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p.30 #1 · p.30 #1 · New Canon R5 Rumor

Zenon Char wrote:
This is what I have been using with the R. I'll get what I need to depending on the body I choose.

Yeah, I'd just start with that and see if it meets your needs....if not you can get a CFe later...

Jul 09, 2020 at 08:56 AM

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p.30 #2 · p.30 #2 · New Canon R5 Rumor

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What's the deal with this 100-500L + TC?

Compatible with optional Extender RF 1.4x and Extender RF 2x teleconverters ... when used within the 300-500mm range.

It must only have room in the rear when out at 300-500 so you can't zoom all the way back. I guess Canon must be confident that you won't damage the TC or rear lens element when you do hit up against the 300mm mark

Jul 09, 2020 at 08:58 AM

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p.30 #3 · p.30 #3 · New Canon R5 Rumor

arbitrage wrote:
It must only have room in the rear when out at 300-500 so you can't zoom all the way back. I guess Canon must be confident that you won't damage the TC or rear lens element when you do hit up against the 300mm mark

12 pin communication. Maybe it will detect when a TC is installed and throw "lock-out" pins to prevent it from being retracted past a certain point?
But then how does one attach a TC if it's fully retracted? Guessing you would have to extend it in order to attach the TC?

Jul 09, 2020 at 09:04 AM

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p.30 #4 · p.30 #4 · New Canon R5 Rumor

EverLearning wrote:
Yeah, Sony looked like an option when I last dug deep several months ago. It looked like an option from 30,000 feet anyway. But the lens adapters weren't as seemless as we were led to believe. So partially converting (using EF lenses) and giving up some action performance or fully converting and giving up buckets of money weren't options either.

At this point, it seems I have only two options. I can hope Canon drops the price on the R5 in the months ahead, that the US economy really struggles due to COVID and the CDN dollar moves closer to par...Show more →

Not sure why you're so hung up on the R5, especially coming from a 7DII..

R6 is no slouch if you're not shooting video. I mean, looking at the photographic capabilities of the two bodies side by side they're virtually the same. The newer 20MP sensor along with the processor will produce much better images than a 7DII.

Jul 09, 2020 at 09:30 AM

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p.30 #5 · p.30 #5 · New Canon R5 Rumor

arbitrage wrote:
Yeah, I'd just start with that and see if it meets your needs....if not you can get a CFe later...

Thanks

Jul 09, 2020 at 09:39 AM

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p.30 #6 · p.30 #6 · New Canon R5 Rumor

From the Canon USA Specifications page:

" In electronic shutter shooting under conditions such as flash firing by other cameras or with fluores-cent lighting or other flickering light sources, a strip of light or banding due to the brightness difference may be recorded in the image."

So this is not as fast of a read as A9

Jul 09, 2020 at 09:44 AM

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p.30 #7 · p.30 #7 · New Canon R5 Rumor

ajd93, you missed an important point in my post. I am presently reached-limited at times with my current set-up. I want a crop body (DSLR or mirrorless) OR the reach equivalent in a FF. A FF would have to be 51.7MP so I would be giving up about 12% reach as it is with the R5. Which is why a used EF 500mm came into the discussion. I have zero interest in shooting with a camera that will give me 7.9MP equivalent FOV to the 7D MII; no matter how much better the IQ may be because most of my prints are of the somewhat large variety.

I would personally prefer Canon to come out with the 7D Mark III or the R7, OR officially announce that they are parting ways with their 7D crop body shooters. I don't want to change brand but if Canon has no intention of ever addressing the needs of this 'demographic', just say so. I don't want to be sitting her at year 7 or year 8 of the 7D Mark II waiting/hoping that Can will get off their <bad word> and finally deliver.

Jul 09, 2020 at 09:48 AM

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arbitrage wrote:
From the Canon USA Specifications page:

" In electronic shutter shooting under conditions such as flash firing by other cameras or with fluores-cent lighting or other flickering light sources, a strip of light or banding due to the brightness difference may be recorded in the image."

So this is not as fast of a read as A9

I thought that the A9 also shows something under certain lighting conditions?

Jul 09, 2020 at 10:10 AM

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EverLearning wrote:
ajd93, you missed an important point in my post. I am presently reached-limited at times with my current set-up. I want a crop body (DSLR or mirrorless) OR the reach equivalent in a FF. A FF would have to be 51.7MP so I would be giving up about 12% reach as it is with the R5. Which is why a used EF 500mm came into the discussion. I have zero interest in shooting with a camera that will give me 7.9MP equivalent FOV to the 7D MII; no matter how much better the IQ may be because most of my...Show more →

I get your frustration for a new mid grade cropper, but in all fairness to Canon, does this image look like they have been setting on their xxx?
All within about 2 years?

Pick-up the R5 and slap a 1.4x tele on it and call it a day. Compared to the 7DII I'm pretty sure, from what we're seeing so far, you wont be disappointed.

