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I always go to my experience with Canon gear first, the owner's manual second, forums third, and Canon last. So far, I have never had to go Canon, my answers have been obtained from one or more of the first 3 methods.

Mar 21, 2021 at 05:52 PM

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The Canon R1 will fix all of this...

Mar 21, 2021 at 07:22 PM

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TeamSpeed wrote:
I always go to my experience with Canon gear first, the owner's manual second, forums third, and Canon last. So far, I have never had to go Canon, my answers have been obtained from one or more of the first 3 methods.

Canon has been overwhelmingly great for me over the years except for two times, both with the R5.... one time, with the R5, a rep started reading from the manual to me... ok ... gotta go. The other the rep didn't understand the the bit-depth issue relating to shutter type and H+.... but ultimately, it got to someone there who did.

The forums have been great... except for two issues... the use of a PD battery where I got negative commentary... "frying the thing" etc... and my animal eye detect flaky behavior where ... well ... I just didn't get what I thought were good responses from the forums.... Canon won this one as the rep just gave me a dead-pan answer "use zone instead"... in other words, yes it doesn't always work so in those cases use zone. Given that most posters appears to not have the eye detect issues I experienced... I still wonder if my camera is behaving up to standard. The tone in the eye-detect thread ... well I felt it was bit tilted that I wasn't doing something correctly. Why just today, I was tracking one of the last Short Eared owls... I put it on full animal eye detect and the blue squares were all over the frame... put it in zone and pow... right on the owl.

Anywho, with a camera as complex as this one, there is great value to both avenues for information. But I found the forums exceptionally good for understanding a given menu option as the manual is pretty blech with this stuff. And my biggest surprise of forum value, identifying a focus problem that was really atmosphere interference.. that was good one for me!

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Mar 21, 2021 at 07:48 PM

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I just tried using zone with animal eye af. Jury is still out, but it might be the way to go? I've never used zone. I've always used spot or spot with four surround. This R5 is a finnicky son of a gun, but it's the best camera I've ever used, and that goes back to 1983 or earlier.

Mar 21, 2021 at 10:37 PM

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Jim McCann wrote:
I just tried using zone with animal eye af. Jury is still out, but it might be the way to go? I've never used zone. I've always used spot or spot with four surround. This R5 is a finnicky son of a gun, but it's the best camera I've ever used, and that goes back to 1983 or earlier.

I never used zone with my Canon DSLRs... I used the center cluster for birds in flight... it worked well but you need to up your skills. But this R5 is a totally different animal. Zone is fabulous... and you can turn on animal detect (not eye) with zone. It really works well. Given the feedback I have received on this forum.... I have to qualify what I say with....... "...for me". Others don't seem to experience what I do so.....YMMV. So... for me... I find eye detect not so useful preferring zone as my go to mode, then center point for when I want to hit say a sholder of a stationary bird where I want to maximize the depth of field.. I feel focusing on the eye wastes depth of field with in-focus distance behind the eye wasted. But again, that is just me and the way I shoot.

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Mar 22, 2021 at 08:30 AM

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You can use both Zone AF and Eye AF at the same time. After shooting backyard perched birds since Nov or Dec when I got the R5, I was finally able to go out yesterday for the first time shooting BIF. The shutter button is set to Zone AF. When I see a bird I want to track, I half press it to engage Zone AF and track it. Once it's in the Eye AF distance, I engage it with the AF-On button in the back. The Eye AF over-rides the Zone at this point. Should I lose the Eye AF, then I re-engage the Zone AF, then Eye AF again. It worked very well and almost all of my birds' eyes were captured tack sharp.

Zone AF is more effective in grabbing the tracked bird than any point assisted AF.

Mar 22, 2021 at 09:50 AM

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SSO-Images wrote:
You can use both Zone AF and Eye AF at the same time. After shooting backyard perched birds since Nov or Dec when I got the R5, I was finally able to go out yesterday for the first time shooting BIF. The shutter button is set to Zone AF. When I see a bird I want to track, I half press it to engage Zone AF and track it. Once it's in the Eye AF distance, I engage it with the AF-On button in the back. The Eye AF over-rides the Zone at this point. Should I lose the Eye...Show more →

Clever... I have to try that.

