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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · A7C VS Q2 size comparison with Loxia 35mm and Sony 35mm 2.8


A few quick shots of the a7C with 35mm loxia and Sony 35mm 2.8 attached. Looking forward to testing it out.



























Oct 29, 2020 at 04:56 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · A7C VS Q2 size comparison with Loxia 35mm and Sony 35mm 2.8


Looks pretty snappy with the Zeiss viewfinder! And looks quite compact with the Zony 35. I'm also looking forward to your tests...


Oct 29, 2020 at 05:00 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · A7C VS Q2 size comparison with Loxia 35mm and Sony 35mm 2.8


Got to say that that Sony F2.8 35mm looks a peach of a lens - Suites the body so well.


Oct 29, 2020 at 05:02 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · A7C VS Q2 size comparison with Loxia 35mm and Sony 35mm 2.8


The A7C/Loxia and Q2 look like they'd be pretty close without the lens hoods


Oct 29, 2020 at 05:19 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · A7C VS Q2 size comparison with Loxia 35mm and Sony 35mm 2.8


Looks great! I have the same Zony 35mm that is begging me to buy an A7c to pair with lol

Would love to hear your thoughts on performance, handling, and EVF impressions on the camera.

Oh, and that Q looks oh so sweet. Would love to have the budget for one as a second system, but unfortunately it is not so.



Oct 29, 2020 at 08:00 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · A7C VS Q2 size comparison with Loxia 35mm and Sony 35mm 2.8


The Zony 35/2.8 has also got a nice domed hood.


Oct 29, 2020 at 08:20 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · A7C VS Q2 size comparison with Loxia 35mm and Sony 35mm 2.8


Nice, I just picked up an a7C myself and paired with a Sigma 45mm 2.8... very interested to see how yours stacks up against the Q2 (which is on my wishlist)...


Nov 11, 2020 at 11:23 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · A7C VS Q2 size comparison with Loxia 35mm and Sony 35mm 2.8


Although its an old thread I hope the OP is stille available to answer… How is the autofocus speed and accuracy with the 35mm 2.8 on the A7c? Physically it looks like a great combo, but my 28mm f2.0 has let me down slightly when it comes to eye-AF so Im looking for conpact replacements, 35mm 2.8 or 40mm 2.5…



Apr 29, 2022 at 08:49 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · A7C VS Q2 size comparison with Loxia 35mm and Sony 35mm 2.8


Sondera wrote:
Although its an old thread I hope the OP is stille available to answer… How is the autofocus speed and accuracy with the 35mm 2.8 on the A7c? Physically it looks like a great combo, but my 28mm f2.0 has let me down slightly when it comes to eye-AF so Im looking for conpact replacements, 35mm 2.8 or 40mm 2.5…


I don't own an a7C so I can't comment for certain, and I hope someone else will chime in.

However, I do own a 35mm f/2.8 and an a9.

The 35 f/2.8 has superb autofocus in my experience. It is fast and accurate and reliable. I have never personally encountered a situation where I was disappointed by its autofocus performance and thought to myself "ah, a different lens on the a9 would have done that better".

The a9 is not the a7C. But if I have never felt lens-limited by the 35 f/2.8 on an a9 then you shouldn't ever feel lens-limited by it on your a7C. That's not to say that the combo might never somehow be less than perfect on autofocusing, but it wouldn't be the lens' fault. The 35 is quite an old lens but, like its close sibling the 55mm f/1.8 (both of similar age, both with similar build quality and Sony-Zeiss design), its autofocus is superb and I have not encountered a situation of missed focus that wasn't user-error, or the slowness of the camera body itself (with bodies other than the a9).

I don't own the 28mm f/2 so I can't compare or give context. The 28 is a cheaper lens. Perhaps its autofocus was never as good as the 35, I don't know, that's a wild guess. When people discuss the 28 they mostly refer, to a rather distracting/eclipsing extent, to its image quality shortcomings such that perhaps AF has seldom come up in discussion. The 35 is not a perfect lens by any means, merely "quite good, especially for the size" but is generally regarded to be a higher-quality lens than the 28.