Jul 09, 2020 at 10:12 AM

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p.30 #10 · p.30 #10 · New Canon R5 Rumor

If you are a 7D II shooter, then yes, they absolutely have been sitting on their xxx. September 15 will be SIX years without an upgrade to that genre of camera. And, since I already have a 1.4x on my 100-400 II and indications are this lens does not play particularly well with a 2x (manual focus and notably reduced IQ), that is not an option.

There have been a spoil of riches for those not reliant on the crop for distant wildlife (5DS, 5DSR, 1DX MII, 5D MIV, M6, 6D MII, R, RP, M6 MII, 1DX MIII, R5 and R6). All released since the 7D MII. But nothing that is a step up for the 7D MII shooters dependent on that crop factor. I really don't feel like I am asking too much of Canon. I know my frustration is evident. But that should not surprise anybody. Nearly six years and little more than a very soft rumour of relief for 7D MII shooters.

Jul 09, 2020 at 11:18 AM

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arbitrage wrote:
From the Canon USA Specifications page:

" In electronic shutter shooting under conditions such as flash firing by other cameras or with fluores-cent lighting or other flickering light sources, a strip of light or banding due to the brightness difference may be recorded in the image."

So this is not as fast of a read as A9

If it's only a single strip of light then that would imply a modestly fast scanout rate but slower than the A9's. Also, if the 4K 120P mode is achieved without line skipping (big assumption at this point) that would imply a readout rate of 1/120.

Jul 09, 2020 at 11:27 AM

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EverLearning wrote:
If you are a 7D II shooter, then yes, they absolutely have been sitting on their xxx. September 15 will be SIX years without an upgrade to that genre of camera. And, since I already have a 1.4x on my 100-400 II and indications are this lens does not play particularly well with a 2x (manual focus and notably reduced IQ), that is not an option.

There have been a spoil of riches for those not reliant on the crop for distant wildlife (5DS, 5DSR, 1DX MII, 5D MIV, M6, 6D MII, R, RP, M6 MII, 1DX MIII, R5 and R6)....Show more →

Honestly, I'd suspect that the R6 with the new 100-500, 600 and 800 is Canon's answer to this. It's a solid bet that even with the aperture penalty the R6 sensor and really long but not too expensive glass will outperform what the 7DII does right now, especially paired with the 100-400 II even with a 1.4x and do so at higher frame rates with a massively larger buffer too (~240 RAWs). I wouldn't be surprised if the EOS R replacement is an even clearer replacement for the 7DII when it eventually arrives (I'd expect the R will get replaced at its new pricepoint eventually, probably sometime next year)

It does suck for those already invested in a fair bit of glass, but I think Canon is not going to confuse the APS-C market anymore than the EF-M/RF situation already is. The R and RP are already at high/medium APS-C pricing.

Jul 09, 2020 at 11:31 AM

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mawz wrote:
Honestly, I'd suspect that the R6 with the new 100-500, 600 and 800 is Canon's answer to this. It's a solid bet that even with the aperture penalty the R6 sensor and really long but not too expensive glass will outperform what the 7DII does right now, especially paired with the 100-400 II even with a 1.4x and do so at higher frame rates with a massively larger buffer too (~240 RAWs). I wouldn't be surprised if the EOS R replacement is an even clearer replacement for the 7DII when it eventually arrives (I'd expect the R will get replaced...Show more →

You are implying that an R6 with 1.4TC fixed to the body is at least equivalent to the 7D2 and in many ways better? Just the finances already argue against that for those who already have some EF glass and I bet that some of those EF prime / TC combo's aren't going to perform that great on the R bodies compared to a native lens on APS-C body with modern sensor. Battery performance for those who need to watch their subjects through the viewfinder for a long time is another obvious disadvantage.

I understand that all those FF fans are wanting APS-C users to subsidize their cameras by forcing them to buy FF instead of APS-C, but I don't think this is a great strategy for Canon. It just might backfire, especially if the competition comes up with a viable alternative. I don't think they are all going to force people to move to FF if they want recent technology and features.

Jul 09, 2020 at 11:42 AM

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technic wrote:
You are implying that an R6 with 1.4TC fixed to the body is at least equivalent to the 7D2 and in many ways better? Just the finances already argue against that for those who already have some EF glass and I bet that some of those EF prime / TC combo's aren't going to perform that great on the R bodies compared to a native lens on APS-C body with modern sensor.

No, I'm saying an R6+600/800 is the equivalent to a 7DII+100-400II with and without a TC respectively, and better in a bunch of ways (faster, far deeper buffer). The longer lenses is the offset for the lower pixel density, and now you aren't paying $10k+ to get 600mm+ in primes.

