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I am trying out my Biotar 75mm f1.5 for the first time. This is without a doubt the most frustrating and temperamental lens I have ever owned. Thankfully, 1 of 200 shots are real keepers. They fulfill the promise this legendary lens holds. Is this enough to justify all this frustration? I don't know yet.

The problem is that shooting wide open only about 15% of the image area can be sharp, right at center. This has huge implications for composition, not to mention a very narrow room for sloppy focusing. Is anyone out there using this lens (version 2, slim version)? I could use some advice. Please let me know. Thanks.









Mar 18, 2021 at 12:54 PM
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I imagine having children as your subject makes it even more difficult to get the focus right.
I have to be honest, 1 in 200 shots being good would be a big reason why I'd rarely use a lens such as this one.



Mar 18, 2021 at 07:24 PM
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DanielScott wrote:
I imagine having children as your subject makes it even more difficult to get the focus right.
I have to be honest, 1 in 200 shots being good would be a big reason why I'd rarely use a lens such as this one.


Yes Dan, in some ways it is more difficult, but children also have wider eyes, so that is an advantage. I think 1/200 depends on the quality of that one photo. If you get 50/200 that are good, but only good, I would rather have one exceptional one.

-Charles



Mar 18, 2021 at 09:49 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Biotar 75mm...Painterly Vintage Lens


Charley, is the lens manual?
If so, why in the world would anybody beat themselves up like that to get one shot out of 200?
No lens is worth that. I don’t see your pic is any better than a modern AF 1.2 lens. I obviously don’t have any affinity to “painterly”, nor am I very nostalgic.
My only advice is to switch to AF especially if you’re using ML. Good luck
John



Mar 18, 2021 at 10:16 PM
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Thanks, John. I appreciate your advice. Yes, it is a manual lens, and I don't want to keep struggling with focus so I will stop down to see whether its character is retained. There is a certain look that vintage lenses offer that cannot be found in more modern lenses. I guess it is a matter of taste and what a person is used to. When digital TVs came out I hated the image because I found that high-end picture tube televisions were much more natural. I have since gotten used to the former. When very high def TVs came out I was really aghast at how artificial they look. I also got used to that.

-Charles



Mar 20, 2021 at 02:53 AM
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Charles, while I understand your passion about using vintage lenses but there is a point where, IMHO, the eyes are critical in portraits. With the advancement in focusing aids and sensor technology in modern camera, you can virtually get both. You can stop down a little to get a little more depth-of-field and increase the ISO setting to minimize some camera movements and also at the same time, keep the noise level down. At the same time, you know that the Eye-AF capability in some modern cameras is so good that you can concentrate on your composition, model’s expression, unique poses, etc. rather than making sure that eye or eyes are in focus or not.

This maybe something you don’t want to hear, there are editing softwares that could get you almost the look you are looking for, including noise reduction or even lens rendition. Modern lenses do not necessarily equate to harsh, ugly and digital-looking rendition, BTW. Disregard this if you think it is rubbish, I wouldn’t mind.

BTW, the image you posted is great, Charles! I like his expression and the frown on his forehead tells a story.

Thank you for sharing and please post more,
Joshua



Mar 20, 2021 at 08:26 AM
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AGeoJO wrote:
Charles, while I understand your passion about using vintage lenses but there is a point where, IMHO, the eyes are critical in portraits. With the advancement in focusing aids and sensor technology in modern camera, you can virtually get both. You can stop down a little to get a little more depth-of-field and increase the ISO setting to minimize some camera movements and also at the same time, keep the noise level down. At the same time, you know that the Eye-AF capability in some modern cameras is so good that you can concentrate on your composition, model’s expression, unique
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Josh, I totally understand what you are saying. There has to be a compromise. To be totally frank, I feel that most modern lenses lack character, and no amount of post-processing will fix that. Some vintage lenses have a certain undefinable quality. But the thing is, I don't want to suffer doing imaging, because this is a hobby, and in the end, I am doing it to have fun. So if I don't find that stopping the lens down works for me, or if no amount of practice improves my ratio of keepers, I will try other lenses for portrait work. Otherwise, as you suggest, the process becomes too onerous, and critical things like attention to composition and other details, suffer as well.

-Charles



Mar 20, 2021 at 12:25 PM
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Here is the black & white version:









Mar 20, 2021 at 12:27 PM
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Oh, I like the B&W version better. The colored background doesn’t compliment the subject much... and that’s only my opinion though. Excellent B&W rendition, Charles!


Mar 20, 2021 at 12:30 PM





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