I also don't own or have any familiarity with the 40mm f/2.5. But what I read of it when it was new and first reviewed gave me the impression that it is simply a bit better, all-round, than the 35 f/2.8, for being a much newer lens (perhaps sharpness wide-open on the highest-megapixel sensors, especially in the corners, is superior... for example). So I would expect it to perform well for you. I would be very surprised if such a new, mainstream Sony lens had deficient autofocus. Of course, there's the big question of whether the focal length is right for you. 40 is an even greater departure from what you wanted with the 28 than the 35 was.

I don't think you'll go far wrong with the 35 or the 40. Let focal-length preferences define your decision between the two. But hopefully someone with more direct experience will respond.



Apr 30, 2022 at 07:41 AM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · A7C VS Q2 size comparison with Loxia 35mm and Sony 35mm 2.8


Thanks for a great answer @GHarris!
I have actually been totally happy with the image quality of the 28mm f2, especially for environmental portraits and social settings. Great sharpness (center frame), nice rendering and beautiful falloff/bokeh. But I have seen that with my very active two-year old the eye focus is far less reliable than my other Sony lenses.

Since getting the A7c I have wanted to keep my walkaround prime as small and lightweight as possible, and although the 40mm is newer (and probably a tad better) its a bit too close to the 55mm, I would rather stay in the 28/35mm range. I do have the Sony 35mm 1.8, but have never really loved it, so I am considering to replace it with a used Zony 35 to keep the kit as small as possible. And the combo looks very sweet from the OPs images. 😇



May 01, 2022 at 05:04 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · A7C VS Q2 size comparison with Loxia 35mm and Sony 35mm 2.8


Sondera wrote:
Thanks for a great answer @GHarris@!
I have actually been totally happy with the image quality of the 28mm f2, especially for environmental portraits and social settings. Great sharpness (center frame), nice rendering and beautiful falloff/bokeh. But I have seen that with my very active two-year old the eye focus is far less reliable than my other Sony lenses.

Since getting the A7c I have wanted to keep my walkaround prime as small and lightweight as possible, and although the 40mm is newer (and probably a tad better) its a bit too close to the 55mm, I would rather stay in the
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I should add a minor exception to my remarks about AF performance. The 35 2.8 Zony, like the 55 1.8 Zony, can only autofocus at a maximum of 15 fps on the highest-end bodies like the a9 and a1. An old table is provided here with details: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1492817

This, paradoxically, does not mean that its autofocus is slow. Both the 55 and the 35 have good fast autofocus. But they were released in 2013 or 14 (I forget) and perhaps there is some communication protocol issue that prevents them from letting rip at 20 or 30fps. Nevertheless, their autofocus is fast and good. There are lenses on the "can do 20fps" table whose autofocus performance is much slower, like the old Sony 50mm f/1.8, so the table doesn't mean what you might think it means - it's not an indicator of what lenses focus best.

This point is academic for your a7C but I'm just mentioning it for the sake of future-proofing awareness (perhaps you will upgrade bodies one day, to an imaginary a7Cii, etc) and the prevention of unhappy surprises. I find that autofocussing at extreme burst speeds is not something I ever actually wish to do with my a9. The fact that the autofocus is reliable and fast at lower burst speeds is all I want from it, and is a different kind of performance, a more relevant and real-world performance, than the maximum shooting rate statistic. I said earlier that there is never a time when my 35 2.8 is capable of less than top performance on my a9 - that has been true, for me. When I shoot at 10fps or 5fps or whatever I never get missed shots that are attributable to the lens. Whatever it is that prevents it from shooting at 20fps, and which never matters to me, does not affect general AF behaviour.

You mention the 55 Zony as if perhaps you own it. If so, good. That gives you a point of reference. Both the 35 and 55 are Zony lenses of the same vintage and build quality. The autofocus performance of them is the same in my opinion. The 55 is a slightly better lens all-round, however. It has slightly more punch/pop/clarity... sharpness and contrast, which I find I can notice whenever I use both lenses to take photos of the same subject. But, like I say, the 35 is quite good - especially for its size. And they do have a lot of character in common. The 55 is just... a bit better.

