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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · ND1000 (10 stop) filters test comparison


So I tested 3 ND1000 (10 stop) filters today:
The Breakthrough photography X4 82mm
The Polar Pro quartz 82mm
The Lee filters Big Stopper 100mmx100mm

The camera was placed on a tripod with a 24mm lens, manually focused and with "daylight" white balance applied. I then took the test shot without a filter (photo #1) with exposure set at 0.
I then slowed my shutter speed by 10 stops and tested the filters one by one.
Can you guess which picture goes to which filter?

Edit:
From my observations:
Filter photo #2 was the one with the most vignette and the most color cast and also was over 10 actual stops as it was the darkest.
Filter photo #3 had the least (almost non existent color cast) but appeared to be maybe 1/3 of a stop less than actual 10 stops
Filter photo #4 looked like it was the closest to an actual 10 stop but had a slight color cast

All 3 filters had a negligible if not non existent change in lens sharpness (Sony A7III with Sony 24mm GM was the gear used btw)

To add to comments below:
Both 82mm screw on filters felt really good screwing on and off and both felt high quality


SPOILER ALERT

DO NOT READ BELOW IF YOU STILL WANT TO TRY TO GUESS WHICH IS WHICH


Photo #1: No filter
Photo #2: Lee big stopper
Photo #3: Polar Pro Quartz
Photo #4: Breakthrough X4





Photo #1 - no filter







Photo #2







Photo #3







Photo #4



Edited on Feb 15, 2020 at 12:45 PM · View previous versions



Feb 14, 2020 at 11:53 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · ND1000 (10 stop) filters test comparison


2 = Lee
3 = Breakthrough
4 = Polar Pro

Based only on reputation.



Feb 15, 2020 at 09:00 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · ND1000 (10 stop) filters test comparison


#2 is Lee for sure. Why people still buy it is beyond me.
Can't tell between the BT or PolarPro. #4 is a touch darker but not of any consequence. My buying decision would be based on the feel of the mounting ring and resistant coatings, and price.



Feb 15, 2020 at 09:51 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · ND1000 (10 stop) filters test comparison


Added a little bit more info to original post.
Let me know if you have any more questions or if you'd like to see more tests.



Feb 15, 2020 at 10:24 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · ND1000 (10 stop) filters test comparison


71sbeetle wrote:
Added a little bit more info to original post.
Let me know if you have any more questions or if you'd like to see more tests.


Thanks for doing the test. Interesting. I'm currently using both Haida and Benro (both excellent) and used NISI before (also great). If you can beg borrow or steal them and add them it'd get even more interesting



Feb 16, 2020 at 05:05 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · ND1000 (10 stop) filters test comparison


Here are a couple tests done by others.




Feb 16, 2020 at 01:08 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · ND1000 (10 stop) filters test comparison


chez wrote:
Here are a couple tests done by others.



Thank you for this! I had seen Matt Granger's video but not Christopher Frost's!

Things to note:
Most reviews I see say that the Polar Pro is the most expensive, yet it was the cheapest of the 3 I tested. The most expensive was the Breakthrough X4 at $190, followed by the Lee big stopper at $129 and then Polar Pro was $120 (although I got 25% off because I ordered 3 filters at once).

To me so far the Polar Pro one is the best as it has virtually no color cast, the X4 had a slight color cast and the Lee well ..... I can't believe I have used the Lee for so many years . I'm probably on my 3rd or 4th Big Stopper, but I think this will be the last!

I may keep the Polar Pro as screw on filter and buy a breakthrough X4 in 100x100 to replace my Lee

I did however test the 6 stop Polar Pro screw on and I got a pretty bad flare making the photo unusable ..... I need to retest it again to see if it only happens in extreme situations or more commonly (it didn't help that I used it on the 135GM that is already prone to flare without a filter either .....)



Feb 16, 2020 at 07:27 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · ND1000 (10 stop) filters test comparison


What did you do for color balance to establish the differences? Did you note what LR shows as the color balance of the various shots, and did you lock it down to see the delta from one to the next?

In my opinion, the most important thing about these filters isn't whether there is a slight (or maybe even somewhat substantial) color shift as long as the shift is relatively comparable across the spectrum so that the overall relationship of colors to each other remains constant and visually comparable.

If that is the case, even with a shift in color, you can apply color balance and bring the colors back to a relatively reasonable place.

To test this, I suggest you take the four images and do an eyedropper color balance on the white card that it appears you placed on the light stand. Use a pixel averaging selection (in PS you can do this, I don't recall if LR allows an averaged selection). Then, do the exact same color balance on the exact same place on the other images and then compare. Make a note of the color temperature and the tint settings. Then, look at what has happened to the various colors in the image relative to each other, and decide which one looks the most natural. This would be a lot easier to do if you included a Macbeth color chart, because when comparing directly, the differences will pop out to you; some colors will be suppressed, others enhanced, and the relative relationships can be assessed.

Some of the older ones (Lee and Formatt from years ago now) had considerable near-IR leakage and that really messed with the color relationships of some of the spectrum. The bottom two look quite good, and even the Lee might actually look fine once color balanced (but it's impossible to see that without actually the adjustments).

Lastly, I think the Polar Pro benefits from being a slightly bit higher in exposure. Normalize for that and the bottom two might be almost identical. There's plenty of room for minor adjustments in LR when the difference are that small.

I've not tried a Polar Pro, but the Breakthrough filters I have are really superb. Much better than the Formatt ones (and Lee apparently, but i haven't used one of those).



Feb 20, 2020 at 05:32 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · ND1000 (10 stop) filters test comparison


What I did was a little less involved I checked the rgb % on LR at the same spot on each picture (incidentally I used that white box you referred to, it's a housing for solar power for my weather station but worked great) over 3 different spots the only one that kept the ratio (or within 0.1% spread in one spot) was the polar pro, the x4 tended to have a bigger spread between red and green and even bigger between red and blue. It's not really scientific but what I can do is place all 4 raw files in a Dropbox and post them here if you want?


Feb 20, 2020 at 11:56 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · ND1000 (10 stop) filters test comparison


Another test for anyone who's interested: https://www.onlandscape.co.uk/2017/07/nd-filters/


Feb 21, 2020 at 07:01 AM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · ND1000 (10 stop) filters test comparison


I am surprised people keep flushing money down the drain buying the Lee Big Stopper. There's no fixing such an extreme color cast. Sure, you can spend time to make it look OK, but why?


Feb 26, 2020 at 03:01 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · ND1000 (10 stop) filters test comparison


Mexecutioner wrote:
I am surprised people keep flushing money down the drain buying the Lee Big Stopper. There's no fixing such an extreme color cast. Sure, you can spend time to make it look OK, but why?


Lee Big Flopper.



Feb 26, 2020 at 05:00 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · ND1000 (10 stop) filters test comparison


Mexecutioner wrote:
I am surprised people keep flushing money down the drain buying the Lee Big Stopper. There's no fixing such an extreme color cast. Sure, you can spend time to make it look OK, but why?


Because the allure of an established, English company, hand-dipping their filters gives some consumers the warm and fuzzies. And of course, the endorsements from famous photographers is confidence inspiring. In reality, various manufacturers have surpassed the Big Stopper in neutrality and coatings years ago. Today, consumers have Haida, Wine Country Camera, Nisi, PolarPro, Breakthrough, and probably half dozen other upstarts, who are making very good 10 stop, glass ND filters to choose from.



Feb 27, 2020 at 05:44 PM





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