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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Considering switching to Olympus


My wife and I are hobby photographers, mostly wildlife.
We're invested in Canon..90D x2, 7DII x 2, 5DIII x 2.
About 95% of the time we're using the 90Ds with a Canon 100-400II with 1.4XIII extenders attached.
I'm 75 and my wife is 67 and camera/lens weight is starting to be a problem so lighter cameras and lenses sounds inviting.
We're thinking the OM-D E-MX1 and the OM-D E-M1 MarkIII and the 100-400s and possibly the new 150-400.

I've been really impressed with Imagemasters photos.

Any thoughts one way or the other on switching?

Thanks

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May 29, 2021 at 09:25 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Considering switching to Olympus


You are posting the the M43 forum, which will definitely have a pro-switching to M43 bias; just thought I'd point that out.

Negatives:
Olympus was sold to another company (JCP?) not long ago and its future is uncertain. Panasonic Lumix seems still committed to M43 (a brand new camera just came out) but they also are full speed ahead into full-frame gear.

The vaunted and much-desired Olympus 150-400mm lens is backordered into the next century, it seems. If you order one, be prepared to wait a LONG time for it, so you will need a shorter-term strategy for using your new camera for wildlife and such (100-400mm and or 300mm f4).

The Olympus OMD-EM1X is a capable camera with lots of cool features (including "bird tracking"), but it is surprisingly heavy and even with recent discounts, kind of expensive. I like the camera, but I think they should have designed a removable battery pack instead of building the two-battery design into the camera itself.

Other companies are moving full bore towards higher-quality sensors with lots of megapixels and room for cropping images while maintaining quality. Olympus' current sensor(s) are ok for now, but what about in a few years? There is discussion of Olympus coming out with a newer version of its flagship EM1X with a new Sony-designed sensor, but given the shakiness of the company in its new incarnation, who knows?

So part of the decision hinges on whether you have a big stake in "the long haul," as opposed to having a nice camera system to use in the next few years, maybe five years, after which it might be obsolete and not worth much in resale.

ADVANTAGES:
This gear is, overall, easier to tote internationally than larger-format gear, especially if you shoot long lenses for birds and such. Taking a big 500mm or 600mm on lots of international flights nowadays is getting iffy, given size/weight limits on carry-on baggage. Olympus gear is smaller and lighter overall, though detractors will point out that the OMD-EM1X plus say, the 300mm f4 Pro are heavier than some Canon or Nikon bird photography rigs (Nikon example: Z7 plus 500mm f5.6 PF).

Despite what detractors say, images from Olympus and Lumix cameras are really high quality, and though there is more image "noise" at really high ISO levels, the improvement in noise reduction software (e.g., from DXO and Topaz) has made this issue way less significant. I get really usable images from my M43 gear at ISO 4000 and above. Also, although the dynamic range is a bit less, I use both full frame and M43 gear and I don't find this to be a big deal, as long as I am shooting RAW images.

Olympus/Panasonic cameras have cool features like "pro capture," in-camera focus stacking, etc. My guess is that over the next few years these bells and whistles will become standard in digital cameras, but for now, M43 can do some things that larger format cameras cannot, as far as I know.

Personally, I use both Nikon and M43 gear, and am happy bridging both worlds. If I were just starting out in full frame gear I would for full frame mirrorless, reluctantly, go with either Canon or Sony, as their cameras currently are ahead of Nikon's, and Nikon has been darned slow to come out with its next mirrorless flagship, the Z9. But I am pretty invested in Nikon gear so I am not rushing out to sell everything and switch. But I digress.

Bottom line: if you want a good system that is compact and portable and will serve you well over the next several years, M43 is a great format. If you worry about "the longer run," who knows?

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May 29, 2021 at 10:00 AM
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I wouldn't buy the X but get the III instead.

If you're looking for lighter weight, it's either MFT (and Olympus is the better choice for wildlife) or FF with a smallish lens, so either a Nikon Z with the 500mm PF lens (great lens) or a Canon R-series with the 100-500mm lens. Unless you shoot fast moving animals, all these solutions will serve you well.

