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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · New Canon R5 Rumor

The latest from the mill...
Canon EOS R5 Specifications:

Named the Canon EOS R5
45mp full-frame CMOS sensor
IBIS
5 stops with IBIS alone
7-8 stops of correction when used with in-lens stabilization
12fps mechanical, 20fps electronic
Scroll wheel added to the back
No touch bar
Liveview/Movie toggle like previous EOS DSLRs
Larger capacity battery, but looks like the LP-E6
8K @ 30fps RAW
4K @ 120fps
4K @ 60fps
Built-in 5GHz WiFi
New battery, but the same shape and compatibility as the EOS 5D Mark IV
Announcement ahead of CP+ next month
Launching in July 2020 (I’m assuming this means ship date)

https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-r5-specifications/

Updated 1/29 with current spec and link

Edited on Jan 29, 2020 at 05:53 AM · View previous versions

Jan 27, 2020 at 08:30 AM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · New Canon R5 Rumor

They're not going to do that high a FPS when the 1D series barely does that for $6,500. My guess is maybe 12 max.

Jan 27, 2020 at 09:09 AM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · New Canon R5 Rumor

I really wish they would get rid of CR1 rumors. They need to keep things a little more "real" and not post up such garbage that could get some peoples hopes up artificially.

CR2's are worth discussing here and certainly CR3's but not this junk.

Jan 27, 2020 at 09:17 AM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · New Canon R5 Rumor

As the report states, the person with the "information" said that they couldn't be sure if they were seeing a "5" or a "S."

The odds that this would be a "S" successor to the high MP 5DsR are virtually nil. To the extent the the rumor is accurate, this is virtually certain to be a next camera in the lineage of the 5DIV. If so, the specifications seem quite good.

Dan

guidostow wrote:
The latest from the mill...
45mp (conflicting intel suggests also 40mp)
IBIS (In Body Image Stabilisation)
5 stops with IBIS alone
7-8 stops of correction when used with in-lens stabilization
14fps / 20fps (conflicting intel suggests also 12fps / 20fps)
Scroll wheel added to the back
No touchbar
Liveview/Movie toggle like previous Canon EOS DSLRs
Larger capacity battery, but looks like the LP-E6
8K@30fps RAW
4K@120fps
4K@60fps
Announcement ahead of CP+ next month

https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-rs-specifications-cr1/

This sounds to me more like a 5DmkIV replacement than a 5DS(R) replacement...

Jan 27, 2020 at 09:22 AM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · New Canon R5 Rumor

A sucker is born every minute with these CR1 rumors.

Jan 27, 2020 at 09:23 AM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · New Canon R5 Rumor

Lest you think the author at Canon Rumors is not reputable, the end of the article is this:

“ Again, I am a rumor site and a lot of you asked for me to post this information. You guys do a fabulous job of tearing stuff apart, so have a good time with this information.

As I said, I hope this post will bring some further information from other sources.”

Jan 27, 2020 at 09:29 AM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · New Canon R5 Rumor

guidostow wrote:
The latest from the mill...
45mp (conflicting intel suggests also 40mp)
IBIS (In Body Image Stabilisation)
5 stops with IBIS alone
7-8 stops of correction when used with in-lens stabilization
14fps / 20fps (conflicting intel suggests also 12fps / 20fps)
Scroll wheel added to the back
No touchbar
Liveview/Movie toggle like previous Canon EOS DSLRs
Larger capacity battery, but looks like the LP-E6
8K@30fps RAW
4K@120fps
4K@60fps
Announcement ahead of CP+ next month

https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-rs-specifications-cr1/

This sounds to me more like a 5DmkIV replacement than a 5DS(R) replacement...

Hmmm - I would be conflicted by this. 45mpx is less than 51 mpx 5DSR and if we are expecting an update to 5DSR (to 75mpx) do I wait? The difference in print size ability between 51 and 45 is about 5%. But the difference in print size between 75 and 45 is 30%. Canon needs to set out a path or people like me will sit on the side lines on bodies and this will cause us not to buy RF or EF lens too.

45 would at least cause me to consider buying it just for wildlife thought. The current 30mpx is hardly better than 5dsr cropped for resolution. And 45mpx is a small enough gap that I might leave my 5dsr at home for weight and the flip in adapter/lens filter for my ts17. But not if there is a high mpx pending.

