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Charlie N wrote:
Im listing practical reasons where Sony has advantages over all other manufacturers. Why wouldn’t a company want to Simplify? The PR aspect of it is a separate issue, it’s simply marketing. Canon marketed the he’ll out of the R5, Nikon the Z-mount, it’s normal.

Again, I have no beef with Sony. Only with the AP actively participating in a marketing effort that involves a multinational company they cover as a news organization. It's like the AP jointly declaring with the Trump campaign that they're from now on using Trump hotels exclusively. It looks bad.

Jul 24, 2020 at 12:22 PM

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johnvanr wrote:
You just don't get it. I don't give a hoot which system the AP uses. If they think Sony is best for them, good for them. I really don't care. I just don't think they should be in the business of making joint announcements with companies they also cover. If this had been a Sony-only announcement, like the Canon one in 2016, I'd be quiet because whether the AP uses Sony or Canon or mobile phones has no bearing on what my preferences are.

How is this different than the Canon announcement which had a bunch of quotes from AP and others about how great the Canon cameras will be. Wasn't AP endorsing Canon in that press release. How is that different than what AP is doing with Sony now. Endorsing is endorsing.

Jul 24, 2020 at 12:23 PM

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How is this different than the Canon announcement which had a bunch of quotes from AP and others about how great the Canon cameras will be. Wasn't AP endorsing Canon in that press release. How is that different than what AP is doing with Sony now. Endorsing is endorsing.

Saying something works well for them is quite different from making a joint announcement, but obviously the distinction is lost on most people here.

Jul 24, 2020 at 12:29 PM

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johnvanr wrote:
Saying something works well for them is quite different from making a joint announcement, but obviously the distinction is lost on most people here.

I'd put it another way. Only you can see a distinction and are having issues with this announcement. Others feel ok with how this business transaction was announced.

Jul 24, 2020 at 12:32 PM

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p.7 #5 · p.7 #5 · AP switching to Sony cameras

I'm just glad they are still using cameras. Many news services got rid of their photo staff, and just use their smartphones.

Jul 24, 2020 at 12:34 PM

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Jul 24, 2020 at 12:34 PM

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I think AP is just afraid of using equipment from a manufacturer that might go out of business.

Jul 24, 2020 at 12:37 PM

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p.7 #8 · p.7 #8 · AP switching to Sony cameras

Really? Which ones? I'm asking because I wanna see if I can tell a difference after knowing that their photography was done via smartphone.

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I'm just glad they are still using cameras. Many news services got rid of their photo staff, and just use their smartphones.

Jul 24, 2020 at 12:42 PM

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Really? Which ones? I'm asking because I wanna see if I can tell a difference after knowing that their photography was done via smartphone.

Many small town news papers and broadcasts use video and images from the public. Being there, which the public is everywhere with their phones, and getting it live is much more interesting than arriving late, missing the action but getting great images with a $5,000 outfit.

Jul 24, 2020 at 12:49 PM

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p.7 #10 · p.7 #10 · AP switching to Sony cameras

johnvanr wrote:
Again, I have no beef with Sony. Only with the AP actively participating in a marketing effort that involves a multinational company they cover as a news organization. It's like the AP jointly declaring with the Trump campaign that they're from now on using Trump hotels exclusively. It looks bad.
No, it does not look bad. Business partnerships are common and of course AP gets better deal and Sony gets publicity. If Trump was not sitting President it would be just fine if campaign got a better deal by exclusively using Trump hotels. It be just like Obama when he got $50 million from Netflix for producing something unspecified. Netflix gets publicity, Obama gets money. Just a business partnership.

Jul 24, 2020 at 12:49 PM

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I'm sure it also helps AP cut a better deal with Sony.

The deal might not have been financially better, but maybe Sony was more willing to work closely with AP going forward in Sony's photography and video development. Surely the features added to the A92 over what the A9 had was Influenced heavily by AP needs.

Jul 24, 2020 at 12:52 PM

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chez wrote:
I'd put it another way. Only you can see a distinction and are having issues with this announcement. Others feel ok with how this business transaction was announced.

Because the others are not journalists.

Jul 24, 2020 at 01:14 PM

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No, it does not look bad. Business partnerships are common and of course AP gets better deal and Sony gets publicity. If Trump was not sitting President it would be just fine if campaign got a better deal by exclusively using Trump hotels. It be just like Obama when he got $50 million from Netflix for producing something unspecified. Netflix gets publicity, Obama gets money. Just a business partnership.

