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Archive 2020 · Now In-Stock: Sony FE 12-24mm f/2.8 GM ($2,998)

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SouthwestS2K wrote:

Tony concludes (with pictures) the 16-35GM is sharper than the 12-24GM, from 16-24mm. Also that the 12-24GM has less ghosting in strong backlight. I would think the 12-24GM would be sharper, being a newer lens, and looking at the MTF's at 24mm.

Jul 09, 2020 at 01:30 AM

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pdmphoto wrote:
Tony concludes (with pictures) the 16-35GM is sharper than the 12-24GM, from 16-24mm. Also that the 12-24GM has less ghosting in strong backlight. I would think the 12-24GM would be sharper, being a newer lens, and looking at the MTF's at 24mm.

Others found no difference in sharpness to the Sigma. So without controlled measurements, optimally from lensrentals.com, one shouldn't rush to judgments.

Jul 09, 2020 at 03:36 AM

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p.9 #3 · p.9 #3 · Now In-Stock: Sony FE 12-24mm f/2.8 GM ($2,998)

shadow9d9 wrote:
I think some people just want the "best" toys. Slightly better in the corners and overall. Better flare resistance too. Huge difference? No. Value? No.

I was quite surprised when they announced this. I am hoping for a 300 2.8, tilt shift, or longer macro.

Ditto, I think they should have concentrated on a better addition to the range, like you said, a 2.8/300 or such. This is the three or four 50mm options in a short space of time all over again.

Jul 09, 2020 at 05:52 AM

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p.9 #4 · p.9 #4 · Now In-Stock: Sony FE 12-24mm f/2.8 GM ($2,998)

Yeah I was a bit surprised to see tony find the corners of the 16-35 better than the 12-24 gm in the 16-24 range but thats just one image that is difficult to draw a conclusion from. Still that coma performance at 12mm 2.8 is very unique and exciting.

Probably will be a while until lensrental gets their hands on this new GM. Until then we can either release GAS or dream on 😁

Jul 09, 2020 at 08:20 AM

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p.9 #5 · p.9 #5 · Now In-Stock: Sony FE 12-24mm f/2.8 GM ($2,998)

It took every bit of strength I could muster to not allow GAS to get the better of me and not click the Pre-Order button, like I typically do with GM lens releases.

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Jul 09, 2020 at 08:29 AM

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p.9 #6 · p.9 #6 · Now In-Stock: Sony FE 12-24mm f/2.8 GM ($2,998)

InFocus2014 wrote:
It took every bit of strength I could muster to not allow GAS to get the better of me and not click the Pre-Order button, like I typically do with GM lens releases.

For once, logical thinking (briefly) flashed through my brain. I have about $750 invested in the Nisi 100mm filter system for my GM 16-35mm and Laowa 12mm, so making the change would have been costly, all things considered. Since I do little astrophotography, the gain in corner Coma performance on the GM lens will not be a big deal, to me.

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I used to get caught up in testing and lens comparisons and spent a lot of time reading reviews and forums and my own testing and comparing.

A few years ago realized that when you buy one of the true stars that Sony or Voigtlander releases unless you end up with a bad copy which is unlikely today that I can skip all the time and effort and enjoy the lens and what it can do for me.

All the reviews I have read confirm that Sony has done it again and anyone paying attention already understands that Sony has not been half ass'ing it the last few years with their top lenses. There is little if any reason to worry about a new Sony lens anymore, they are all exceeding what most expect.

The Sony 12-24 28 GM is not going to disappoint (quite the opposite) at any FL or aperture or lighting condition it is simply the best there is right now.

Anyone who is going to lose sleep over whether or not a 16-35 GM has a tad bit more corner sharpness at 24mm F9 or differences in coma at F2.8 at 16mm just likes to fret and worry. All you need to know is it is as good as it gets today and enjoy.

If paying more for it than a Sigma 14mm bothers you don't buy it.

