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guidostow wrote:
The latest from the mill...
45mp (conflicting intel suggests also 40mp)
IBIS (In Body Image Stabilisation)
5 stops with IBIS alone
7-8 stops of correction when used with in-lens stabilization
14fps / 20fps (conflicting intel suggests also 12fps / 20fps)
Scroll wheel added to the back
No touchbar
Liveview/Movie toggle like previous Canon EOS DSLRs
Larger capacity battery, but looks like the LP-E6
8K@30fps RAW
4K@120fps
4K@60fps
Announcement ahead of CP+ next month

https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-rs-specifications-cr1/

This sounds to me more like a 5DmkIV replacement than a 5DS(R) replacement...

It sounds more like some kid having a laugh than any particular future body.

EBH

Jan 27, 2020 at 05:20 PM

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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · New Canon R5 Rumor

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They're not going to do that high a FPS when the 1D series barely does that for $6,500. My guess is maybe 12 max.

Yes but the 1Dxlll is a dslr and the RS is a ML. It's very possible a new generation of ML could shoot at 20fps. They didn't say the focus system could keep up, just that it shoots at 20fps!!!
John

Jan 27, 2020 at 07:18 PM

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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · New Canon R5 Rumor

Will be interesting to see the price tag my guess $3499 could be way off though

Jan 27, 2020 at 10:05 PM

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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · New Canon R5 Rumor

JohnSil wrote:
Yes but the 1Dxlll is a dslr and the RS is a ML. It's very possible a new generation of ML could shoot at 20fps. They didn't say the focus system could keep up, just that it shoots at 20fps!!!
John

The 5DS R, for example, had 2 processors. For me, I know to little to guess what a mirrorless body can really do with more upgrades and multiple processors.

I'll just enjoy the amusement of rumors until something real surfaces.

Jan 27, 2020 at 10:13 PM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · New Canon R5 Rumor

https://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/these-rumored-canon-eos-rs-specs-are-nearly-compeltely-wrong-according-to-our-sources/

Absolute shocker, I tell ya.

If the new "5D" type R is more capable than the A7R3 I'll eat my shoe. Given they could only roughly match the A7ii with the first R, I think my sneakers are safe.

Jan 28, 2020 at 08:37 AM

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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · New Canon R5 Rumor

Hope the dial does not come back. The LCD is better for moving AF points around. I guess the body would have to bigger to maintain the size of LCD if they did.

Jan 28, 2020 at 08:40 AM

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Zenon Char wrote:
Hope the dial does not come back. The LCD is better for moving AF points around. I guess the body would have to bigger to maintain the size of LCD if they did.

1DXIII Smart Controller AF button looks to be the best solution for moving AF points. Takes up no more real estate than the AF-ON button will already take up. You could still give the LCD option for those that like that but the Smart Controller looks like a much easier and ergonomic way to shoot whether you are a BBF user or not (because you don't have to do AF-ON with it also).
Removing the Scroll bar and replacing it with Smart Controller AF-ON button and then also having an AE-L button to allow two BBF buttons (with complete customization) would be a dream.

If they added a 7D2/5D4/1DX type rear scroll dial and not a 4/8-way dial like they have now that would be good also.
Having not used an EOS R, I'm not sure how the rear-dial up top does?? They could make the rear dial a little smaller than on the DSLRs and not have to adjust the size of other things.

Jan 28, 2020 at 08:54 AM

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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · New Canon R5 Rumor

There are a ton of things about the R they could change for the better. Take the swipe bar away, use the 1dx3 AF-ON button, add the rotating wheel back instead of d-pad, don't put power on a dedicated wheel, use the RP's PASM wheel instead of the button+rotate digital menu, and on and on. Emulate something ergonomically closer to a 6D instead of a full blown 5D4 to keep the size down, but add in more useful ergos at the same time.

If they simply rehash the R body with an old style joystick instead of touch pad, that will be an epic fail.

