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p.32 #1 · p.32 #1 · Cobalt Profiles

iso.light wrote:
Will the Sony A7 IV be supported?

Yes, we have a plan to release it soon.

Dec 06, 2021 at 12:53 PM

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p.32 #2 · p.32 #2 · Cobalt Profiles

I really like the new Cobalt website layout Giuseppe. Congrats to the team.

Dec 06, 2021 at 03:24 PM

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p.32 #3 · p.32 #3 · Cobalt Profiles

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...and finally, we made a fresh new website!

www.cobalt-image.com

!!!

Hi, very nice new website!

I want to check: last year Jun/Jul I bought about 5 basic pack for few cameras that I have and had, also two digital emulation packs. When I signed in to your website, I can see download buttons are available for me to download if needed for the two emulation packs. Why is the download option not available for the basic packs?

Actually the reason I signed in is to see if I can check if my versions are all the latest. However I can't tell if there are updates for the basic packs.

Thanks.

Dec 07, 2021 at 11:31 AM

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p.32 #4 · p.32 #4 · Cobalt Profiles

wstam wrote:
Hi, very nice new website!

I want to check: last year Jun/Jul I bought about 5 basic pack for few cameras that I have and had, also two digital emulation packs. When I signed in to your website, I can see download buttons are available for me to download if needed for the two emulation packs. Why is the download option not available for the basic packs?

Actually the reason I signed in is to see if I can check if my versions are all the latest. However I can't tell if there are updates for the basic packs.

Thanks.

Please, send a mail and we will fix that!

Dec 07, 2021 at 01:35 PM

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p.32 #5 · p.32 #5 · Cobalt Profiles

found out about this from samuels youtube video today. im interested in trying out a simulation for the leica m240. i understand i need to purchase the base dng profile. but for the second profile, im torn between either the kodachrome or fuji pack. which packs are the most popular, and which do you have the most positivbe feedback for so far?

also, is there a discount code available?

thanks for answering our questions !

Dec 07, 2021 at 06:34 PM

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p.32 #6 · p.32 #6 · Cobalt Profiles

rangeman133 wrote:
found out about this from samuels youtube video today. im interested in trying out a simulation for the leica m240. i understand i need to purchase the base dng profile. but for the second profile, im torn between either the kodachrome or fuji pack. which packs are the most popular, and which do you have the most positivbe feedback for so far?

also, is there a discount code available?

thanks for answering our questions !

I also saw that video! I'd be curious if there is a discount code available as well.

Dec 07, 2021 at 06:58 PM

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p.32 #7 · p.32 #7 · Cobalt Profiles

Sorry for the newb questions, but do i first run the DNG basic profile, and save as a DNG, and then use that saved DNG to run any of the film or digital emulations? So is this a 2 step process?

Dec 07, 2021 at 07:56 PM

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p.32 #8 · p.32 #8 · Cobalt Profiles

rangeman133 wrote:
Sorry for the newb questions, but do i first run the DNG basic profile, and save as a DNG, and then use that saved DNG to run any of the film or digital emulations? So is this a 2 step process?

One step

Dec 07, 2021 at 08:01 PM

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p.32 #9 · p.32 #9 · Cobalt Profiles

DaveFP wrote:
One step

ah thanks! so if i'm using a film or fuji emulation, i simply select modular profile in the basic pack?

Dec 07, 2021 at 08:11 PM

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p.32 #10 · p.32 #10 · Cobalt Profiles

Ulysseita wrote:
Please, send a mail and we will fix that!

Email sent and they were fixed the next minute

Thanks

Dec 08, 2021 at 10:07 AM

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p.32 #11 · p.32 #11 · Cobalt Profiles

Used the Black Friday discount to get the CCD fever pack. They are a bit different than what I thought (adding more samples to Our Colors page would be great!) and I'm still learning where they work and where they don't, but here is a couple from Christmas markets where S5Pro simulation worked quite nicely (more on flickr).


	https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51734687835_1e99ef21ea_z.jpg


	https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51734686305_dc4c547cc7_z.jpg


	https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51734685890_d251d2536d_z.jpg

Dec 08, 2021 at 02:32 PM

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p.32 #12 · p.32 #12 · Cobalt Profiles

i think the product is quite good, but i made a mistake in not realizing that C1 has a different button for purchasing. on a second look, it is quite clear though. i wanted to use this product for c1, as i had originally planned to end my adobe subscription.

i got in touch with their support team within 24 hours of purchase. i'm not looking for a refund, i just wanted to get the right packs. but they said i'd have to buy them again (they did offer a discount), but even with the discount, i would end up having paid 188 pounds in total, for 1 basic pack and 1 kodak film pack.

don't be like me, make sure you read properly, and click the right buttons! Maybe it serves me right, i dunno. but it's a tough pill to swallow, since i've just wasted 100 pounds on a product i won't be able to use!

