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p.28 #1 · p.28 #1 · Cobalt Profiles

I have a Sony A7III, I shoot in RAW. And I‘m constantly struggling with skin tones (to red…). When I shot Pentax Skin Tones weren‘t an issue.

I post edit in Capture One. Is there a Cobalt profile I can use in Capture One as well? Which ones would you recommend for the problem mentioned above?

Howe many profiles are included in one package?

Oct 10, 2021 at 02:08 PM

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p.28 #2 · p.28 #2 · Cobalt Profiles

Grenache wrote:
Yes, more or less. However, you also have the option (if you purchase the appropriate emulation) to make one camera you are shooting with look like the other...or even like a camera you do not own.

For instance, if you are shooting with a Sony a7Riii and a Fuji XT3, you can make both sets of images look like the XT3, if you have the Fuji Digital Emulation. Or...you could make both look like the output of an M9, if you have the Leica CCD emulation.

The thing that confuses people is that for each camera body you own, you must...Show more →

Yes, every camera has its own base profile, just like profiling with a color checker. I understand that.

What I don't understand is that, after choosing a camera profile, is the other adjustments later in LR still camera relevant or not?

If two images shot by two different cameras have the same starting point in LR by proper profiling, will they still look the same in color / tonal gradation / contrast, after the same adjustments in LR?

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I'm asking this because I have a lot of presets in LR, I need to know if I match all my cameras to Cobalt Std/Ntrl/Repro, will they still look the same (color-wise) after applying those presets.

Oct 10, 2021 at 08:33 PM

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p.28 #3 · p.28 #3 · Cobalt Profiles

Applying a Cobalt profile will anchor the images to its base case. Your old presets were anchored to some other profile, so they will look a consistent way when applied to any image that has a Cobalt profile, but they will look different than your old profile. However, if you purchase the emulation of your old camera and use that, THEN applying the old presets will look the way they always did.

Your presets are like a flight path…say 1700 miles northwest. The profile is like a starting city. Your prior camera profile might have said “start in Miami.” The preset would then send you to Denver. Cobalt’s Neutral profile would put your new camera, and any others for which you purchase a base, in its own reference location, say, Houston. If you apply your old presets, it would take you to Boise, Idaho. If you get the emulation pack that emulates your old camera, you can apply that to any camera for which you have a base. Now, the new camera starts in Miami, and your old presets take you to Denver again.

Oct 10, 2021 at 09:21 PM

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p.28 #4 · p.28 #4 · Cobalt Profiles

Grenache wrote:
Applying a Cobalt profile will anchor the images to its base case. Your old presets were anchored to some other profile, so they will look a consistent way when applied to any image that has a Cobalt profile, but they will look different than your old profile. However, if you purchase the emulation of your old camera and use that, THEN applying the old presets will look the way they always did.

Your presets are like a flight path…say 1700 miles northwest. The profile is like a starting city. Your prior camera profile might have said “start in Miami.” The preset...Show more →

Thank you for replying patiently. I think I didn't make myself clear.
I don't care about camera emulation, it's fine to match all my cameras to a third party basic profile like the Cobalt Neutral, as an universal start point.

Let's put it this way and forget about presets.

I take two pictures in the same scene with two different cameras. And then I use Cobalt Neutral as the camera profile on the two images (I know that I have to buy two basic profile packs for the two cameras). Now the two images have the same start point in LR.
Next, I make some basic adjustments in LR, like tone curve, and HSL. If I apply the same adjustments on the two images (which have the same start point), will I get the same result?

Thanks again!

Oct 11, 2021 at 12:43 AM

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p.28 #5 · p.28 #5 · Cobalt Profiles

zeitlos wrote:
I have a Sony A7III, I shoot in RAW. And I‘m constantly struggling with skin tones (to red…). When I shot Pentax Skin Tones weren‘t an issue.

I post edit in Capture One. Is there a Cobalt profile I can use in Capture One as well? Which ones would you recommend for the problem mentioned above?

Howe many profiles are included in one package?

I have the same issue with Sony A7RIII skin-tones. Now I'm pretty happy with the Fuji digital (X-Pro2 Astia) and the Canon Contemporary package in LRC. It would have relieved me from many unhappy editing hours.

Oct 11, 2021 at 10:02 AM

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p.28 #6 · p.28 #6 · Cobalt Profiles

Thank you. Sounds good! So I now just have to find out whether the “Canon Contemporary Package“ also exists for Capture One.

Hopefully!

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Oct 11, 2021 at 11:26 AM

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p.28 #7 · p.28 #7 · Cobalt Profiles

Am I right when I say that they unfortunately aren‘t available for Capture One users?

https://cobalt-image.com/shop/capture-one/

Oct 11, 2021 at 11:47 AM

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p.28 #8 · p.28 #8 · Cobalt Profiles

zeitlos wrote:
Am I right when I say that they unfortunately aren‘t available for Capture One users?

https://cobalt-image.com/shop/capture-one/

For C1 you need to request it specifically for your combination of camera AND emulation and they will „bake“ it for you. Prices can be found anywhere on their website, at least for 1 as well as 2 emulations.

The more cameras you have the more expensive it gets as each combination of camera and emulation needs to be purchased separately.

In contrast to this, LR users can just purchase a base pack for a second/third/etc. camera and use all emulations they purchased.

Oct 11, 2021 at 12:16 PM

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p.28 #9 · p.28 #9 · Cobalt Profiles

Okay, thank you!

At least there‘s some hope.

Maybe I will contact the developers and ask them what exactly I need.