I'm relieved you are finding that other lenses, on your a7C, give you a better autofocus hit rate than your 28. That does indeed suggest that you will be able to obtain satisfactory performance with a change to the 35 and that your a7C is not the limiting factor. A hurtling toddler is a hard target!

The bokeh from the 35 2.8 is not amazing, just 'okay' (I refer not to the quantity, of course, which is inherent to the aperture, but the character). Much the same is said of the small 40 2.5, I believe. I don't know the 28 well enough to know whether its bokeh is 'better' than these - but since you said that you find the 28's bokeh and falloff very pleasing (and I've no idea whether it is very different in style to the 35 or not) I'm just mentioning the ambiguity so that nothing is an unpleasant unexpected surprise for you.

Hopefully nothing that you found displeasing about the Sony 35 1.8 will also be displeasing in the 35 2.8. (Hopefully you were only referring to size). The Sony 35 1.8 is a quite good, not perfect lens - so is the 35 2.8. One is a Zony, the other is a much newer Sony, they aren't direct siblings (the Zony probably has more of a dab of the Zeiss-style colour character, albeit only a weak dab of it compared to most Zeiss lenses)

... they aren't the same: but they're both quite-good, not-quite-perfect 35s (with the 1.8 being a better lens when stopped down to 2.8, than the Zony 2.8 is wide-open... I believe. I am not very familiar with the 1.8 myself, just remembering old reviews). I'm just mentioning all this to give you context and fair warning. Both 35s are a distinct overall image-quality cut above the 28mm f/2 by common consensus so hopefully nothing will disappoint you. I just don't know whether there was something unique about the 28's bokeh character that you will miss. The Zony lenses have somewhat contrasty, stark bokeh, potentially with a bit of LOCA - I wouldn't describe it as smooth, exactly. Anyway, waffle over...!



May 02, 2022 at 03:51 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · A7C VS Q2 size comparison with Loxia 35mm and Sony 35mm 2.8


Wow, thanks again @GHarris, really appreciate you taking the time to give such great and detailed answers. Its people like you that gives these forums so much value and joy!

"The fact that the autofocus is reliable and fast at lower burst speeds is all I want from it, and is a different kind of performance, a more relevant and real-world performance, than the maximum shooting rate statistic."
Yes, exactly my thoughts. I very rarely use the full burst as Im not into wildlife or sports, and for my little boys the eye-af tracking is normally so good that I can shoot only a few frames. Maybe the AF issue I sometimes see with the 28mm is that its an older lens that cant keep up with the great real-time tracking of the A7C?

I do have the 55mm and really love the image quality coming from it. I see many call it "uninspiring" and "lack character" but I have always been really fond of this lens. The 35mm 1.8 on the other hand I dont really like the rendering and often busy bokeh, so never been super excited about that lens bth. But I have never experienced any AF issues with either the 35mm or 55 1.8, so if the 35mm 2.8 is in the same category I might give it a try. Either buy used or rent for a weekend. :-)



May 02, 2022 at 08:39 AM
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Sondera wrote:
Wow, thanks again @GHarris@@, really appreciate you taking the time to give such great and detailed answers. Its people like you that gives these forums so much value and joy!

"The fact that the autofocus is reliable and fast at lower burst speeds is all I want from it, and is a different kind of performance, a more relevant and real-world performance, than the maximum shooting rate statistic."
Yes, exactly my thoughts. I very rarely use the full burst as Im not into wildlife or sports, and for my little boys the eye-af tracking is normally so good that I can shoot
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As the guy who walked into a camera shop last week planning to p/x inter alia a Samyang 35/2.8 for the Sigma 35/2 but ended up walking out with the Sony 35/1.8, my take is that if you don't have a problem with its AF, while there are specific things other lenses may do better, it is a quality Swiss army knife of a lens I'd say just learn to work with.



May 02, 2022 at 08:41 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · A7C VS Q2 size comparison with Loxia 35mm and Sony 35mm 2.8


Is the A7C viewfinder good for manual focus with the Loxia lens?


May 02, 2022 at 09:37 PM





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