A news organization goes by different rules than former presidents or most other businesses. And it should.

Jul 24, 2020 at 01:15 PM

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Really? Which ones? I'm asking because I wanna see if I can tell a difference after knowing that their photography was done via smartphone.

https://knightcenter.utexas.edu/blog/00-13991-chicago-sun-times-fires-entire-photo-staff-plans-train-reporters-take-pictures-smartph

And that was 7 years ago.

I'm sure you can easily find current examples. I see reporters essentially using selfie sticks.

Jul 24, 2020 at 01:18 PM

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johnvanr wrote:
Because the others are not journalists.

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" [...] AP today remains [...] the essential provider of the technology and services vital to the news business."

So this announcement is fully in line with APs self-description and important to show it to be future proof when providing services and tech to the news business.
It is the marketing department and top-management giving out this news.

Jul 24, 2020 at 01:40 PM

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Maybe a silent Sony A9II will be used in the White House though.

Jul 24, 2020 at 01:59 PM

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johnvanr wrote:
Because the others are not journalists.

The whole journalism industry depends on sponsors, and business deals for it existence.

Should news media like newspapers, magazines, TV news, on-line news sites not be allowed to accept money from advertisers of products.

How about accepting money from political organizations that they report directly on?

Pretty much every political reporter I know of also is a member of a political party, and supports candidates. Their shows accept political advertisements.

In all these cases it is the companies that make the deals, not the journalists themselves. That is the same situating with the AP and Sony deal. This level of separation is important. In fact, I think an argument could be made that there is less of a likelihood of conflict of interest in this arrangement than one where the journalist selects and purchase is own equipment. He is more likely to have a bias in that circumstance. Sort of like being given a car to drive during work, and choosing a car to drive personally. Which car do you think someone is more likely to have a personal feeling for?

I think you are trying to set a standard that doesn't exist, and never has.

Jul 24, 2020 at 02:00 PM

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Maybe the announcement is less about endorsing Sony and more about shoving it in Canon and Nikon's face.

The message is that the next time around, Canon and Nikon better be more aggressive about product development and in trying to win the contract with a good price.

Jul 24, 2020 at 02:03 PM

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p.7 #19 · p.7 #19 · AP switching to Sony cameras

johnvanr wrote:
A news organization goes by different rules than former presidents or most other businesses. And it should.

obviously... if you knew anything about journalism, you'd know that the ap has codes of conduct for what they do: https://www.ap.org/about/news-values-and-principles/

you have made repeated libelous inferences out here, that the ap can't/won't adhere to their own standards of conduct, and you haven't backed up anything that you've claimed.

the ap has a long history of relationships with camera manufacturers, going back to when companies made cameras to ap specs, for the ap, to the point that the ap sold those cameras itself:

"AP, Kodak Unveil NC2000; Electronic Camera Is the First Designed for News Photographers
NOT 48 HOURS after the Super Bowl in Atlanta and only days before the opening of the Winter Olympics in Lillehammer, Norway, the Associated Press and Eastman Kodak Co. introduced the News Camera 2000.
After years of developing digital cameras and with considerable contributions from the AP, which supplied the news application specifications, Kodak designed and built a model strictly to meet the needs of news photographers."
https://www.questia.com/magazine/1G1-14959528/ap-kodak-unveil-nc2000-electronic-camera-is-the

"...At that announcement, it was explained that the "NC" was short for "News Camera", making its purpose plain. This filmless wonder that would carry photojournalism into its future was manufactured by Kodak with design guidance and development funding from the Associated Press. It boasted a 1.3-megapixel CCD — and the unprecedented advance of removable storage media — in a digital sub-assembly built around a Nikon N90 (F90) film SLR. All for a cool US$17,950. It would be marketed and sold exclusively by the AP."
http://www.robgalbraith.com/multi_page3e5f.html?cid=7-6463-7191

Jul 24, 2020 at 02:26 PM

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p.7 #20 · p.7 #20 · AP switching to Sony cameras

I'm speaking to the deaf. No wonder people don't know what to think of the mainstream media and thus think whatever suits their purpose.

Jul 24, 2020 at 02:49 PM

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