Oct 11, 2021 at 12:18 PM

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p.28 #10 · p.28 #10 · Cobalt Profiles

As promised we worked a lot on the Kodak Film pack as second stage of our "film revolution" and now we are close to the release of the V2.0

We made something similar as we did on last Fuji Film update, so>

1- Preset recalling just a profile and the R G B curves for each emulation.
2- We kept flat so now we offer REPRO, FLAT, STD, SRGB Output

And a deep rework of our film emulation look!

some samples.

Portra 800
https://i.imgur.com/nkAR4EI.jpg

Ektachrome
https://i.imgur.com/FNlMx1W.jpg

Portra 400
https://i.imgur.com/uDu3r0j.jpg

Gold 200
https://i.imgur.com/vgLFNsq.jpg

Ektar 100
https://i.imgur.com/TbLftd8.jpg

Portra 160
https://i.imgur.com/tlf4lLK.jpg

Oct 16, 2021 at 05:01 PM

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p.28 #11 · p.28 #11 · Cobalt Profiles

We have just released the Kodak Film pack update.
https://cobalt-image.com/product/cobalt-kodak-film/

Please delete all the old Kodak profiles installed and log in to download and install the last version 2.0.

Oct 17, 2021 at 11:11 AM

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p.28 #12 · p.28 #12 · Cobalt Profiles

Ulysseita wrote:
...Please delete all the old Kodak profiles installed and log in to download and install the last version 2.0.

Giuseppe - I've just installed the v2 Kodak pack in Lightroom. As you stated earlier, the Kodak presets are now on the left LR left panel. And you can find items of the same names on the right (profiles) of the LR a. Now, if I apply Ektachrome (Linear) to an image, the LR histograms shows that the Black and White have been brought in and are fixed (hard-wired). Then, if I select Ektachrome (Linear) on the Profile side, nothing changes: the Black and White points remain hard-wired. However, if select the Cobalt Neutral profile and then move to Ektachrome (Linear) on the Profile side, the Black and White points are no longer fixed.

Is this how it's supposed to be? And, how should the Kodak profiles on the Profile side be used, as opposed the Kodak presets of the same name on the Preset (left) side of LR?
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Oct 17, 2021 at 12:30 PM

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p.28 #13 · p.28 #13 · Cobalt Profiles

You just have to use the Preset on the left side for our Film emulations.

That's to allow who print or who wants a less washed or white limited film effect to correct it using the RGB curves included in the preset.

https://i.imgur.com/HDJH6h2.jpg

Oct 17, 2021 at 12:49 PM

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p.28 #14 · p.28 #14 · Cobalt Profiles

I'm interested in this for the new Fuji profiles, and use Adobe Camera Raw. Can someone please tell me if these profiles load into Raw, so are just added to the list of profile selections? Or is this an independent program and a separate step?

Oct 18, 2021 at 03:22 PM

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p.28 #15 · p.28 #15 · Cobalt Profiles

zeitlos wrote:
I have a Sony A7III, I shoot in RAW. And I‘m constantly struggling with skin tones (to red…). When I shot Pentax Skin Tones weren‘t an issue.

I post edit in Capture One.

Have you tried Capture One's Prostandard profile for the A7iii? See https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360015331377-ProStandard-camera-profiles

I've been happier with the colors from my A7iii since I switched to the Prostandard profile and they're built into Capture One starting with version 21.

Oct 18, 2021 at 05:08 PM

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p.28 #16 · p.28 #16 · Cobalt Profiles

even ProStandard is a generic...

please take a look there
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1702704/25

Oct 19, 2021 at 07:03 AM

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p.28 #17 · p.28 #17 · Cobalt Profiles

We are perfectionist, that means losing many nights just to improve your product of 1% of accuracy or releasing many updates for the same product on one month.

We have the plan to release in few days our 3.1 version of both Kodak and Fuji film emulations.
Why 3,1? perhaps we are just old geeks raised in front of the first reliable Windows (3.1) or because after many tests, we found the right balance between colour signature and contrast having many versions (repro, flat, std and srgb output) and the add of editable RGB values.

So after many digital emulations with just a colour signature made by numbers, we started this project going through many challenges; our customers helped us with their feedbacks and their precious suggestions and now, we hope we aimed the target, a thin and far mark.

My personal "fight" was, on Fuji, the Velvia as first and the Pro400h as the second.

Thanks for your valuable feedbacks!

Cobalt Fuji Film Pro 400H emulation (3.1)

Cobalt Fuji Film Velvia 50 emulation (3.1)

Cobalt Fuji Film Velvia 50 emulation (3.1)

Cobalt Fuji Film Pro 400H emulation (3.1)

Oct 19, 2021 at 07:42 AM

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p.28 #18 · p.28 #18 · Cobalt Profiles

It would be great if the offerings were also available to Capture One users.

Oct 19, 2021 at 02:00 PM

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p.28 #19 · p.28 #19 · Cobalt Profiles

bjhurley wrote:
Have you tried Capture One's Prostandard profile for the A7iii? See https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360015331377-ProStandard-camera-profiles

I've been happier with the colors from my A7iii since I switched to the Prostandard profile and they're built into Capture One starting with version 21.

Thanks, but I use Adobe camera raw.

So is the answer these profiles do not load into Camera raw? It does not appear so. Their site is more than vague on this.

Oct 19, 2021 at 02:05 PM

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p.28 #20 · p.28 #20 · Cobalt Profiles

There does not appear to be any customer support for this. Does anyone have a contact number?

Oct 19, 2021 at 02:06 PM

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