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Jan 28, 2020 at 08:59 AM

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RoamingScott wrote:
https://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/these-rumored-canon-eos-rs-specs-are-nearly-compeltely-wrong-according-to-our-sources/

Absolute shocker, I tell ya.

If the new "5D" type R is more capable than the A7R3 I'll eat my shoe. Given they could only roughly match the A7ii with the first R, I think my sneakers are safe.

We are in the phase when all sorts of false rumors emerge, before finally the correct specs appear the night before announcement, as the least common denominator of all the rumors. So far that still is more capable specs than the A7r3

Jan 28, 2020 at 08:59 AM

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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · New Canon R5 Rumor

There's little doubt that Canon was taken by surprise by the general acceptance of ML, and that “new comer” Sony would take such a formidable lead in sensor, & EVF technology.

The “R” based on Canon's “older” sensor tech. Is/was likely a stop-gap effort, to hopefully demonstrate to their customer's that they are taking both ML, and the Sony challenge seriously; and to “hang in there” for what's to come.

I think the notion that because Sony has made such remarkable tech. achievements so quickly equates to Canon's inevitable doom, or inability to ever catch-up is a stretch to say the least.

Jan 28, 2020 at 10:08 AM

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Sy Sez wrote:
There's little doubt that Canon was taken by surprise by the general acceptance of ML, and that “new comer” Sony would take such a formidable lead in sensor, & EVF technology.

The “R” based on Canon's “older” sensor tech. Is/was likely a stop-gap effort, to hopefully demonstrate to their customer's that they are taking both ML, and the Sony challenge seriously; and to “hang in there” for what's to come.

I think the notion that because Sony has made such remarkable tech. achievements so quickly equates to Canon's inevitable doom, or inability to ever catch-up is a stretch to say the...Show more →

Not sure where canon falls so far behind in technology.
Yes Sony dove into mirrorless several years before canon.
But the real world functionality of sensors is not that different.
Yes there are differences. Especially at low iso.
But this is not black and white differences but shades of gray.

Looking at the video, Both Sony and canon are pretty much neck and neck.
Not just in the latest camera but overall. Looking at technology.

I will say it is good for canon to get a wake up call.... no doubt.

Jan 28, 2020 at 10:30 AM

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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · New Canon R5 Rumor

I think Canon "leaks" some of these rumors to stem the flow of their customers to competitors. To some extent it works.

Sony's A7r-IV has huge DR, 61MP, and 10FPS for starters. The A9-II has 24MP at 20FPS for $2K less than the 1DX-III. I'm heavily invested in Canon glass and happy enough with the 5DSR, but I don't expect to buy into Canon mirrorless unless they make some uncharacteristically large advances in image sensor technology. Specifically they need a high DR image sensor with bandwidth similar to Sony's. That'd give the forever rumored 75MP camera a frame rate of 8 FPS. Canon's dual pixel PDAF with no capability for slower but more accurate CDAF in one shot AF mode doesn't thrill me either. A possible reason they don't have any CDAF is because their sensor readout speed is too slow.

Jan 28, 2020 at 11:02 AM

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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · New Canon R5 Rumor

Upgraded to CR2 this morning. At least we don't have long to wait for CP+ (2/27).

Jan 28, 2020 at 11:21 AM

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Ziffl3 wrote:
Not sure where canon falls so far behind in technology.
Yes Sony dove into mirrorless several years before canon.
But the real world functionality of sensors is not that different.
Yes there are differences. Especially at low iso.
But this is not black and white differences but shades of gray.

You're not so sure why Canon's sensor tech is in doubt when they reused ancient 5D4 and 6D2 sensors for their mirrorless fullframes?

Canon has yet to show us they have the tech to match what the rest of the industry is using (read: Nikon/Fuji/Sony using Sony BSI sensors).

Until they show us that they can engineer something on par, then they deserve every bit of doubt they are receiving after the lackluster initial R offerings.

Jan 28, 2020 at 11:26 AM

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kezeka wrote:
Upgraded to CR2 this morning. At least we don't have long to wait for CP+ (2/27).