Dec 09, 2021 at 12:25 PM

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p.32 #13 · p.32 #13 · Cobalt Profiles

Hi all

I am new to this forum and registered an account as I had some questions to ask on the Cobalt Image profiles.

I am currently using the recently released Sony A7IV, and am using Capture One as my image editor.

If I'm understanding this correctly, Cobalt Image does not have a modular system for Capture One. This means that if I change to a new camera in the future, every single emulation will need to be repurchased for that new camera. It seems that this significantly increases the overall cost of using the Cobalt Image process if I were to use Capture One instead of Lightroom.

For instance, if I currently had the Sony A7IV and wanted to have the Basic Pack + Digital Emulations for CCD Fever, Fuji Digital, and Leica Monochrome CCD for Capture One, it would currently cost: GBP 39 + 59 + 59 + 59 = GBP 216. In the future, if I wanted to get say the Sony A7RV, I would need to pay another GBP 216 for the Sony A7RV to have equivalent access to the Basic Pack + Digital Emulations. In total, I would be paying GBP 432.

In contrast, if I was using Lightroom instead, the initial price would be GBP 39 + 49 + 49 + 54 = GBP 191. In the future, if I got the Sony A7RV and wanted equivalent access, I would only need to pay another GBP 39 for the Basic Pack. In total, I would be paying GBP 230.

The lack of a modular system for Capture One means the overall price would almost be double. Please can I check whether my understanding is correct?

I would also like to check whether Capture One users, with a tailored emulation, will be provided with updated tailored emulations from time to time. I see that the team has been diligently updating some of the emulations such as the Fuji Digital Emulations. Presumably, each update will be available for the modular system (i.e. for Lightroom) as a digital download. Will Cobalt Image also provide a new tailored emulation for Capture One users?

I am also curious why the modular system is not available for Capture One. It seems to me that the Basic Package is essentially a colour profile, and any of the emulations are presets. If so, Capture One has "styles" which, to my limited knowledge, functions very similarly to a preset in Lightroom. If so, and if the film emulations are "styles" in Capture One, then in theory the whole system can be modular as well.

Thank you for your time.

Dec 13, 2021 at 01:10 AM

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kkennyy wrote:
Hi all

I am new to this forum and registered an account as I had some questions to ask on the Cobalt Image profiles.

I am currently using the recently released Sony A7IV, and am using Capture One as my image editor.

If I'm understanding this correctly, Cobalt Image does not have a modular system for Capture One. This means that if I change to a new camera in the future, every single emulation will need to be repurchased for that new camera. It seems that this significantly increases the overall cost of using the Cobalt Image process if I were to use...Show more →

Hi,

Capture One has a very "complicated" engine and is quite impossible to make a modular system as we did on Adobe.
About the updates on C1, almost all the changes we did on upgraded emulations are made on the curve used on Adobe, which means is strictly connected to the Adobe products, on the way they work with our emulations; on Capture One the freedom of the LUMA curve and the different behaviour of its engine make useless any of the updates made on Adobe.

Unfortunately, that freedom is part of the problem with modular profiles on C1.

Dec 16, 2021 at 04:10 AM

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p.32 #15 · p.32 #15 · Cobalt Profiles

We finally released basic for:

Sony A7 iv
Panasonic S5
Ricoh Griiix

Dec 16, 2021 at 04:11 AM

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p.32 #16 · p.32 #16 · Cobalt Profiles

Ulysseita wrote:
We finally released basic for:
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Ricoh Griiix

Great! Any chance on a discount for owners of the Cobalt GR 3 pack that purchase the Cobalt GR 3 X pack? (as it's the same sensor...)

Dec 16, 2021 at 11:58 AM

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p.32 #17 · p.32 #17 · Cobalt Profiles

I just got the basic pack , , really don't see a big improvment , have dxo 5 and on raw can have any colour profile from Canon, Leica, Fuji , is a money grab , can't try it and see if is for what you need .