Jan 27, 2020 at 09:29 AM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · New Canon R5 Rumor

Scott Stoness wrote:
Hmmm - I would be conflicted by this. 45mpx is less than 51 mpx 5DSR and if we are expecting an update to 5DSR (to 75mpx) do I wait? The difference in print size ability between 51 and 45 is about 5%. But the difference in print size between 75 and 45 is 30%. Canon needs to set out a path or people like me will sit on the side lines on bodies and this will cause us not to buy RF or EF lens too.

45 would at least cause me to consider buying it just for wildlife thought....Show more →

I think they're about to announce 2 new bodies. One being the long rumored 75mp(ish) 5DSR replacement and a lower mp speed demon to replace the 5D4. Perhaps it's this one, minus some of the outrageous specs. It would make sense if they announced them both at the same time so people like you and I wouldn't have to wait or wonder further and they could just take our money.

I just noticed another CR2 rumor that was posted a few days ago about the 7DIII replacement in the RF mount coming next year. This surprises me as I thought for sure we'd see it this year.
https://www.canonrumors.com/its-been-a-while-but-an-aps-c-equipped-eos-r-body-gets-another-mention-cr2/

Jan 27, 2020 at 09:46 AM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · New Canon R5 Rumor

I thought the rumor about an APS-C sensor R camera (and no plans for APS-C R lenses) was more interesting.

If confirmed that would mean that for ML Canon body you either buy a relatively modest spec (especially regarding AF, build quality etc.), affordable and light/compact EOS-M (compact/light mostly because of the 2/22 and a few other M lenses) - or a highend (probably faster and more capable AF?), very expensive APS-C R body that is forced to use primarily very big/heavy/expensive R lenses. Yes, such an APS-C R body could use other lenses (but not EOS M) with mount adapters, but that doesn't make much sense.

At some point the current conundrum of EOS-M and EOS R and future upgrade path needs to be resolved ;(

Jan 27, 2020 at 09:48 AM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · New Canon R5 Rumor

As others have mentioned, these specs seem to indicate this is the replacement for the 5D IV, and not the high MP camera 5Ds.

Either way, 45mp is a nice upgrade from my 5D3 and even if the FPS is less, this seems to indicate that it will be plenty for my needs.

Excited to see what is released next month...

Jan 27, 2020 at 09:59 AM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · New Canon R5 Rumor

technic wrote:
I thought the rumor about an APS-C sensor R camera (and no plans for APS-C R lenses) was more interesting.

If confirmed that would mean that for ML Canon body you either buy a relatively modest spec (especially regarding AF, build quality etc.), affordable and light/compact EOS-M (compact/light mostly because of the 2/22 and a few other M lenses) - or a highend (probably faster and more capable AF?), very expensive APS-C R body that is forced to use primarily very big/heavy/expensive R lenses. Yes, such an APS-C R body could use other lenses (but not EOS M) with mount...Show more →

I hope they keep the M. I have the M5 and its a perfect hiking, day time body with fantastic light lens (22/2, 11-22, 15-45 and 55-200) . In daylight its hard to do better than this system. And in a pinch you can adapt larger lens. But the really great thing about the M is the very small light and pretty good lens.

The R at 45mpx (or 75mpx) could be made to work in APSC mode electronically. Its seems redundant.

Jan 27, 2020 at 10:08 AM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · New Canon R5 Rumor

Scott Stoness wrote:
The R at 45mpx (or 75mpx) could be made to work in APSC mode electronically. Its seems redundant.

Yes, would not make much sense as you can't mount the small M lenses and Canon (according to the rumor) isn't going to make small (APS-C) R lenses either. Switching FF body to crop mode would possibly allow higher frame rate (depending on sensor design) but that's about it. It would be too expensive compared to current DSLR action bodies like D500 or 7D2 as well.

Jan 27, 2020 at 10:24 AM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · New Canon R5 Rumor

There are about 3 things on that list of specs that could be realistic, but the crazy 4K frame rate and 8K don't seem to be among them. Those numbers would require some HYUGE data throughput, and someone would have to come out with a 32 Terabyte MacBook Pro to store the files.

I can see the 40-45 mpx, perhaps 40 active, on a 45 mpx sensor, allowing for IS function. The number of stops of IS effectiveness seems pretty wild.