And now a chunk of these have been upgraded to CR3, including the 8K. As mentioned on the site, 8K could simply be a timelapse mode with a bad translation. Believe it when I see it, but would be nice. Unfortunately, if those specs hold, this will be a $4500 camera.

https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-r5-specifications/

A random thought...I wonder if they are reusing the old 50mp sensor and "cropping" the edges of it to account for IBIS, since as far as I know, Canon doesn't have a patent for a 45mp sensor.

Jan 28, 2020 at 01:47 PM

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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · New Canon R5 Rumor

hmm -
canon has 1 stop less dynamic range at iso 100 which does not matter for landscape because of AEB
sony is more iso invariant and you can underexpose by 3 stops without much penalty but good exposure is better
sony lens iq/weight is better canons
sony video is better than canons
canon does not have dual slots for cards

But
Sony cold weather performance is bad
Sony dust control is way worse
sony ergonomics are way worse
sony lens are not as good as canons when you ignore weight
sony flash remote shutter auxillary are not as available as canon
sony lcd is worse than canon

even on mpx 51 vs 60 - if they go to 75 they out pace sony

I would say canon is better for me than sony - I would rather use canon lens natively for the small gains on sensor and worse dust/ergonomics. For landscape and large animals.

Sony advantage in mirrorless is now small (42mpx vs 30, better video and fps) and very recoverable.

with a few minor changes (dual card slots, more mpx, better video, and make the mount open to small lens producers) they would be better to most users than sony

I think Sony advantage is easily matched.

Jan 28, 2020 at 01:57 PM

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I think Sony advantage is easily matched.

Kind of depends on the use cases, but the ability to use older, far cheaper, great EF glass is a HUGE potential selling point for the R system for me.

If the new R can roughly deliver the image quality of the 5DSR with Sony like speeds, that's very compelling. I find very little IQ difference between the A7R series and the 5DSR.

Size is hugely important to me though, since I regularly wear my camera + 100-400 on my shoulder strap while hiking. Even the R with their large 24-105 is large for that compared to the A7R3.

Jan 28, 2020 at 02:03 PM

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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · New Canon R5 Rumor

The latest, and it's been upgraded on Canonrumors to CR3...

Canon EOS R5 Specifications:

Named the Canon EOS R5
45mp full-frame CMOS sensor
IBIS
5 stops with IBIS alone
7-8 stops of correction when used with in-lens stabilization
12fps mechanical, 20fps electronic
Scroll wheel added to the back
No touch bar
Liveview/Movie toggle like previous EOS DSLRs
Larger capacity battery, but looks like the LP-E6
8K @ 30fps RAW
4K @ 120fps
4K @ 60fps
Built-in 5GHz WiFi
New battery, but the same shape and compatibility as the EOS 5D Mark IV
Announcement ahead of CP+ next month
Launching in July 2020 (I’m assuming this means ship date)

Jan 28, 2020 at 02:06 PM

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Tom_W wrote:
The latest, and it's been upgraded on Canonrumors to CR3...

Canon EOS R5 Specifications:

Named the Canon EOS R5
45mp full-frame CMOS sensor
IBIS
5 stops with IBIS alone
7-8 stops of correction when used with in-lens stabilization
12fps mechanical, 20fps electronic
Scroll wheel added to the back
No touch bar
Liveview/Movie toggle like previous EOS DSLRs
Larger capacity battery, but looks like the LP-E6
8K @ 30fps RAW
4K @ 120fps
4K @ 60fps
Built-in 5GHz WiFi
New battery, but the same shape and compatibility as the EOS 5D Mark IV
Announcement ahead of CP+ next month
Launching in July 2020 (I’m assuming this means ship date)

Not all of those have been upgraded to CR3. I posted the link a few posts up that has the bolded list.

Jan 28, 2020 at 02:10 PM

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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · New Canon R5 Rumor

I missed it, sorry.

Finding it hard, for some reason, to easily differentiate between bold and not bold on the rumors site. Obviously, the bold function didn't transfer in my copy and paste.

Jan 28, 2020 at 02:34 PM

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