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Mar 22, 2021 at 03:03 PM

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@Jesse Evans, did you ever find a solution for this? I'm having a similar issue, though I'm using a Canon 24-70 f2.8 II with a Canon RF/EF adapter. The box will be blue on the eye but under further review the image is front focused about 6 inches. I photograph people, and not as close as you are photographing that dog, so I'm not sure if the blue box is on the eye and the area 5 inches in-front is actually in focus.

Sep 24, 2023 at 05:40 PM

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bcarlsonphoto wrote:
@Jesse Evans@, did you ever find a solution for this? I'm having a similar issue, though I'm using a Canon 24-70 f2.8 II with a Canon RF/EF adapter. The box will be blue on the eye but under further review the image is front focused about 6 inches. I photograph people, and not as close as you are photographing that dog, so I'm not sure if the blue box is on the eye and the area 5 inches in-front is actually in focus.

Hey, I think I commented on the YouTube video, and sorry that it's been so long that I've lost some of my memories, rereading these posts has helped. I have never had an issue with it front focusing significantly, it just seemed to be focusing on the wrong thing.

It's possible that you're experiencing a similar issue as described here, but it's also possible that your lens is just misbehaving. I would start with seeing if you can find another lens to see if it reproduces on that as well. This issue would manifest regardless of lens, so if it fixes itself based on which lens you use, it's a lens issue.

Sep 25, 2023 at 05:32 PM

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SSO-Images wrote:
You can use both Zone AF and Eye AF at the same time. After shooting backyard perched birds since Nov or Dec when I got the R5, I was finally able to go out yesterday for the first time shooting BIF. The shutter button is set to Zone AF. When I see a bird I want to track, I half press it to engage Zone AF and track it. Once it's in the Eye AF distance, I engage it with the AF-On button in the back. The Eye AF over-rides the Zone at this point. Should I lose the Eye...Show more →

I have been doing that for a few years now. Very effective. Even works for perched birds while focusing back and forth between two of them. As long as the bird you want is in focus, the eye will snap in.

Sep 25, 2023 at 08:04 PM

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Just to add. I went back the to the shutter for AF and metering. Eye detect overrides. AF-ON = Single Point AF. * button = Zone AF. For the R6II the AF Point selector button = Spot AF. For the R7 the DOF = Spot Focus. Spot focus is my least used override.

Sep 25, 2023 at 08:11 PM

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It's possible that the camera mistook your dog's nose for an eye. I could see this happening on a big dog whose nose has 2 holes that could look like eyes to the camera. Just a thought!

Sep 28, 2023 at 11:01 AM

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tommys wrote:
It's possible that the camera mistook your dog's nose for an eye. I could see this happening on a big dog whose nose has 2 holes that could look like eyes to the camera. Just a thought!

It can happen. Does anyone remember when the R5 was announced and all these videos came out. One showed a dod turn and run away and it found the butt hole. It was pretty funny.

Sep 28, 2023 at 11:22 AM

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I've never trusted Servo to tell me the AF location compared to what really took place. This is a burst sequence with my 7D2 I think. I've always had my DSLR's (and now ML's) Tracking Sensitivity set to -2. By my calculations you get about a second before it starts to focus on something else. While a second does not seem like much at 10 fps it makes a world of difference.

I was tracking this gull and it swooped. These are screen shots but they are all in focus. Not sure how Eye Detect is effected but I'm not 100% convinced it is always providing accurate information.

Sep 28, 2023 at 11:30 AM

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At minute 9:50 he shows an example of TS -2. If I took the shot there the subject would be be in focus but DPP would show me the AF point in another location.

Just to go a little off topic he gets into Switching Tracked Subjects (STS). Tracking Sensitivity (ST) deals with obstructions but in Eye Detect you can be dealing with an obstruction that has an eye.

He shows this at minute 10:20. I found this video very helpful to describe how those two work together. I'm not a camera engineer but I concluded that if you are in Eye Detect and there is an obstruction with an eye STS cancels out TS.

Sorry again for going off topic a bit. I really like that video.

Sep 28, 2023 at 11:47 AM

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