I'd be fine with the replacement of the Touch Bar by the 5D-esque joystick, or that new AF point moving gizmo as seen on the 1Dx III.

Basically, and I think the rumor site owners are alluding to this, most all of this seems too good to be true and thus probably is.

Jan 27, 2020 at 10:43 AM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · New Canon R5 Rumor

I think it naive to disregard competition as a driving force to new product development, and there is no doubt that Sony, with it's “E” Mount able to adapt Canon EF lens's, has been the principal “thorn in the side” for Canon; so it's logical that Canon would attempt to produce models that would not only directly compete, but excel in performance, on a model to model basis.

The recently rumored 32Mp FF, ML speck.'s seem to challenge Sony's A7-3.

This 40-45MP would seem to challenge Sony's A7R-3, as unlike Canon, Sony does not immediately discontinue a former model when upgraded .

The long rumored 75-80MP ML successor to the EOS 5DS/r DSLR would be to challenge and hopefully surpass Sony's A7R-4.

Jan 27, 2020 at 10:52 AM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · New Canon R5 Rumor

These specs are so far out there that there is just no way they could be true...

7-8 stops of stabilization on a FF sensor? Even the combined systems on the M43 don't achieve that (Olympus 6.5 at best).
14(12)/20FPS?....we know they could probably do this bandwidth wise but coming from EOS R of 3 or 5...seems a big jump.
But the really crazy, unrealistic specs come with the 8K/30 and 4K/120....seriously doubt that when the flagship 1DXIII isn't doing that.

So if a few of the specs are just really, really unlikely then I'd say the entire rumor is unlikely.

But everything points to a new RF mount camera in Feb so we don't have long to wait to see what is next.

Jan 27, 2020 at 11:49 AM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · New Canon R5 Rumor

The 8K seems a wish.
The 4K is okay but with a crop.
If canon would add 1080P 120fps.... they would catch up to everyone else.
Frame rate seems a little high.
Just don’t see a joy stick happening.
The new af on like the 1DXiii.... yes. That would be fast to move AF point around like a joy stick

Not sure why a Mac book pro matters. You would use proxies to edit anyway.
If you think this is would produce large video.... all I can say is BMPCC 6K.
You record to SSD’s.

Fun to create a wish list.

Jan 27, 2020 at 12:05 PM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · New Canon R5 Rumor

Ziffl3 wrote:
Not sure why a Mac book pro matters. You would use proxies to edit anyway.
If you think this is would produce large video.... all I can say is BMPCC 6K.
You record to SSD’s.

Pointing out the amount of hard disk space available, as well as maintaining the portability function of a laptop. Just using the MBP as an example, can be any computer really. The size of the files would be huge.

Jan 27, 2020 at 12:48 PM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · New Canon R5 Rumor

At least those specs aren't breaking any laws of physics

What we think we know about what kind of models are coming (like high resolution), is still only rumors. Things might be shaken up and the unexpected might happen.

This list sounds like a too big jump for Canon, but not unrealistic in the sense that they need to be just a bit better than the competition. I still think it is too good to be true. Anyway fun to read about rumors and the comments on the rumors.

Jan 27, 2020 at 01:23 PM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · New Canon R5 Rumor

Tom_W wrote:
Pointing out the amount of hard disk space available, as well as maintaining the portability function of a laptop. Just using the MBP as an example, can be any computer really. The size of the files would be huge.

On stills you would use smart previews
Video.... either build proxies or in davinci resolve you set you level of proxies and DR will handle it.

Really not an issue. You would be plugged in to an ssd and not work in the OS drive anyway.

Jan 27, 2020 at 02:17 PM

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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · New Canon R5 Rumor

Ziffl3 wrote:
On stills you would use smart previews
Video.... either build proxies or in davinci resolve you set you level of proxies and DR will handle it.

Really not an issue. You would be plugged in to an ssd and not work in the OS drive anyway.

Smart previews and put the files on external drives, I guess?

I am completely uneducated on Video, so I'll have to look up a few things. Like "proxies" and "DaVinci Resolve".

I just haven't really gotten into video at all, despite all of my cameras having the ability to one level or another. Well, except the 10D but that's more of a museum piece.

Jan 27, 2020 at 05:00 PM

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