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Archive 2020 · Mark Smith on the R5 and the 100-500mm

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Methodical wrote:
I am full frame and using no TCs on the lenses (100-400 and 600II). This has me puzzled. I thought I read somewhere that this happens when using an adapter vs a native lens. I know the border is showing the limits of the AF points.

Thanks for the the feedback.

I just edited my post above. With the 400DOII even with a 1.4TC on it the borders are full frame.

Nov 13, 2020 at 04:28 PM

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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · Mark Smith on the R5 and the 100-500mm

arbitrage wrote:
I just edited my post above. With the 400DOII even with a 1.4TC on it the borders are full frame.

Uhmmmmm.

Well, I'm headed to Conowingo Dam tomorrow, maybe I'll spot Mark.

Nov 13, 2020 at 05:48 PM

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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · Mark Smith on the R5 and the 100-500mm

Ron's practical assessment.
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Nov 13, 2020 at 06:25 PM

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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · Mark Smith on the R5 and the 100-500mm

I must say that having both the zoom and the 600mm prime lens makes for a perfect birding setup. However, I am probably going to stick to the 100-400mm IS II that I have for the zoom. I got my copy from Lensauthority, and their lenses always seem to be sharper than the average lens.

Nov 13, 2020 at 10:00 PM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Mark Smith on the R5 and the 100-500mm

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I've seen other users report this from time to time on the forum. It seems to be somewhat specific to long teles, as other lenses may recover faster due to either size, distance, dof, or other reasons.

Yes, I am finding my R5 with my 600mm II with 1.4X III can get stupid trying to hit a bird in the sky. I am learning to pump the shutter if it didn't acquire, and in doing so will find the target. It is not bad, but not as good as my 5DSR. Once locked on, it is pretty amazing. But... this is when in Servo / Zone AF.

When using full + eye + animal... it is useless. Won't focus on a black bird in a clear blue sky. When it sees a smudge in the sky, its DIGIC brain turns to SHIGIC.

I discovered something else about focusing.... when you wake up the camera, it comes alive in two stages... the 1st is you can see... but the focus will not respond... then a moment later, the focus comes on-line. If you wake the camera by pressing the shutter half way and do not release it.... the focus just won't happen... or maybe it does but its brains are scrambled and it grabs anything (the wrong thing). You have to pump it. I missed more than a few birds bursting into view. I need a continuous power option. (Note I discovered this the other day with my 600 + 1.4 combo so that may have something to do with waking.)

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Nov 13, 2020 at 10:47 PM

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Yes, I am finding my R5 with my 600mm II with 1.4X III can get stupid trying to hit a bird in the sky. I am learning to pump the shutter if it didn't acquire, and in doing so will find the target. It is not bad, but not as good as my 5DSR. Once locked on, it is pretty amazing. But... this is when in Servo / Zone AF.

When using full + eye + animal... it is useless. Won't focus on a black bird in a clear blue sky. When it sees a smudge in the...Show more →

My suggestion, stop shooting BIF against sky

...those type of images suck anyways so why even bother? MILC AF systems function totally different than DSLRs. It has taken me almost 3 years to get the hang of them. They are not the be all end all but I wouldn't go back to a DSLR AF system even if you paid me to at this point. (especially a 5DSR which was next to useless for BIF).

That said, I don't have much issue pointing my R5 at a BIF against sky. It will usually grab it. But of course it will depend on how grossly OOF the bird is. Once it gets it I rarely see it lose it...although I have seen it struggle on occasion but it isn't the norm.

Nov 14, 2020 at 08:03 AM

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Methodical wrote:
Uhmmmmm.

Well, I'm headed to Conowingo Dam tomorrow, maybe I'll spot Mark.

Have fun!!

It does seem odd that the 400DOII would show full coverage but the 100-400II and 600II don't? I don't have any of those lenses to check. Are you certain you aren't accidentally in 1.6x mode? Maybe it is just lens dependent. Adapting EF glass onto my Sony cameras has a lot of variation on how far laterally the AF works depending on the lens.

Nov 14, 2020 at 08:07 AM

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The phenomenon where a mirrorless camera will not grab focus from a far OOF point is confirmed by me using a regular EOS R. (just got one, I'm a slow adopter) I have found that this offers an advantage for BIF shots. Once focused on the bird, camera does not seem to jump to a background cloud or far away tree if my tracking is jumpy.
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Nov 14, 2020 at 08:27 AM

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I have not heard that from any other owners.

