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 p.3 #14 · p.3 #14 · How/when did Sony lose exclusivity to stacked sensors? | |
NikonClio64 wrote:
This is clearer. You do not use NIkon gear. You have no experience of the Nikon Z9, So you have zero images of your own, which demonstrate how the Z9 fails you. Nevertheless. a relatively obscure feature of the electronics brings you into a Nikon forum devoting a string of posts to condemn its capabilities.....
I recall early last year there were particular conditions identified that might cause slight banding in Z9 images. True to type, Sony trolls jumped on the reports to condemn the Z9 and bash Nikon in general. Apart from leaf shutters, Mechanical shutters have always struggled with banding under certain artificial lighting conditions, which is then very challenging to fix - if at all.
Sony trolls and other Nikon bashers are also unlikely to know Nikon updated the firmware to mitigate such issues in the Z9 under artificial lights to tune shutter speed to a particular frequency of the light source. So once again Nikon engineers delivered an innovation exploiting fine tuning in the electronic shutter to solve such studio challenges. Obviously the informed Z9 owners who actually use the camera know the solution for stills and videography under LEDs etc
Reliable reviews and technical manuals explain why the fully electronic Z9 shutter has no problems for Pro photographers relying on the Nikon Z9 for income. Same applies to sports Pro in stadiums at night - such as the rank and file of Agence France-Presse, who collaborated with Nikon engineers to develop and test the Z9 (following up on their previous inputs developing and testing the D6 etc). All features considered, the Nikon Z9 is yet another of Nikon's robust, weatherproofed professional ILC, which has taken digital photography to a new standard.
First and foremost, the fully electronic shutter is proof of concept, launching Nikon's new direction in engineering its cameras. This fact might well threaten camera-brand puritans prone to Nikon induced insecurity.
Significant cost saver in manufacture, and enables the full house of imaging up to 120 fps; with PreCapture etc. As already mentioned Nikon exploited the freed up design space in the 16mm Z mount flange for the mechanical protector - yet another key innovation from Nikon. There's obviously no shutter slap; reliable Silent-Shooting at the fastest shutter speeds 1/32000 etc etc
For Z9 owners relatively new to the camera, who might be mislead by the trolling on image banding etc - here are links to reliable informed advice, and also Thom Hogan's ebook on the Nikon Z9
https://photographylife.com/reviews/nikon-z9/5
https://blog.kasson.com/z9/how-fast-is-the-z9-shutter/
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66343541
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Once again you are very mistaken on a number of levels. I am not trolling or bashing. I am only discussing misinformation in a post you made. Overall I am a big fan of both Nikon and the Z9. My posts about the Z9 generally are by far more positive than anything else.
I have been shooting primarily electronic shutter since 2017. Yep almost about years now.
I have spent a good deal of time shooting on the Z9. You may be surprised by how early this started. There are those on this site who know.
By the way features like "imaging up to 120 fps; with PreCapture etc." have nothing to do with deleting the mechanical shutter. They are a function of the speed of a stacked sensor, and the ability to shoot with electronic shutter. All of the mechanical shutter optional cameras have the potential to do this as evidenced by such implimentations in cameras that do offer an optional mechanical shutter. Once again you confuse the ability to shoot with electronic shutter with the inability to shoot with mechanical shutter. They are independant of each other.
I am fully aware of each and every one of the firmware updates that have been released for the Z9. When the Z9 was first released it was lacking some core functionality inportant to shooting without a mechanical shutter. The competition pretty much all offered these features in their stacked sensor cameras prior to the Z9 release. This has been acknowledged by many including Nikon itself. This is the reason for the firmware updates you reference. What you fail to acknowledge is that the functionality released in the firmware doesn't adress all of the defeciencies in shooting ES in some situations. This is true of all implimentations, from all the companies. That is the only reason the other companies retain the option of mechnaical shutters in their cameras. Nikon is the only one who doesn't. It is my opinion that this constitutes a deletion, and offers zero advantage over the cameras that offer mechanical shutter as an option. That is all, no more sinsiter an adgenda than that.
You seem to have lost sight of the reason we are having this discussion at all. You made the claim that this lack of a mechanical shutter in the Z9 somehow proved that Nikon designed their own sensor. It is my position that this is no indication of that.
The ability to shoot without a mechanical shutter without losing too many features, and without producing too many artifacts, is an inherant capability of all stacked sensors. This is because of the fast scan times of stacked sensors. This is not a Nikon innovation. It has been done by many camera companies prior to the Z9, and for many years now. A company can buy off the shelf Sony (and other) stacked sensors with this capability. That is the point of this discussion regarding your false claim on the subject.
By the way, the articles you reference deal only with a single problematic light source in the frame/enviornment. When there are multiple such light surces the availbel timing functions don't fix it. You can only tune to the frequency of a single source. At that point the proper solution is to revert to a mechanical shutter. It also doen't address every situation perfecty, but it reduces the problems in a significant way. That is why I didn't say that Nikon's shutterless imlimentation is inherently bad. I said it wasn't my favorite, and I prefered others. Once again, that is not bashing or trolling. Throwing those term around sloppily weakens their meaning for when it is truely happening.
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