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p.5 #1 · p.5 #1 · EM1x + 300mmpro/1.4xTC vs. Sony A6400 + 200-600mm

Good day Imagemaster.
Thanks for taking the time to prove and illustrate my point of m4/3 being suited to capturing fluke BIF shots unless the BIF are at a great distance and flying parallel to camera...then we are rewarded with a couple useless keepers of a tiny detail-less bird at a great distance.
Very kind of you.
I gather you and arbitrage are close neighbors so perhaps you might lend him your gear in order for him to trouble shoot it for you. I would love to but it's a distance thing you know.
Plus there is that thing that we both know no one will ever be able to use any current m4/3 gear to successfully capture the same results posted by arbitrage...including arbitrage.
I assume most folks would know the reason arbitrage, and others, occasionally posts such large BIF burst sequences of 80-150 images simply is to prove how well the AF focus of the their current equipment works.
Of course you, me, and anyone else well experienced with m4/3 equipment and BIF would never shoot burst sequences remotely close to those numbers as we would simply be filling our cards with OoF images a lot sooner than normal.
----another funny point-----
...i've been using the EM1X for nearly 2.5 years and the EM1mkII for a few years before that.
So...more than 5 years of unceasing 'trying to figure out' how best to set-up the camera to capture BIF....and still failure after failure after failure.
arbitrage, and plenty others using equipment other than m4/3, are able to, and have proved so, take their camera equipment nearly straight out of the box and immediately capture results unfathomable using m4/3 equipment.
Funny heh?

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p.5 #2 · p.5 #2 · EM1x + 300mmpro/1.4xTC vs. Sony A6400 + 200-600mm

fadeslayer wrote:
I had many sequences OK, I would say that with 100-400mm I had 50% success in BIF with ZERO previous experience, but reach was a problem. So I swapped lens with 200-600, and in the beginning I was quite satisfied, both for AF and IQ. Lately, something went wronger and wronger, and I struggle to get focused shots in full bursts, but sometimes it works like a charm for 60% of shots. Definitely something to check here, I agree.

I have a question still: could sensor dust affect autofocusing?

I don't think so. It sounds like you should send your equipment in to Sony.

Sep 23, 2021 at 10:31 AM

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p.5 #3 · p.5 #3 · EM1x + 300mmpro/1.4xTC vs. Sony A6400 + 200-600mm

Paul_100A wrote:
Good day Imagemaster.
Thanks for taking the time to prove and illustrate my point of m4/3 being suited to mainly capturing fluke BIF shots when reasonably close up BIF images, BIFs at a distance and not on a z axis, and parallel to focal plane.
Very kind of you.
I gather you and arbitrage are close neighbors so perhaps you might lend him your gear in order for him to trouble shoot it for you. I would love to but it's a distance thing you know.
Plus there is that thing that we both know no one will ever be able to...Show more →

Paul, I'll admit I have been a little bit of a complainer when it comes to m43 AF-C, but you should not have failure after failure. Yes, it is true that the Sony A9 makes BIF easier (not to even mention the A1) and the camera is very fast at focus acquisition but the EM1x should give you some in focus shots - although a lower percentage.

Sep 23, 2021 at 10:47 AM

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p.5 #4 · p.5 #4 · EM1x + 300mmpro/1.4xTC vs. Sony A6400 + 200-600mm

galenapass wrote:
Paul, I'll admit I have been a little bit of a complainer when it comes to m43 AF-C, but you should not have failure after failure. Yes, it is true that the Sony A9 makes BIF easier (not to even mention the A1) and the camera is very fast at focus acquisition but the EM1x should give you some in focus shots - although a lower percentage.

failure after failure in my opinion may not match other's opinions so i'll explain...
when I shoot BIF, which I try to do often, I often come home with burst sequences that are comprised of mainly OoF images leaving little to sometimes nothing to pick from.
plenty sequences have no focused images whatsoever to choose from.
those worst burst sequences are more often occurring as the BIF action nears to camera and/or on Z axis.
---Some wondered if I did not shoot long enough bursts so I am not giving the camera/AF enough time to get some keepers.
---I do, and have many times, start capturing a BIF burst sequence from a distance and keep the shutter pressed (and or bump) and as the bird nears...and voil'a the number of OoF increases exponentially the nearer the bird gets all the while remaining well centered and under the AF target group.
So the beginning images of the sequence where the birds are at a distance are of no use to me and when the birds begin to fill the frame, which is what I want, I get mostly OoF. failure.
i can and will say again that, at those close distances, i am able to keep the bird centered and/or over the currently selected AF groups/points. For a year or more I no longer use the EE1 and I am still able to keep the birds well centered using EVF.
some issues are not related (i think) strictly to AF as some images have no areas in focus...which, to me, is indicated an issue unrelated to AF. I normally turn IS/IBIS off when attempting BIF as I do get a little better keeper rate.
I want close up BIF images. Images with detail present.
so...I state, in my opinion, that coming home time after to time to find so many of my BIF images OoF and so often none to choose from, is a waste of my time and resources and therefor a failure time after time after failure after failure.
i am not complaining suffering from outright equipment failures.
If I were happy with BIF images shot at great distances I would be reporting success after success after success.