Any of them want to comment on that aspect

I can also confirm that initial focus lock with a 600 II is slower than my 1DX II on initial lock if the subject is grossly out of focus. I've partially mitigated this by assigning one button to Zone and the other to Eye AF. The nice thing is that once it locks it typically holds the lock better than any DSLR I've ever used. To be fair I got the same initial delay with my 7D2 . 1 Series cameras simply snap those big lenses into lock faster. I've heard that has to do with higher voltage coming from the batteries, but I'm not sure if that's true. For me, that initial lock is becoming faster as I get to know the camera and adjust my technique. I typically try an Eye AF lock then cycle to Zone and then back. It doesn't really take as long as you think.

Nov 14, 2020 at 08:57 AM

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Soaring birds.... yep, they end up in my bit bin.... but what else are going to shoot when you're standing around, shivering, and board out of your mind.... and I refuse to shoot Canada Geese!

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Nov 14, 2020 at 09:05 AM

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Bruce n Philly wrote:
Soaring birds.... yep, they end up in my bit bin.... but what else are going to shoot when you're standing around, shivering, and board out of your mind.... and I refuse to shoot Canada Geese!

Peace
Bruce in Philly

I know, I'm guilty of it too

I also now refuse to shoot Canada Geese, if the Cackling Geese show up I'll shoot them as they are sort of cute.

Nov 14, 2020 at 09:39 AM

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Imagemaster wrote:
I have not heard that from any other owners.

Any of them want to comment on that aspect

That is an excellent point, and I'm grappling with that at the moment. I love the R5, but panning with fast moving aircraft, especially with longer focal lengths, is a real challenge. I keep thinking that I just need to refine my technique for the mirrorless quirks, but I'm not sure that particular nuance can be overcome.

Nov 14, 2020 at 10:01 AM

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arbitrage wrote:
My suggestion, stop shooting BIF against sky

...those type of images suck anyways so why even bother? ...

;-)

https://www.gdanmitchell.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/SandhillCranePairInFlight20160226-1.jpg

(I know you were mostly joking... :-) )

An off-the-top-of-my-caffeine-deprived-head thought for those with OOF issues: Does your lens have a range limiting switch? If so, see if that helps.

BTW, as fellow a goose bigot, I almost never will photography anything other than Ross's or snow geese.

Dan

Nov 14, 2020 at 10:13 AM

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Let's see if those stinkin' cranes know how to whiffle.

Nov 14, 2020 at 11:46 AM

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The Grumman Goose is the easiest goose to track.

Nov 14, 2020 at 01:14 PM

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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · Mark Smith on the R5 and the 100-500mm

Dunno, I kind of like flying busses and I marvel when they land behind my place on the spit of water we have out back. Saw a group take off in a perfect V out of a pond the other day. It was pretty cool.

Nov 14, 2020 at 07:25 PM

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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · Mark Smith on the R5 and the 100-500mm

arbitrage wrote:
Have fun!!

It does seem odd that the 400DOII would show full coverage but the 100-400II and 600II don't? I don't have any of those lenses to check. Are you certain you aren't accidentally in 1.6x mode? Maybe it is just lens dependent. Adapting EF glass onto my Sony cameras has a lot of variation on how far laterally the AF works depending on the lens.

Yeah, I'm in full frame mode. Just to confirm, when you have the 400 connected, the white bars are all the way at the corners of the frame, correct?

Thanks...

Nov 14, 2020 at 07:50 PM

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Methodical wrote:
Yeah, I'm in full frame mode. Just to confirm, when you have the 400 connected, the white bars are all the way at the corners of the frame, correct?

Thanks...

Yes, as far as they could possibly go to the extreme corners with the 400DOII +/- TCs. Same as the 100-500 without a TC.

Nov 14, 2020 at 08:01 PM

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armd wrote:
Dunno, I kind of like flying busses and I marvel when they land behind my place on the spit of water we have out back. Saw a group take off in a perfect V out of a pond the other day. It was pretty cool.

barf.

Nice pic, but the subject... well.... barf.

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Bruce in Philly

Nov 14, 2020 at 08:03 PM

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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · Mark Smith on the R5 and the 100-500mm

arbitrage wrote:
Yes, as far as they could possibly go to the extreme corners with the 400DOII +/- TCs. Same as the 100-500 without a TC.

Thanks. I need to check into this.

Nov 14, 2020 at 08:17 PM

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