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Sigma 35mm f/2 DG DN Contemporary Review

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Not a new kid in town at all. Diffusion filters have been around for decades. They can have very nice effects, but there is a learning curve and of course using them requires carrying them around. Each filter will also have a slightly different effect for the particular lens on which you use it. If you want to see some really nice work with such a diffusion filter look on the Voigtlander 75 f/1.5 thread in the Leica/Alt forum for HelenaN's work. It is fantastic.

As far as beating the Sigma 45 f/2.8, well that depends on the filter and...Show more →

That's a refreshing development. Some formerly staunch advocates of owning multiple lenses, each with it's own built in "rendering" filter, are now starting to warm up to the idea that you can be equally arteestec through using one (good) lens and multiple filters. In a decade or so they might even look into sunstar filters

Nov 07, 2022 at 06:59 AM

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p.28 #2 · p.28 #2 · Sigma 35mm f/2 DG DN Contemporary Review

vdo1 wrote:
This gentleman has recently used exactly the same word - "glow":

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1608234/59#16063058

Must be a conspiracy!

How about you check the first page of Fred's review, maybe you could "see" the glow in the flashlight pics? If not, then that lens is definitely for you.

That was a clearly damaged/faulty lens. Don't understand why you're searching for reasons to bash a lens that it sounds like you don't/haven't owned.

I've had two copies of this lens (the 45), both were outstandingly sharp at normal distances and produced beautiful rendering/bokeh. Like most Sigma DG DNs they soften at very close distances - this lens in particular as the design was intentionally compromised to achieve a particular level of rendering/bokeh.

Nov 07, 2022 at 07:22 AM

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p.28 #3 · p.28 #3 · Sigma 35mm f/2 DG DN Contemporary Review

newdom wrote:
That was a clearly damaged/faulty lens. Don't understand why you're searching for reasons to bash a lens that it sounds like you don't/haven't owned.

I've had two copies of this lens (the 45), both were outstandingly sharp at normal distances and produced beautiful rendering/bokeh. Like most Sigma DG DNs they soften at very close distances - this lens in particular as the design was intentionally compromised to achieve a particular level of rendering/bokeh.

I guess that you are not aware that @Fred Miranda is carefully testing and selecting the best samples for the lenses he reviews here.

Nov 07, 2022 at 07:33 AM

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p.28 #4 · p.28 #4 · Sigma 35mm f/2 DG DN Contemporary Review

The glow is a feature not a bug on the 45mm- part of the multiple personality of the lens that harkens back to several older style manual lenses- including some Leicas I have owned. I rather like it as it actually gives me a lightweight auto-focus replacement for several of those that by dint of age and natural deterioration of adhesives between the glass are not as usable now and I could no longer afford to replace otherwise.

Nov 07, 2022 at 09:27 AM

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p.28 #5 · p.28 #5 · Sigma 35mm f/2 DG DN Contemporary Review

vdo1 wrote:
That's a refreshing development. Some formerly staunch advocates of owning multiple lenses, each with it's own built in "rendering" filter, are now starting to warm up to the idea that you can be equally arteestec through using one (good) lens and multiple filters. In a decade or so they might even look into sunstar filters

The point is this is not a development (refreshing or not). Diffusion filters have been around for decades. They are a way to alter the rendering of a lens but they have their down sides too. Neither is it possible to get every type of rendering with filters. And certainly one lens with filters will not give you exactly the same capabilities of multiple lenses. Diffusion filters for one thing always affect light transmission and the amount of light hitting the sensor, so in low light will have their limits. They are typically best with a strong light source in the frame, but they can really fail in such situations sometimes too. Neither are they cheap, so sometimes having a second or third lens can be just as cheap as multiple diffusion filters. They are a useful tool, but not without their drawbacks. In general, I think they are more useful than star filters, which I suspect you know have also been around for decades, but I have never seen a star filter from which I like the sunstars, but YMMV.

Nov 08, 2022 at 08:41 AM

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p.28 #6 · p.28 #6 · Sigma 35mm f/2 DG DN Contemporary Review

vdo1 wrote:
I guess that you are not aware that @Fred Miranda@ is carefully testing and selecting the best samples for the lenses he reviews here.

No idea what relevance that has or what you're talking about. You clearly love the sound of your own voice and how clever you think you sound. Carry on.

Nov 08, 2022 at 08:46 AM

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newdom wrote:
No idea what relevance that has or what you're talking about.

I'm not surprised. It takes a certain level of confusion to claim that Fred is posting reviews of defective lens. Cary on, similarly minded people "like" it.