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Jul 09, 2020 at 09:53 AM

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sismailian wrote:
Yeah I was a bit surprised to see tony find the corners of the 16-35 better than the 12-24 gm in the 16-24 range but thats just one image that is difficult to draw a conclusion from. Still that coma performance at 12mm 2.8 is very unique and exciting.

Probably will be a while until lensrental gets their hands on this new GM. Until then we can either release GAS or dream on 😁

Tony found the coma performance of the 12-24/4 to be better than the 12-24/2.8, but he compared them both wide open. The 12-24/2.8 had less noise, since it was shot at ISO 800 vs. 1600 on the A7r4.

Jul 09, 2020 at 11:15 AM

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The comparisons at 16-24mm were only done at F2.8. I wonder if the differences become less noticeable at f4-8.
Also the Sony wide angle zooms in general, tend to perform better at the lower focal ranges.
In the "old" days with Canon and perhaps Nikon too-- seemed like the wide angle zooms performed best in the middle or higher focal ranges and a lot more lens to lens variation.

Jul 09, 2020 at 12:34 PM

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p.9 #9 · p.9 #9 · Now In-Stock: Sony FE 12-24mm f/2.8 GM ($2,998)

pdmphoto wrote:
Tony concludes (with pictures) the 16-35GM is sharper than the 12-24GM, from 16-24mm. Also that the 12-24GM has less ghosting in strong backlight. I would think the 12-24GM would be sharper, being a newer lens, and looking at the MTF's at 24mm.

Thanks for summarizing so I don't have to watch that guy.

Jul 09, 2020 at 06:46 PM

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Fred Miranda wrote:
The Sigma was on sale for $1,199 three months ago:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1641983

Yeah, rub it in

Seriously though, if this lens gets down to $2k (used even), i will buy it. Problem is I have too many hobbies that are not cheap, especially living here in Utah.

Jul 09, 2020 at 08:08 PM

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p.9 #11 · p.9 #11 · Now In-Stock: Sony FE 12-24mm f/2.8 GM ($2,998)

Tony may have a very strong copy of the 16-35.

sismailian wrote:
Yeah I was a bit surprised to see tony find the corners of the 16-35 better than the 12-24 gm in the 16-24 range but thats just one image that is difficult to draw a conclusion from. Still that coma performance at 12mm 2.8 is very unique and exciting.

Probably will be a while until lensrental gets their hands on this new GM. Until then we can either release GAS or dream on 😁

Jul 09, 2020 at 10:09 PM

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Justin Stone wrote:
Tony may have a very strong copy of the 16-35.

And/or a really weak copy of the 12-24 f/2.8 GM.

Jul 10, 2020 at 08:53 AM

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Steve Spencer wrote:
And/or a really weak copy of the 12-24 f/2.8 GM.

If one pays $3,000 for a lens...there should not be any weak copies.

Jul 10, 2020 at 09:12 AM

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p.9 #14 · p.9 #14 · Now In-Stock: Sony FE 12-24mm f/2.8 GM ($2,998)

As always I'm late to the party. I already have too many lenses between 14 and 24mm including the Sigma, so I'm not in the market for the GM, but I think Steve has - as always - a point re the importance of this lens for Sony's lens line-up. If one has the financial means and needs/wants one UWA to do it all from 12mm up, then this new GM is probably the ticket.

Sony still needs to churn out more of those "no holds barred" lenses to round out their line-up (28 cousin of the 24 GM, a 35-40 GM, 300 2.8, 500 4, and possibly version II of the 70-200 GM) to go with more compact G offerings like the recent 20 1.8. Most of those GM's (except for a potential 28mm cousin of the 24 GM) won't be compact, but plenty of users are willing to put up with that apparently. At least enough to convince Sigma to continue churning out Art lenses and enough to convince Canon and Nikon to produce plenty of (very) fast glass for their mirrorless systems. Of course, Sigma is a different story (and price segment), but for the camera makers these (very) expensive lenses probably offer decent profit margins, even if they sell only a comparatively small amount of units.