The problem in making this decision is that if you buy a FF camera with high resolution paired with a shorter lens, the resolution makes up for the longer reach of the MFT lens.

At the same time, I'm pretty sure you'd be happy with Olympus. I have used all brands, but prefer the use of my Olympus cameras.



May 29, 2021 at 06:34 PM
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I would certainly switch the MFT, either Olympus or Panasonic. At 79 and with a bad leg I've begun using MFT cameras and am enjoying the size and weight. However, if size and weight are major considerations you might want to forgo the Olympus 150-400mm lens. Both the Olympus and Lumix 100-400mm lenses are fine glass and lightweight -- not to mention a lot less expensive than the 150-400.

The Panasonic menus are a lot easier to use than the Olympus -- I have one of each. Both brands have advantages and disadvantages, if only I could dismantle both cameras and re-build into one camera combining the best features of each. You might want to visit a dealer who carries both brands and check the ergonomics and menus of each one.

By the way, your photos are excellent



May 29, 2021 at 06:34 PM
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The two comments after mine are both spot on. :-).


May 30, 2021 at 09:46 AM
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I'm 77 and my wife is younger but not by much, and our "conversion" from Canon 7DII/100-400 was in 2016.

Actually it wasn't because of the weight so much as we were looking for a small, easy-carry camera with better image quality than our Canon SX60's. Enter a friend that went on an African Safari that include several small plane jaunts and her Canon kit was putting her over the baggage limit. She came back with some really stunning images and allowed that she had only taken a Panasonic kit lens and a Lumix 100-300 zoom..........we each immediately sold our SX60's and bought a GX7 kit During the next year discovered that we were most often getting better images with the Panasonic gear than we were getting our Canon kits. It was our first experience using a "mirrorless" camera, we began to more fully explore the world of M4/3, and soon sold off all our Canon gear.

In the intervening years we have migrated to the Olympus side of the house . Our standard wildlife/sports kits are E-M1 III with Panasonic Leica 100-400 and Olympus 40-150 Pro lenses. Most often it is the PL100-400 that gets the nod particularly for Shore Birds in Flight and Surfers. We each keep a couple of small Olympus kits for Botanical gardens, festivals, galleries and other non fast action adventures. These kits are based on the E-M5 III and E-M10 III/IV bodies with smaller light weight zooms and some primes.

We did find out that the money we saved on Chiropractor bills and the money we derived from the sale of our Canon gear, made the switch in all respects, virtually "painless".



May 30, 2021 at 11:30 AM
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Ditto to most of what others have said. If one would feel more secure about the future of Canon, instead of investing in the dubious future of Olympus, I would suggest watching the following review. I guarantee you would get superior C-AF with the Canon combo and a far higher keeper rate for BIF's. At a higher cost, but check out the weight comparisons.

E-M1 III - 1.28 lbs. & Oly 100-400 - 2.46 lbs. for a total of 3.74 lbs.

Canon R6 - 1.5 lbs. & RF 100-500 - 3 lbs. for a total of 4.5 lbs.

And no, my wife has not given me permission to buy the Canon combo.

https://youtu.be/ixroB1hRY6U

And if you want to spend a lot more to get impressive cropping options, go for the Canon R5:

https://youtu.be/Xs1dTOtRSaE

Edited on May 31, 2021 at 01:42 PM · View previous versions



May 31, 2021 at 11:44 AM
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E-M1 III - 1.28 lbs. & Oly 100-400 - 2.46 lbs. for a total of 4.74 lbs

Correction: 3.74 lbs



May 31, 2021 at 12:56 PM
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Thanks, corrected.

.76 lbs. heavier to get the Canon combo with better C-AF and more versatile zoom.



