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bobbytan wrote:
Here you go ... E-M1 III + 300 vs EOS R and EOS RP + 100-400L with adaptor. The new 100-500 R lens is probably about the same length as the older 100-400 EF lens + EF-R adaptor. The EOS RP is a compact entry-level camera with a FF 26MP sensor and currently selling for only $999.


Those are the old, obsolete versions of the Canon EF 100-400L... and I guess the R and RP are kind of obsolete now that the R5 and R6 with their Sony sensors are here.



Nov 19, 2020 at 12:06 PM
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molson wrote:
Those are the old, obsolete versions of the Canon EF 100-400L... and I guess the R and RP are kind of obsolete now that the R5 and R6 with their Sony sensors are here.


The R5 and R6 use Canon sensors.



Nov 19, 2020 at 12:44 PM
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whumber wrote:
The R5 and R6 use Canon sensors.


I wouldn't be so sure about that... unless Canon is renting space in Sony's sensor fab facility.



Nov 19, 2020 at 12:52 PM
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molson wrote:
I wouldn't be so sure about that... unless Canon is renting space in Sony's sensor fab facility.


I thought Canon always made their own sensors. That is why they were behind for so long, compared to cameras using a Sony sensor. Has that changed? They are now using Sony sensors? I read that Sony made the EVF, but have not seen anything about the sensor.



Nov 19, 2020 at 01:15 PM
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molson wrote:
I wouldn't be so sure about that... unless Canon is renting space in Sony's sensor fab facility.


Do you have any source for that? It would be really odd if it were a Sony sensor as the noise characteristics are still quite different from every other Sony sensor.



Nov 19, 2020 at 02:31 PM
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whumber wrote:
Do you have any source for that? It would be really odd if it were a Sony sensor as the noise characteristics are still quite different from every other Sony sensor.


The noise characteristics on the Canon sensors are different because Canon bakes their noise reduction into the RAW files... presumably to make the results look a little different than all the other cameras that use the same sensors.



Nov 19, 2020 at 04:31 PM
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molson wrote:
The noise characteristics on the Canon sensors are different because Canon bakes their noise reduction into the RAW files... presumably to make the results look a little different than all the other cameras that use the same sensors.


I pretty sure Canon makes their own sensors.



Nov 19, 2020 at 05:06 PM
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molson wrote:
The noise characteristics on the Canon sensors are different because Canon bakes their noise reduction into the RAW files... presumably to make the results look a little different than all the other cameras that use the same sensors.


That's not what I'm talking about but thanks for letting us know that you don't have anything to back up your statement.



Nov 19, 2020 at 05:10 PM
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whumber wrote:
That's not what I'm talking about but thanks for letting us know that you don't have anything to back up your statement.


That, and news that the recent fire at a Sony manufacturing facility has impacted deliveries of Sony, Nikon, and CANON cameras... although I haven't seen any official statements from Sony about the incident yet (they have been telling their distributors and retailers, though). In any case, it's a lot more than you have to back up your position.



Nov 19, 2020 at 07:04 PM
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molson wrote:
That, and news that the recent fire at a Sony manufacturing facility has impacted deliveries of Sony, Nikon, and CANON cameras... although I haven't seen any official statements from Sony about the incident yet (they have been telling their distributors and retailers, though). In any case, it's a lot more than you have to back up your position.


I don't doubt that a Sony manufacturing problem would cause delays for Canon as their EVFs are all made by Sony. The R5/R6 still exhibit low frequency noise on high ISO and strongly pushed low ISO images in the deep shadows that is clearly characteristic of Canon's own sensors; no Sony made sensors have shown that since the pre-D800 days. What do you think is more likely, that Canon is fabbing out to Sony for a sensor with better readout speed, dual pixel AF, but still worse low ISO dynamic range than 2012-era Sony sensors (before the baked in NR) and classic Canon low frequency noise or that Canon has finally caught up in some areas but not others?



Nov 19, 2020 at 07:44 PM
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molson wrote:
That, and news that the recent fire at a Sony manufacturing facility has impacted deliveries of Sony, Nikon, and CANON cameras... although I haven't seen any official statements from Sony about the incident yet (they have been telling their distributors and retailers, though). In any case, it's a lot more than you have to back up your position.


Canon uses Sony sensors for their compacts so maybe the news article was talking about that. I've never seen anyone suggest that they use Sony sensors for their DSLR/MILC cameras and it's always been said they build their own.



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