Given the market dynamics, I don't blame Sony for going that route, even though the lens isn't for me.

Jul 10, 2020 at 09:13 AM

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chez wrote:
If one pays $3,000 for a lens...there should not be any weak copies.

Nonsense, there are weak copies of every lens that is mass produced just the way it is and that is especially true of every zoom that has ever been produced. I won't bother to copy the reports from Lensrentals blog on copy variation, because I am sure you have read them, but the bottom line is copy variation is a fact of life no matter what the cost of a lens and the differences Tony saw could be the result of copy variation from either lens.

Jul 10, 2020 at 09:45 AM

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Steve Spencer wrote:
Nonsense, there are weak copies of every lens that is mass produced just the way it is and that is especially true of every zoom that has ever been produced. I won't bother to copy the reports from Lensrentals blog on copy variation, because I am sure you have read them, but the bottom line is copy variation is a fact of life no matter what the cost of a lens and the differences Tony saw could be the result of copy variation from either lens.

I'm not doubting there is copy variation...but with high end glass I'd expect none. The manufactures just got us conditioned to expect it to their advantage and our loss.

Jul 10, 2020 at 10:20 AM

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chez wrote:
I'm not doubting there is copy variation...but with high end glass I'd expect none. The manufactures just got us conditioned to expect it to their advantage and our loss.
There are several variables.
Usually the manufacturing includes a quality check and determines whether the lens is inside the margin of error. If so, there is still copy to copy variation, but only within this band of variance.
The question is how many lenses are checked for copy to copy variation and to what extent (automatically, inspection by an engineer, etc.). That's not possible for volume lenses, but Otus, Leica, 400/2.8, 600/4 type of lenses and maybe for this one, too, more checks should be in order and are likely.
However, there is still the possibility of tranportation issues. If I compare the lenses send to me by a good photo store and amazon, there is a clear difference in packaging. Take the Zeiss foam packaging and compare it to the one found for Samyang in addition and I bet there are still, albeit rare, some outliers possible.

Jul 10, 2020 at 10:46 AM

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p.9 #18 · p.9 #18 · Now In-Stock: Sony FE 12-24mm f/2.8 GM ($2,998)

I just spoke to Aurora and they thought it will be possible to add a magnetic rear filter to the new 12-24/2.8 GM.

"After looking the new Sony FE 12-24/2.8 GM, we believe we will be able to put a magnetic filter in the back."

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Here is how it works in other lenses like the Sigma 14-24/2.8 and FE 12/24/4 G:

Jul 10, 2020 at 11:50 AM

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Holger wrote:
There are several variables.
Usually the manufacturing includes a quality check and determines whether the lens is inside the margin of error. If so, there is still copy to copy variation, but only within this band of variance.
The question is how many lenses are checked for copy to copy variation and to what extent (automatically, inspection by an engineer, etc.). That's not possible for volume lenses, but Otus, Leica, 400/2.8, 600/4 type of lenses and maybe for this one, too, more checks should be in order and are likely.
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Packaging is all part of what you buy and I'd expect the packaging to withstand a certain level of drop tests. Where I worked we built delicate equipment for the sawmill industry where camera and lighting all in one package required very precise alignments. We developed packaging that with stood a 10' drop test. We shipped the equipment with a shock sensor in the packaging which triggered if a shock was detected stronger than what a 10' drop test would exhibit. It's then easy to see if the package suffered excessive shock.

Jul 10, 2020 at 12:22 PM

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Fred Miranda wrote:
The Sigma was on sale for $1,199 three months ago:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1641983

Got that plus a carbon fiber tripod and ball head thrown in. Not really having any Buyer's Remorse vs 3K, despite thinking Sony has a "Best of Breed" here.

Jul 10, 2020 at 12:51 PM

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