May 31, 2021 at 01:47 PM
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https://youtu.be/ixroB1hRY6U

And if you want to spend a lot more to get impressive cropping options, go for the Canon R5:

https://youtu.be/Xs1dTOtRSaE



May 31, 2021 at 01:54 PM
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I'm a couple of years older than you are -- don't worry about the future of Olympus, if you buy new equipment it will last you for the rest of your life. I recently purchased an Olympus camera and telephoto lens; at the 100+ photographs that I average per day I don't ever expect to wear them out. If they do quit working and Olympus is no longer being made, I'll just buy used gear.

I have a bum leg and a back I'd like to trade in for a new one so the light weight of MFT gear is a real plus. If you have doubts about the quality of the images from Olympus cameras and lenses check this site -- http://smallsensorphotography.com/



Jun 01, 2021 at 07:06 AM
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The Olympus EM1 mkiii is an awesome camera. I upgraded from the Oly em5 mkii to get the em1 mkiii and I love it for photos. It’s feels much more premium in construction than the em5 and I can actually use it for 4k video which is great. Battery life is awesome, even for video where I can film an entire wedding and reception on three batteries. The stabilization is fantastic, especially with my 40-150 f2.8.

In hindsight however, I bought the wrong camera. My interests are shifting toward video, and I let my stash of Olympus glass ignore the video limitations of the Olympus. The Em1 mkiii is great, but it’s definitely not a video camera. So I admit to this as a mistake on my part. It was good enough for me to produce two great wedding videos in 2020 and get paid for them, which is pretty great though.

Anyway, my Olympus stuff will be for sale soon as I’m getting an A7Siii. My em1mkiii body might be of interest to you since it’s literally perfect, but my glass is too short for your application I think.

Cheers



Jun 01, 2021 at 06:43 PM
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Imagemaster wrote:
Ditto to most of what others have said. If one would feel more secure about the future of Canon, instead of investing in the dubious future of Olympus, I would suggest watching the following review. I guarantee you would get superior C-AF with the Canon combo and a far higher keeper rate for BIF's. At a higher cost, but check out the weight comparisons.

E-M1 III - 1.28 lbs. & Oly 100-400 - 2.46 lbs. for a total of 3.74 lbs.

Canon R6 - 1.5 lbs. & RF 100-500 - 3 lbs. for a total of 4.5 lbs.

And no, my wife has
...Show more

The Canon combo has a reach of 500 mm, the Olympus combo an eqv. reach of 800 mm. Big difference.



Jun 01, 2021 at 10:51 PM
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Yes, switch. I switched from the 5DIV (still have it), but only use it for shooting basketball. The Olympus is a much smaller and more capable system with all the lenses you could want, and in general at better prices. I am not a BIF shooter (that makes me a 2nd class citizen on this site, I realize), so whether I get 8 in focus shots rather than 9 out of 10 is unimportant to me. Also if the subject is too far away, I just don't take it, so no cropping worries.


Jun 02, 2021 at 10:18 AM
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Jorgen Udvang wrote:
The Canon combo has a reach of 500 mm, the Olympus combo an eqv. reach of 800 mm. Big difference.


So what? The Canon has a larger and better sensor, and better AF. Big difference.

It's not what you have. It's how you use it.



Jun 02, 2021 at 10:20 AM
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Imagemaster wrote:
So what? The Canon has a larger and better sensor, and better AF. Big difference.



Is this stupid argument going to continue until everyone says, "Oh, Imagemaster, you're RIGHT, we all will switch to Canon because you can use the R5 and the 100-500 zoom?" I think the points are obvious that 1) Canon is a big, rich, robust corporation that will, along with Sony, still be standing when war, disease, and famine have reduced live on earth to rubble and ruin; and 2) you can come up with really nice pieces of kit from Canon, particularly for walkaround bird photography.

Can we move on now?



Jun 02, 2021 at 10:45 AM
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rileym21 wrote:
In hindsight however, I bought the wrong camera. My interests are shifting toward video, and I let my stash of Olympus glass ignore the video limitations of the Olympus. The Em1 mkiii is great, but it’s definitely not a video camera.