7DII+100-400 is 640mm equivalent and f8 equivalent for noise (assuming the general ~ 1 stop noise difference between same-tech APS-C and FF, I'm not getting into DoF equivalencies here). Add the 1.4x TC and you have a 896mm f11 equivalent. So the 7DII will still have a minor reach advantage still, but it's really fairly small compared to an R6 with the new f11 primes (assuming they're sharp and AF performance isn't trash)

I understand that all those FF fans are wanting APS-C users to subsidize their cameras by forcing them to buy FF instead of APS-C, but I don't think this is a great strategy for Canon. It just might backfire, especially if the competition comes up with a viable alternative. I don't think they are all going to force people to move to FF if they want recent technology and features.

The main reason to go high-end APS-C today is getting more reach at decent fps for your dollar. Canon seems to be trying to shift the savings from the bodies to the lenses by selling longer lenses for less money as an alternative to selling smaller but higher density sensors for less money.

I don't disagree that this is negatively impacting the investment in some EF lenses for these users.

Jul 09, 2020 at 12:04 PM

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p.30 #15 · p.30 #15 · New Canon R5 Rumor

Canon 7D MII with 100-400 and 1.4x TC: 896mm effective reach, f8; 20.2MP
Canon R6 with 600mm f/11: 600mm effective reach, f11; 20.1MP (2/3 the reach and a full stop slower)
Canon R6 with 800mm f/11: 800mm effective reach, f11; 20.1MP (89% the reach and a full stop slower)

I am not a 'machine gunner' so I have only once been constrained by the buffer of the 7D MII. 10 fps has worked very well for me. What was most critical to me was better AF (especially servo), better high ISO noise management (for dawn and dusk wildlife shooting; especially 'action') and a larger sensor (giving a bit more effective reach). I don't need a 240 RAW buffer any more than I need 8K video (which is to say, not at all). Given that a lens is wide open when focusing, f/11 doesn't exactly strike me as ideal for BIF AF.

I have to admit I am unclear on what point you are making in your last paragraph. The R and RP are not crop sensor cameras nor are they 50MP+ to compensate for loss of crop.

Jul 09, 2020 at 12:10 PM

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RoamingScott wrote:
https://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/these-rumored-canon-eos-rs-specs-are-nearly-compeltely-wrong-according-to-our-sources/

Absolute shocker, I tell ya.

If the new "5D" type R is more capable than the A7R3 I'll eat my shoe. Given they could only roughly match the A7ii with the first R, I think my sneakers are safe.

Now, how do we feel about this? In what way is the A7R III more capable than the R5?

If you mention a good one, having a shoe leather steak for dinner will do

Aug 12, 2020 at 04:36 AM

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alundeb wrote:
I thought that the A9 also shows something under certain lighting conditions?

Yes, I think all current mirrorless will show banding when using electronic shutter under certain lighting conditions.
Surprisingly, for video, the R5 has much less rolling shutter than the A9 (look for Bryan Chen on Youtube who owns both).

Aug 12, 2020 at 05:30 AM

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alundeb wrote:
Now, how do we feel about this? In what way is the A7R III more capable than the R5?

If you mention a good one, having a shoe leather steak for dinner will do

, enjoy that shoe! Ketchup makes anything taste great though! I put ketchup on my ketchup.

The R5 is better in almost every way even compared to the A7RIV (other than absolute resolution, though they are very close). They are both the top of the line high res mirrorless cameras though right now.

Aug 12, 2020 at 05:33 AM

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alundeb wrote:
Now, how do we feel about this? In what way is the A7R III more capable than the R5?

If you mention a good one, having a shoe leather steak for dinner will do

Still trying to suss out early shill reviews from real world experiences.

So far it sounds like:

Sony +
- Considerably longer battery life
- Can still shoot HI+ with AF-C until the battery dies
- Sony runs better from external batteries
- Can record maximum amount of 4K without any heat issues
- Better IQ at base ISO to around ISO 800 due to Canon "cheating" and using baked in noise reduction at low ISO

Canon +
- Faster burst while battery life allows for it
- Better IBIS
- Higher Res EVF
- Better video capability before it overheats
- CFE support
- Possibly better weather sealing, needs more user testing
- Seemingly better AF, but need more user testing as preliminary user testing is show lower keeper rates in post than the shooting experience indicated

Tie
- Image Quality beyond ISO 800 or so
- Overall speed of UI

I think Canon made an ok camera and totally failed to market it correctly. It appears that they have a significant engineering oversight with the bare CPU that was very possibly intentional to cripple the video. It's a perplexing release.

Aug 12, 2020 at 08:20 AM

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You have probably seen this thread. Significant engineering oversight according to who? The Chinese person that no one knows.

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1658635/

I went to that Chinese thread yesterday and read all 5 pages. First image shows the silicone being cooler. OK sounds good. Second image. "Should improve". How long is a piece of string? By how much? He did no testing but EOSHD took it upon himself to use invalid EXIF data and create another social media s storm.

I remember months ago people here were asking what are they going about the heat in that size of a body with no fans. Some said it couldn't be done. I'm not an engineer and maybe they did or they didn't cripple it but I'm not pay any attention until this is confirmed by several reputable sources.

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