Nov 08, 2022 at 08:26 PM

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p.28 #8 · p.28 #8 · Sigma 35mm f/2 DG DN Contemporary Review

More signal, less noise please

Nov 08, 2022 at 08:41 PM

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p.28 #9 · p.28 #9 · Sigma 35mm f/2 DG DN Contemporary Review

Steve Spencer wrote:
The point is this is not a development (refreshing or not). Diffusion filters have been around for decades. They are a way to alter the rendering of a lens but they have their down sides too. Neither is it possible to get every type of rendering with filters. And certainly one lens with filters will not give you exactly the same capabilities of multiple lenses. Diffusion filters for one thing always affect light transmission and the amount of light hitting the sensor, so in low light will have their limits. They are typically best with a strong light source...Show more →

You are quite right except:

- we were talking about a f/2.8 lens; maybe a filter on a f/1.8 or f/1.4 lens is actually passing more light?
- a round Glimmerglass is $60 directly from Tiffen store, doesn't seem more expensive than a lens?
- you ignored the lens changing inconvenience (possibly with some extra dust on the sensor too), also the weight and the bulk of the lenses vs filters?

Nov 08, 2022 at 08:45 PM

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darrellc wrote:
More signal, less noise please

That would be $10/dB, Sir! How many decibels would you like to order?

Nov 08, 2022 at 08:49 PM

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vdo1 wrote:
You are quite right except:

- we were talking about a f/2.8 lens; maybe a filter on a f/1.8 or f/1.4 lens is actually passing more light?
- a round Glimmerglass is $60 directly from Tiffen store, doesn't seem more expensive than a lens?
- you ignored the lens changing inconvenience (possibly with some extra dust on the sensor too), also the weight and the bulk of the lenses vs filters?

First, "we" weren't talking about an f/2.8 lens. Last I looked the thread is about an f/2 lens. You have tried to hijack the thread to be about an f/2.8 lens, but I and most everyone else on this thread haven't followed your attempt to hijack the thread.

Second, Tiffen Glimmerglass is just one relatively inexpensive diffusion filter. Spoiler alert if you look at the diffusion filter thread on the alt forum, the Glimmerglass filters don't perform that well. If you want better performance you will have to pay more.

Third, personally I never worry about changing lenses and if my sensor gets dusty I just clean it. I also am pretty good about knowing what lenses I want in a given situation so I don't take extra lenses just the ones I want for what I am shooting. It really is not hard to do that if you know your lenses well.

Nov 08, 2022 at 09:00 PM

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p.28 #12 · p.28 #12 · Sigma 35mm f/2 DG DN Contemporary Review

So for $100 you’d post a 1/10th as much? Intriguing offer…

vdo1 wrote:
That would be $10/dB, Sir! How many decibels would you like to order?

Nov 08, 2022 at 09:00 PM

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p.28 #13 · p.28 #13 · Sigma 35mm f/2 DG DN Contemporary Review

darrellc wrote:
So for $100 you’d post a 1/10th as much? Intriguing offer…

No, but I'd post stuff like this:

where the reviewer found the Sigma to be sharper than the Sony at certain distances. So I wonder how the people who find the Sony "too sharp" and "punchy" can live with the Sigma.....

Nov 08, 2022 at 09:26 PM

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p.28 #14 · p.28 #14 · Sigma 35mm f/2 DG DN Contemporary Review

Steve Spencer wrote:
First, "we" weren't talking about an f/2.8 lens. Last I looked the thread is about an f/2 lens. You have tried to hijack the thread to be about an f/2.8 lens, but I and most everyone else on this thread haven't followed your attempt to hijack the thread.

Second, Tiffen Glimmerglass is just one relatively inexpensive diffusion filter. Spoiler alert if you look at the diffusion filter thread on the alt forum, the Glimmerglass filters don't perform that well. If you want better performance you will have to pay more.

Third, personally I never worry about changing lenses and if...Show more →

How about you review this post here:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1686080/26#16087033

where a certain Steve Spencer hijacked it to be about the 45mm and diffusion filters in general, instead of the Sigma 35 vs Sony 35 + Glimmerglass as my post was trying to compare....

And give me some examples of round difussion filters that cost more than a lens, let's say Sigma 35mm to "stay on topic".

Nov 08, 2022 at 09:50 PM

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p.28 #15 · p.28 #15 · Sigma 35mm f/2 DG DN Contemporary Review

vdo1 wrote:
How about you review this post here:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1686080/26#16087033

where a certain Steve Spencer hijacked it to be about the 45mm and diffusion filters in general, instead of the Sigma 35 vs Sony 35 + Glimmerglass as my post was trying to compare....

And give me some examples of round difussion filters that cost more than a lens, let's say Sigma 35mm to "stay on topic".

Wrong again. I was responding to your post in which you mentioned the 45 not the 35. I did get sucked into your thread hijacking for that post, but quickly pulled away. I won't get sucked in again.

