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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · How bad is Olympus/Panasonic BIF in reality?


I keep hearing about M43 not being as good as Sony or newer Canons. For those who used Olympus as well as recent cameras from Nikon/Sony/Canon would you mind sharing your practical experiences compared to say G9/EM1.3/M1X? If not for small, Is it usable for big birds like cranes, ducks etc ?


Oct 18, 2020 at 06:19 AM
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I have a Nikon D500, Sony A7R3 (Just upgraded from A73), Panasonic G9 and EM1.3, and still have my EM1 original. I shoot BIF, along with surfers, airshows and boating events having faster action, but overall it is only 15-20% of what I shoot. Never tried a Sony A9, which most others say is the best, but my Nikon D500 is not that far behind and is generally considered the 2nd best option. Here is my list of the cameras I own as to which is the best and what I believe would be my normal percentages of keepers* with each. I never use the tracking features, as most don't work that well, but usually AF-C at 3-6FPS with a 5 or 9 point AF spot.

~D500 - 75% with Nikon 300mm f4 ED-IF or 70% with 70-200 f2.8 VR1 (15 year old lenses.)
~Sony A73 - 65% with Sony 100-400 f4.5-5.6 GM.
~EM1.3 - 60% with Olympus 40-150 f2.8 Pro.
~G9 - 50% Using my 40-150 f2.8 Pro lens, so no Dual DFD. With my Panasonic 100-300 Ver1 f4-5.6 zoom it is not as good the Oly and does not allow for the Dual DFD either. I give it a 40% rating.
~EM1 (original) - 20% Using 40-150 f2.8 Pro-Have 2 EM1 bodies, same for both. Huge improvements with newer EM1's.

If you look at the BIF pages here on FM, in the majority of the photos the birds are not moving. For those situations the M4/3 is great and usually with much added reach, but with a skilled hand the moving BIF can be done as many posters have shown, you just won't get quite as many keepers. For me I am more than happy with the results of my new EM1.3 given the limited amount of action shooting I do. In fact because the AF is so much better on the EM1.3 vs my G9 or old EM1, I will most likely buy the new Oly 100-400 lens, as the reviews are pretty darn good on it and it does add IS to the mix, even though it is 3 axis and not 5 axis, but still better than none.

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* Just so you don't think I pulled these numbers out of the air, back in Jan 2018 I did a 6,500 photo BIF test shoot with my D500, G9 and EM1 and these numbers are generally based upon that. But both the D500 and G9 have had FW upgrades since then, plus I had the D500 serviced, which helped raise the AF accuracy a bit, so this is reflected in what is above and a bit different than the original test. The Sony with the 100-400GM and EM1.3 with the 40-150 f2.8 Pro have been shot at the same test location this year, though not as extensively as in the test.

In case your interested, here is my 2 part test:
https://www.mu-43.com/threads/g9-with-birds.96288/post-1113694

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Oct 18, 2020 at 02:36 PM
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The new Olympus 100-400 is very good. I've had it since early September.
Unfortunately, the air quality and weather have been awful for BIF (or any other type of outdoor activities).

I've successfully used the Olympus em 1.2 and the Olympus 75-300 for birds of all sizes, stationary and in flight. Big birds, such as the OP's question are easier than the small birds.

There are some great m43 bird photographers. Check the Olympus website. Of course, your results may vary.

The only Canon I've used recently was an SX70. I left that behind for m43.



Oct 18, 2020 at 05:05 PM
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Oct 18, 2020 at 06:26 PM
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Sagar wrote:
I keep hearing about M43 not being as good as Sony or newer Canons.


No M4/3 will give you these results:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1668669



Oct 18, 2020 at 08:46 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · How bad is Olympus/Panasonic BIF in reality?


I know what you mean. I am yet ready to carry that kind of gear (weight/size/price ratio) as I am just getting interested into bird and wildlife and portability is much more important. If I could get images as good as yours I will then think about whether I need FF

This thread and image threads have been very helpful. I did end up ordering EM1.3, now have to figure out the lens now may be 300 with 1.4TC or new 100-400. Will not be adding anything else until there is more clarity around OM Digital Solutions future path

Imagemaster wrote:
No M4/3 will give you these results:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1668669




Oct 19, 2020 at 09:02 AM
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Sagar wrote:
I know what you mean. I am yet ready to carry that kind of gear (weight/size/price ratio) as I am just getting interested into bird and wildlife and portability is much more important. If I could get images as good as yours I will then think about whether I need FF

This thread and image threads have been very helpful. I did end up ordering EM1.3, now have to figure out the lens now may be 300 with 1.4TC or new 100-400. Will not be adding anything else until there is more clarity around OM Digital Solutions future path



Congrats on your EM1.3 purchase, it is a really great camera! As far as lenses, I am in the same position as you. I feel the biggest knock against the new Olympus 100-400 is the lens is a bit slow at f6.3 at the long end, but so are most FF zooms too. The 300 f/4 with 1.4 TC would be at f/5.6, only a 1/3 stop difference, but the convenience of the zoom cannot be discounted and that is where I am leaning. As you live in sunny Florida, and with me in sunny SoCal, I don't feel the f6.3 will affect us as much as someone living the higher latitudes or in more cloudy areas. On a typical Sunny 16 day we could shoot wide open at f6.3 with ISO 200 and get a 1/1200ss. A EC of +1/3 would put us at 1/1600ss. Go to ISO 400 and we are at 1/2400ss or 1/3200 ss with the EC of +1/3, this should cover most larger birds just fine without adding any noise.

If you shoot in the early morning or sunset hours then you will need to go upwards in ISO a few stops, but from what I have seen the EM1.3 is good even at ISO 3200. And of course there is always the DeNoise software.



Oct 19, 2020 at 11:09 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · How bad is Olympus/Panasonic BIF in reality?


I ended up getting Em1.3 and 300mm F4, got such a sweet deal..bought all new for lot less than what I sold my original used kit..so no regrets selling and buying actually ended up saving some bucks..I am back in Olympus Greentoe is really cool


Oct 19, 2020 at 02:11 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · How bad is Olympus/Panasonic BIF in reality?


Olympus is dead. Long live ... everything that is not.


Nov 10, 2020 at 10:51 PM





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