3/i-tDLW9Fd-X3.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-w8fF38s/0/745fbe7a/X3/i-w8fF38s-X3.jpg


Really like the 3rd and last shots! Last shot in particular is great.

Having said that - next time i make a trip like my Italy trip a few years ago, I definitely will need to get a tilt shift again.



Sep 02, 2021 at 11:29 PM
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I just got my lens in today, and am leaving for Jasper after work tomorrow. Just trying it out - wow - it is VERY small.

One question I did have for those that got their lens. When you setup the lens Aberration correction, di d you only have options for Peripheral Illum Corr and Digital Lens Optimizer? My Distortion correction is greyed out. Is that the case for others I'm not sure if its because my firmwares aren't up to date.

I am running the following firmwares right now:
-Camera 1.3.0 (I know that there has been a new firmwared, just hesitant on installing before trip)
-Lens Ver 1.02
-Battery Grip Ver 1.0.0



Sep 02, 2021 at 11:35 PM
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khurram1 wrote:
I just got my lens in today, and am leaving for Jasper after work tomorrow. Just trying it out - wow - it is VERY small.

One question I did have for those that got their lens. When you setup the lens Aberration correction, di d you only have options for Peripheral Illum Corr and Digital Lens Optimizer? My Distortion correction is greyed out. Is that the case for others I'm not sure if its because my firmwares aren't up to date.

I am running the following firmwares right now:
-Camera 1.3.0 (I know that there has been a new firmwared, just
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You cannot disable distortion correction in camera or in Canon DPP.



Sep 02, 2021 at 11:47 PM
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Jesse Evans wrote:
You cannot disable distortion correction in camera or in Canon DPP.


Ok. Got you. So it's always on - which was mentioned in earlier threads. I thought if it was greyed out in camera, it was off. Thanks for clarifying!!



Sep 03, 2021 at 12:16 AM
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khurram1 wrote:
Ok. Got you. So it's always on - which was mentioned in earlier threads. I thought if it was greyed out in camera, it was off. Thanks for clarifying!!


Good luck on your trip! I hope there is a lens profile for this in Lightroom by the time you get back 🤣



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