As to diffusion filters you do know they have different strengths and people who use them typically use more than one strength and if you get just two of the high quality Schneider ones you will be at the cost of a Sigma 35:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1458174-REG/schneider_68_095182_82mm_true_net_beige_1.html

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1458175-REG/schneider_68_095277_77mm_true_net_beige_2.html

Nov 08, 2022 at 10:38 PM

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p.28 #16 · p.28 #16 · Sigma 35mm f/2 DG DN Contemporary Review

Steve Spencer wrote:
Wrong again. I was responding to your post in which you mentioned the 45 not the 35. I did get sucked into your thread hijacking for that post, but quickly pulled away. I won't get sucked in again.

As to diffusion filters you do know they have different strengths and people who use them typically use more than one strength and if you get just two of the high quality Schneider ones you will be at the cost of a Sigma 35:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1458174-REG/schneider_68_095182_82mm_true_net_beige_1.html

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1458175-REG/schneider_68_095277_77mm_true_net_beige_2.html

That's because you either did't read carefully or you deliberately misinterpreted my post. It was a question to darrelic on whether a diffusion filter couldn't address what he stated to be excessive "punch". You just saw Sigma 45mm mentioned there (as a reference for softer looks) and charged like a bull on a red cloth. Should I also take your mention of the Voigtlander 75 f/1.5 as a thread highjack attempt?

You will need 3 of those filters in order to make a comparable price to the Sigma 35 on the same B&H site. Not to mention that they are quite oversized for the Sony 35 that has a 55mm filter size.

Such a pity Leca doesn't make diffusion filters, you could have won the thread.

Nov 09, 2022 at 09:41 AM

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p.28 #17 · p.28 #17 · Sigma 35mm f/2 DG DN Contemporary Review

Ad earlier described I tried not less than three copies of the Sigma 35/2. They were all weak at the midzone (right side only) and I returned them one by one. I suspect it was an early bad batch sent to Sweden and Denmark.
I'm still somewhat interested in the lens and so I returned to this thread. Seeing the level of the discussion here was a disappointment.
"Won the thread"? Really?

Nov 09, 2022 at 10:20 AM

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p.28 #18 · p.28 #18 · Sigma 35mm f/2 DG DN Contemporary Review

Jonas B wrote:
Ad earlier described I tried not less than three copies of the Sigma 35/2. They were all weak at the midzone (right side only) and I returned them one by one. I suspect it was an early bad batch sent to Sweden and Denmark.
I'm still somewhat interested in the lens and so I returned to this thread. Seeing the level of the discussion here was a disappointment.
"Won the thread"? Really?

I've never seen a "bad copy" of this lens but there is some normal variation. The mid-field is a bit weaker due to field curvature, at least for infinity focus. I still own it just because there is some SA when shooting wide open (especially at close distance), so the lens is not super corrected like Sony lenses. For those who like smooth transition zone, this lens is a great choice.

Nov 09, 2022 at 01:09 PM

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p.28 #19 · p.28 #19 · Sigma 35mm f/2 DG DN Contemporary Review

vdo1 wrote:
That's because you either did't read carefully or you deliberately misinterpreted my post. It was a question to darrelic on whether a diffusion filter couldn't address what he stated to be excessive "punch". You just saw Sigma 45mm mentioned there (as a reference for softer looks) and charged like a bull on a red cloth. Should I also take your mention of the Voigtlander 75 f/1.5 as a thread highjack attempt?

You will need 3 of those filters in order to make a comparable price to the Sigma 35 on the same B&H site. Not to mention that they are quite...Show more →

The whole problem is you treat every interaction as about who wins the thread. That is not what threads at FM are supposed to be about. I didn't read your post wrong and you didn't ask darrelic a question. You argued (rather than questioned). You said and that is all you said, "there's a new kid in town called "Glimmerglass". Beats even the legendary Sigma 45/2.8" Now how is that a question? It isn't. It is an argument and a pretty poor one and that is why I responded to it even though it was off topic. My bad. The next time you make bad off topic arguments I will do my best to ignore them. It is hard to ignore such statements sometimes, however, when they are such bad arguments.

Nov 09, 2022 at 06:51 PM

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Steve Spencer wrote:
[...] You said and that is all you said, "there's a new kid in town called "Glimmerglass". Beats even the legendary Sigma 45/2.8" Now how is that a question? It isn't. [...].

If you didn't feel it was a question, why did you answer it?

Not to mention the strawman type of response - I say "Glimmerglass is new", you argue that "Not a new kid in town at all. Diffusion filters have been around for decades.". Do you even know when Tiffen introduced Glimmerglass?

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