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Archive 2020 · EM1x + 300mmpro/1.4xTC vs. Sony A6400 + 200-600mm

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p.3 #1 · p.3 #1 · EM1x + 300mmpro/1.4xTC vs. Sony A6400 + 200-600mm

True ... but packing and traveling with the 100-500L is easier because it’s shorter (when retracted) and lighter.

And I am comparing the 100-500L to the 200-600 instead of the 100-400 because Mike is interested in the 200-600 and not the 100-400.

tzhang4284 wrote:
The photo comparison is a bit misleading. The 200-600mm is an internal zoom design which allows it to balance well on a gimbal. The Canon 100-500mm is more closely related to the Sony 100-400mm which zooms in and out. The sony is also a slightly shorter design while the canon goes out to 500mm vs 400mm and peaks at 7.1 vs f5.6. The Canon looks like a solid zoom lens but don't think there's any magic applied here - just a different set of design tradeoffs based on what they think customers want.

Jul 19, 2020 at 09:17 PM

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p.3 #2 · p.3 #2 · EM1x + 300mmpro/1.4xTC vs. Sony A6400 + 200-600mm

Bobby, you make any gear look good

I often think the choice of gear is a self fulfilling prophecy - if, after enough trials, the buyer is convinced it’s a good kit, then they will be happy with the images they make.

However if one gets a camera or lens with some doubts at the back of their mind, those will definitely get magnified over time, at which point the gear upgrade eventually happens

The 5D4 has been maligned for its AA filter but that has not stopped people from making gear images with it. The 100-400 II is not a prime but again, it is used to make great images. Even the older 100-400 Mk1 makes great images on a 5D3 or 5D2 .. the only connection I see here is that those folks are convinced that that is a fine enough combo.

I see the same thing happening with m43. Those who are enthusiasts will brush aside all talk of flaws and keep making images that make them happy.

Please keep making images at the same pace with whatever gear you choose for us to appreciate

bobbytan wrote:
True ... but packing and traveling with the 100-500L is easier because it’s shorter (when retracted) and lighter.

And I am comparing the 100-500L to the 200-600 instead of the 100-400 because Mike is interested in the 200-600 and not the 100-400.

Jul 20, 2020 at 12:39 PM

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p.3 #3 · p.3 #3 · EM1x + 300mmpro/1.4xTC vs. Sony A6400 + 200-600mm

visualpauses wrote:
Bobby, you make any gear look good

I have found that once you get beyond a certain level in your gear ... it's what's in your feet (and vision) that can make a bigger difference than what's in your bag.

That's not to say that different gear can't make a difference ... but, I can buy the same gear that Bobby, Tony or Mike (et al) has. And, if my feet don't let me get me anywhere close to where their feet take them ... then my biggest problem is a foot problem, not a gear problem.

That is, unless my gear is what's keeping me from moving my feet.

Jul 20, 2020 at 12:47 PM

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p.3 #4 · p.3 #4 · EM1x + 300mmpro/1.4xTC vs. Sony A6400 + 200-600mm

There is no bad camera or lens today. Good gear (including m43 gear), good capture skills, a good grasp of the science and art of photography and what makes or break an image, and (most importantly IMO) good post production and editing skills ... are all part of the photography chain link, and your photos are only as good as the weakest link.

RustyBug wrote:
I have found that once you get beyond a certain level in your gear ... it's what's in your feet (and vision) that can make a bigger difference than what's in your bag.

That's not to say that different gear can't make a difference ... but, I can buy the same gear that Bobby, Tony or Mike (et al) has. And, if my feet don't let me get me anywhere close to where their feet take them ... then my biggest problem is a foot problem, not a gear problem.

That is, unless my gear is what's keeping me from...Show more →

Jul 20, 2020 at 03:30 PM

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p.3 #5 · p.3 #5 · EM1x + 300mmpro/1.4xTC vs. Sony A6400 + 200-600mm

bobbytan wrote:
There is no bad camera or lens today.

Although, some are mo' better than others.

Just kinda depends on what your needs / wants are.

Jul 20, 2020 at 04:21 PM

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p.3 #6 · p.3 #6 · EM1x + 300mmpro/1.4xTC vs. Sony A6400 + 200-600mm

All I know is every time I pick up and shoot the A9II/200-600 +/- 1.4TC I wonder why I'd ever need anything else.....