I think you'd find some disagreement on that front from cinematographer John Brawley, who's an Olympus Ambassador. He did this short film with the EM1 mkiii:

https://youtu.be/9i3k3iJ87ok

I like his film with the earlier version of this camera even better:

https://johnbrawley.wordpress.com/2019/10/18/olympus-e-m1-ii/

Obviously the Olympus has plenty of limitations compared with the Sony A7Siii, but I found these examples to be pretty impressive.




Jun 02, 2021 at 11:34 AM
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GrandNagus50 wrote:
Is this stupid argument going to continue until everyone says, "Oh, Imagemaster, you're RIGHT, we all will switch to Canon because you can use the R5 and the 100-500 zoom?" I think the points are obvious that 1) Canon is a big, rich, robust corporation that will, along with Sony, still be standing when war, disease, and famine have reduced live on earth to rubble and ruin; and 2) you can come up with really nice pieces of kit from Canon, particularly for walkaround bird photography.

Can we move on now?


Why don't you move on and stick your nose in somewhere else? My DISCUSSION was with Jorgen, not you.

We both have had discussion on this site for the last 16 years.

I happen to be using Oly gear at this time, and have also used Canon, Nikon, Sony over the years. And will make any comparisons between any of them any time I feel like it.

Don't like my opinions, then use the HIDE ME button, please.

And maybe if you opened your eyes more than your mouth, you might see that I have contributed a bit more to Oly discussions than you have.

I was probably using an Oly camera before anyone else on this board.







Jun 02, 2021 at 12:46 PM
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Jorgen Udvang wrote:
The Canon combo has a reach of 500 mm, the Olympus combo an eqv. reach of 800 mm. Big difference.



E-M1 III - 1.28 lbs. & Oly 100-400 - 2.46 lbs. for a total of 3.74 lbs. $3,000

Canon R6 - 1.5 lbs. & RF 100-500 - 3 lbs. & 1.4x TC - 0.5 lbs. for a total of 5 lbs. $5,700

Canon R5 - 1.62 lbs. & RF 100-500 - 3 lbs. for a total of 4.62 lbs. $6,600

The extender for the Canon 100-500mm gets the lens to 700mm, only works between 300 and 500mm and reduces the aperture at the long end to around f/10, negating most of the advantage using a full frame camera, at least to get to this kind of reach. There is of course the 800mm f/11, but that would be even more expensive, adding an extra lens and is almost two stops slower than the Zuiko at the long end.

If we turn the $2,700 difference between the Olympus kit and the cheapest Canon kit the other way, and add $2,700 to $5,700, we're approaching the price of an E-M1 III with the 150-400(500)mm f/4.5 ($8,400 vs. $9,000), which weighs 5.38 lbs. Just sayin'.



Jun 03, 2021 at 12:06 AM
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Jorgen Udvang wrote:
The extender for the Canon 100-500mm gets the lens to 700mm, only works between 300 and 500mm and reduces the aperture at the long end to around f/10, negating most of the advantage using a full frame camera, at least to get to this kind of reach.


Numbers, numbers, numbers.

The R5 gives you a 8192p x 5464p image versus the Oly 5184p x 3888p image.

The Canon 800 f11 more expensive than what. $900 compared to the Oly's 150-400 at $7,500. Negating what most of the advantage of using a FF camera? Both the R5 and R6 will AF even with a 1.4x and 2x extender on the 600 f11 and 800 f11 lenses.

And the 800 f11 weighs 2.77 lbs. compared to the 4.1 lbs. of the 150-400.

There is of course the 800mm f/11, but that would be even more expensive, adding an extra lens and is almost two stops slower than the Zuiko at the long end.

If we turn the $2,700 difference between the Olympus kit and the cheapest Canon kit the other way, and add $2,700 to $5,700, we're approaching the price of an E-M1 III with the 150-400(500)mm f/4.5 ($8,400 vs. $9,000), which weighs 5.38 lbs. Just sayin'.


Again, it is all a numbers and dollars game, and the best results will be from the combo that best suits each individual.

And of course, where are you going to buy a 150-400 TODAY?



Jun 03, 2021 at 12:31 AM
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