Sep 23, 2021 at 12:22 PM

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p.5 #5 · p.5 #5 · EM1x + 300mmpro/1.4xTC vs. Sony A6400 + 200-600mm

blah, blah. What is funny is that after years of using gear that does not meet your expectations, you still have it.

Therein lies your problem. Bye.

Sep 23, 2021 at 02:29 PM

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p.5 #6 · p.5 #6 · EM1x + 300mmpro/1.4xTC vs. Sony A6400 + 200-600mm

Paul_100A wrote:
failure after failure in my opinion may not match other's opinions so i'll explain...
when I shoot BIF, which I try to do often, I often come home with burst sequences that are comprised of mainly OoF images leaving little to sometimes nothing to pick from.
plenty sequences have no focused images whatsoever to choose from.
those worst burst sequences are more often occurring as the BIF action nears to camera and/or on Z axis.
---Some wondered if I did not shoot long enough bursts so I am not giving the camera/AF enough time to get some keepers.
---I do, and have many times,...Show more →

I see either Sony or Canon in your future.

Sep 23, 2021 at 02:44 PM

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p.5 #7 · p.5 #7 · EM1x + 300mmpro/1.4xTC vs. Sony A6400 + 200-600mm

Imagemaster wrote:

blah, blah. What is funny is that after years of using gear that does not meet your expectations, you still have it.

Therein lies your problem. Bye.

blah blah blah indeed Sir. very well put.
since you are obviously interested...
---my lack luster BIF results have always bothered me but I considered the issue to be mostly my fault (inexperience/incorrect camera settings/user error etc.) for the longest while.
other results (static/perched birds) always pleased me so I've spent years trying to figure out how to improve my BIF success so that I could be satisfied with m4/3 on a whole and stay with the 4/300.
no such luck.
I am leaving.
why now you ask?
So glad you asked.
because I am spending more time travelling further out and more often. costs related this hobby are growing and i can no longer accept these garbage results from this inferior equipment. Period.
---it never helped that the manufactures of this equipment remained silent all the while too with regards to explaining best settings for specific purposes. which only left many users to assume the equipment is indeed inferior (with regards to BIF).
I've requested assistance from, explaining my BIF predicament/issue and flat out asking numerous times, Olympus/OMDS what exactly are the best settings to achieve best possible BIF results.
I'm sure many can/will correctly guess the responses I received.
Yes, I never once ever received a direct answer.
I feel I've done all I can do to figure out best BIF settings/practices with this equipment. I feel I've implemented numerous advices from other users to the best I can and I feel I've put enough practice time in. I seriously doubt I can progress any further than where I am at now with m4/3 and BIF.
I'm nowhere near satisficed with the BIF results I get now so I am indeed out.
----funny thing----
To this day I am still not 100% sure that I am (maybe I am ?) using the very best choice of settings to capture BIFs and that may be a big part of the problem (or not) and speaks rather poorly of the manufactures of the equipment. I'll leave that at that lest I land myself in trouble for disparaging those poor OMDS folk.
----another funny thing---- no m4/3 user's (Pro, Visionary or whomever else) BIF results have impressed me enough to convince me to "keep giving it the ol' college effort" with m4/3.
posting single fluke images of a BIF and/or a BIF burst sequence from a great distance is not what "I" consider satisfactory nor impressive and is what I can currently also achieve...much unlike the results I regularly see from Canon/Sony users.
---I'll likely be going down your road with a recent Sony FF milc body and the FE 200-600.
I've never touched a Sony FF milc newer than my 2012 A7II model and never touched an FE 200-600 but I'll bet you a dollar that within a short while I will be getting much better BIFs results using Sony's non-flagship kit than I ever fluked with Olympus's flagship kit.
I also very much like the Canon R3 but the 100-500 being at a 100mm deficit to the FE 200-600 at the long end might be a little too much to focal length to lose.
----I don't plan on trading(giving away) in my Oly kit for a few pennies so if the "WOW" camera ever materializes and is actually worth anything....just think...maybe we'll meet again and continue on with our super fun conversations.
won't that be nice?

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Sep 23, 2021 at 05:04 PM

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p.5 #8 · p.5 #8 · EM1x + 300mmpro/1.4xTC vs. Sony A6400 + 200-600mm

galenapass wrote:
I see either Sony or Canon in your future.

most absolutely. decisions, decisions.

Sep 23, 2021 at 05:06 PM

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