Jul 20, 2020 at 04:49 PM

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p.3 #7 · p.3 #7 · EM1x + 300mmpro/1.4xTC vs. Sony A6400 + 200-600mm

visualpauses wrote:
The 5D4 has been maligned for its AA filter..

Wait. What?

The 5D4 has an AA filter?

Has there been a recall?

Does fstoppers know?

All those ruined images....

Jul 20, 2020 at 05:13 PM

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p.3 #8 · p.3 #8 · EM1x + 300mmpro/1.4xTC vs. Sony A6400 + 200-600mm

arbitrage wrote:
All I know is every time I pick up and shoot the A9II/200-600 +/- 1.4TC I wonder why I'd ever need anything else.....

That’s where I am. On the one hand, a R5 would be nice because I can use my 500mm f/4 on it, but on the other hand, the Sony gear delivers for much less money. Also, for Sony I can get smallish normal and wide lenses, which are not available yet from Canon. I don’t like the ergonomics of my A9, but the A9II would be much better in that regard (though still not Canon or Nikon level). Anyway, still waiting...

Jul 20, 2020 at 07:06 PM

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That’s the beauty ... we are spoiled with many good options!

RustyBug wrote:
Although, some are mo' better than others.

Just kinda depends on what your needs / wants are.

Jul 20, 2020 at 08:29 PM

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p.3 #10 · p.3 #10 · EM1x + 300mmpro/1.4xTC vs. Sony A6400 + 200-600mm

Lol

fstoppers

Aristophanes wrote:
Wait. What?

The 5D4 has an AA filter?

Has there been a recall?

Does fstoppers know?

All those ruined images....

Jul 20, 2020 at 10:03 PM

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p.3 #11 · p.3 #11 · EM1x + 300mmpro/1.4xTC vs. Sony A6400 + 200-600mm

Ergonomics of a9II is fine. I had a7rIII before this and I vastly prefer these newer bodies. They have gone for knobs/dials on top, 4 dials sitting there. Grip is nice and camera has become a bit chunkier. AF on button and few other buttons are deeper and bigger. I feel i do not fight the camera anymore though that may be because of a9AF more than ergonomics.

johnvanr wrote:
That’s where I am. On the one hand, a R5 would be nice because I can use my 500mm f/4 on it, but on the other hand, the Sony gear delivers for much less money. Also, for Sony I can get smallish normal and wide lenses, which are not available yet from Canon. I don’t like the ergonomics of my A9, but the A9II would be much better in that regard (though still not Canon or Nikon level). Anyway, still waiting...

Jul 21, 2020 at 07:28 AM

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p.3 #12 · p.3 #12 · EM1x + 300mmpro/1.4xTC vs. Sony A6400 + 200-600mm

bobbytan wrote:

Meanwhile, here's an image comparison between the 100-500L (3lbs) and the 200-600G (4.65lbs).

If you take all the extra dollar bills the Canon costs, and stack them on top of the lens, the size gets much closer to the Sony.

Jul 21, 2020 at 10:23 AM

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p.3 #13 · p.3 #13 · EM1x + 300mmpro/1.4xTC vs. Sony A6400 + 200-600mm

molson wrote:
If you take all the extra dollar bills the Canon costs, and stack them on top of the lens, the size gets much closer to the Sony.

Jul 21, 2020 at 10:35 AM

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p.3 #14 · p.3 #14 · EM1x + 300mmpro/1.4xTC vs. Sony A6400 + 200-600mm

tzhang4284 wrote:
The photo comparison is a bit misleading. The 200-600mm is an internal zoom design which allows it to balance well on a gimbal. The Canon 100-500mm is more closely related to the Sony 100-400mm which zooms in and out. The sony is also a slightly shorter design while the canon goes out to 500mm vs 400mm and peaks at 7.1 vs f5.6. The Canon looks like a solid zoom lens but don't think there's any magic applied here - just a different set of design tradeoffs based on what they think customers want.

+1

I see the 100-500 as Canon taking the 100-400 II (concept) and tweaking it a bit such that it takes advantage of the R Mount sitting closer to the sensor ... swapping that 400 @ 5.6 for a 500 @ 7.1 (vs. a TC giving you 560 @ 8). Possible advantage @ split the diff, but no TC expense or mount / remove involved. Imo, this is the "split the diff" between the 100-400 II with / without a TC. Guessing 400 will be around 6.3, instead of 5.6. (Probably a spec out there some where to show me wrong.)