Dec 19, 2021 at 01:41 PM

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p.32 #18 · p.32 #18 · Cobalt Profiles

markhout wrote:
Great! Any chance on a discount for owners of the Cobalt GR 3 pack that purchase the Cobalt GR 3 X pack? (as it's the same sensor...)

@Ulysseita - I have both the Ricoh GR III and the GR IIIx. I haven't bought the DNG Basic Profiles for two reasons:

1. While I find the DNG Profile essential for my Leica M10 (because it is useful for accurate colors in difficult light), my feeling is that the it's easier to get good results with the Adobe profiles for the GR III/GR IIIx. Also, the Ricoh JPGs are so much better and more flexible than those of the M10 that I shoot JPG+DNG with the Ricoh cameras — and often end up using the JPGs for a final edit, or use them as a target for processing the DNGs.

2. My feeling is that the GR III/GR IIIx cameras are so similar, if not identical, that Ithink there should be one DNG package for both. In our PM conversation a couple of weeks ago you mentioned that the two Ricoh DNG Basic Profiles were based on two different color calibrations. But I wonder whether they are so different, as to make it essential to have two different calibrations.

Can you not find a way of having them in the same profile package?
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Dec 19, 2021 at 02:12 PM

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vali003 wrote:

I just got the basic pack , , really don't see a big improvment , have dxo 5 and on raw can have any colour profile from Canon, Leica, Fuji , is a money grab , can't try it and see if is for what you need .

It's the same as in C1. You can apply profiles from any other camera to your own, but those profiles aren't tuned for your specific camera. So while you get different colors, they're not accurate to what the other camera produces at all. Cobalt Image builds profiles from the ground up for each individual camera, to get a consistent base look for each camera with each different profile. Then their emulation profiles build on top of that consistent base look, for an equally consistent emulation look for all cameras.

Of course, there are limitations to that due to the tuning of each cameras Color Filter Array, but it's possible to get close enough that any differences shouldn't be noticeable except in the most extreme situations (highlight clipping transitions, LED lighting, etc.). Same as with manufacturers' JPG output, where different cameras released near the same time, in the same generation, from the same brand, will still have slight color differences.

Best way to confirm that Cobalt is legit is to grab some sample RAWs from DPR, one from your camera, one from another other brand, and use one of the camera's profiles on both. You'll easily see how off things look when the wrong profile is used:

A7 III with A7 III DXO profile:
https://i.ibb.co/nfvDZGt/a7-M3-Studio0008-Dx-O.jpg

Fuji X-A7 with A7 III DXO profile:
https://i.ibb.co/XLjPCmy/DSCF0415-Dx-O.jpg

As far as not seeing a difference, differences are generally subtle. No camera is really that far off from being accurate, but every brand tweaks their colors to their own preferences, and no brand aims for accuracy. After you've been using accurate profiles for a while, your eye will easily be able to pick out if something is off by even a little.

Dec 19, 2021 at 11:39 PM

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vali003 wrote:
I just got the basic pack , , really don't see a big improvment , have dxo 5 and on raw can have any colour profile from Canon, Leica, Fuji , is a money grab , can't try it and see if is for what you need .

Re: "money grab" and "can't try it and see if is for what you need " — that's so incoherent that I don't have a clue what you're saying (or whom you're accusing). You simply have to state this more clearly if you have a serious criticism.

BlueBomberTurbo wrote:
...As far as not seeing a difference, differences are generally subtle. No camera is really that far off from being accurate, but every brand tweaks their colors to their own preferences, and no brand aims for accuracy. After you've been using accurate profiles for a while, your eye will easily be able to pick out if something is off by even a little.

I've only compared the Cobalt-Image profiles to Adobe Lightroom profiles (and to embedded Leica M10 profiles), and have found that the Cobalt-Image profiles are much better when the light is difficult, such is in strong backlight and strong sidelight or with difficult color combinations, such as saturated reds and yellows: so, if you shoot always only in the "golden hours" of the morning or evening, with the light coming from behind you, you may find that you get no significant difference most of the time. I happen to be mostly interested in images in difficult light, which makes the Cobalt-Image profiles for the Leica M10 extremely useful, often particularly the Repro profiles.
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