For the shooter who is fine with a TC and f/8 ... the 100-500 makes an alternative approach to (similar reach / aperture relationship) the 100-400 II + TC.

Add TC's to both, and you're at 560/8 vs. 700/10. If the 100-500 behaves WO with TC like the 100-400, you may want to come off of WO a smidge, which takes you to 11 or 13 for a 1/3 or 2/3 stop down. Meanwhile, the 100-400 with 2X puts you at 800/11 (WO).

Imo, these are really all the same FL / aperture relationship ... just different ways of getting to the same thing.

NOTE: Photo comparison is only with EF>R adapter on the 100-400 (TC not attached, which would add more yet).

Jul 21, 2020 at 10:44 AM

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Imagemaster wrote:
Thanks. About the only difference where I find the III better is the EVF is a lot better.

For tracking action, the A9 leaves Oly in the dust.

The advantages of the Oly are size, weight, Pro Capture, and the in-camera bracketing options.

Many thanks Tony, much appreciated feedback.

One more question: Which shutter of the E-M1 Mark III are you using for your bird shots?

TIA, K-H.

Aug 03, 2020 at 06:32 PM

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k-h.a.w wrote:
Many thanks Tony, much appreciated feedback.

One more question: Which shutter of the E-M1 Mark III are you using for your bird shots?

TIA, K-H.

You're welcome. Electronic shutter 99% of the time.

Tony

Aug 04, 2020 at 10:26 AM

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p.3 #17 · p.3 #17 · EM1x + 300mmpro/1.4xTC vs. Sony A6400 + 200-600mm

Imagemaster wrote:
You're welcome. Electronic shutter 99% of the time.

Tony

Thanks Tony. A new Olympus Firmware update came out today.
https://cs.olympus-imaging.jp/en/support/imsg/digicamera/download/software/firm/e1/

After having gotten used to the blackout free A9 EVF,
the blackouts in my E-M1 II and III are now very noticeable to me.

Thanks again, K-H.

Aug 04, 2020 at 11:00 AM

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k-h.a.w wrote:
Thanks Tony. A new Olympus Firmware update came out today.
https://cs.olympus-imaging.jp/en/support/imsg/digicamera/download/software/firm/e1/

Possible to use in-camera focus stacking mode with "M.ZUIKO DIGITAL ED 100-400mm F5.0-6.3 IS"

After having gotten used to the blackout free A9 EVF,
the blackouts in my E-M1 II and III are now very noticeable to me.

Noticeable to me also, but not the least bothersome.

Aug 04, 2020 at 11:46 AM

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p.3 #19 · p.3 #19 · EM1x + 300mmpro/1.4xTC vs. Sony A6400 + 200-600mm

visualpauses wrote:
Lol

fstoppers

Yep... as the quality of the gear goes up, the quality of the social media influencers goes down.

Aug 10, 2020 at 03:47 PM

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p.3 #20 · p.3 #20 · EM1x + 300mmpro/1.4xTC vs. Sony A6400 + 200-600mm

I revamp this thread but... After 2 years with Sony A7RII and 100-400mm GM, and 2 years of A9, one with 100-400mm GM and the last 14 months with 200-600, I am seriously considering jumping all-in to Olympus EM1x + EM1 II/IIi, with 8-25f4, 40-150, 300 pro with 1.4x and maybe 100-400mm, all for a bit more than my whole Sony kit (which is only few pieces - one body with grip and 3 batteries, 24-105, 200-600, an heavy tripod I could sell keeping lighter one I have) if purchased as used. I am suffering handholding A9 with grip and 200-600, given I am more and more inside ornithology.

I am quite struggling with AF reliability of my A9, I mainly shoot like a birder so sudden subjects showing up far or unexpected, and A9 is very poor in getting focus on these subjects. Second, f6.3 means very high ISO too often for my liking, where with 300 pro I would keep it a stop and a 1/3 lower for the same DOF and a 1kg/10cm less in my hands (faster reaction to subjects)...

Am I crazy?

Sep 18, 2021 at 07:02 AM

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