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E-M1 Mk III to be announced in mid February, along with the pricing and details/specs for the 150-400/4.5 PRO lens:

https://www.43rumors.com/ft5-the-olympus-e-m1iii-will-be-announced-in-mid-february/



Jan 09, 2020 at 09:07 AM
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If one wanted a 2-body camera kit, what would be the right mix: EM1.2 + EM 1.3, or, EM1.3 + EM 5.3 ?
Lenses would be: 12-100 + 100-400 (Pana or Oly) + primes
I'm guessing heavy lenses pair better with the EM1 series?



Jan 09, 2020 at 09:15 AM
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Pricing for this lens will determine whether I stay with m43 or not. I really think Olympus has to stay very competitive. We already have seen that pricing the EM1x as high as they did, was not very successful.


Jan 09, 2020 at 09:20 AM
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We already have seen that pricing the EM1x as high as they did, was not very successful.

This strikes me as speculation. Do we have any idea how succesful they needed it to to be? Has it met its sales targets? Who really knows? Arrmchair theorizing is not the same as real data. I know a few Oly people who have bought one, and they really like it.



Jan 09, 2020 at 09:57 AM
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Since all I do with my Mk2 is the high resolution mode, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a decent functional boost on that! Can't really afford to switch systems/lenses to Sony or Panasonic right now.


Jan 09, 2020 at 10:23 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · E-M1 Mk III + 150-400 PRO lens


Since the 150-400 will probably be more weight than I want to pack around I will probably pass on it.

The E-M1 Mk III will interest me only if AF-C has been great improved.

Anyone have a nice 300 f4 they want to sell?



Jan 09, 2020 at 10:25 AM
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Tony, I am frankly quite tired of shooting with a prime lens such as the 300 PRO. Having to switch back-and-forth between the 2 different extenders, and shooting with and w/o the extender, is finally getting to me. There are so many times when I would put on one of the extenders ... only to find out a couple of minutes later that I need the other extender or no extender at all, as the case may be. It's frustrating to say the least. Of course, if there is no zoom lens in this range I will just have to live with this inconvenience .... but now that we will have 150-400 option (assuming the price is not too silly) I am leaning towards the zoom lens. I am sure the IQ of this pro-grade lens will be no less than the 300 PRO or PL 100-400 lens. So I may have a very sharp (recalibrated and serviced by Olympus) 300 PRO lens for sale before too long.

Imagemaster wrote:
Since the 150-400 will probably be more weight than I want to pack around I will probably pass on it.

The E-M1 Mk III will interest me only if AF-C has been great improved.

Anyone have a nice 300 f4 they want to sell?





Jan 09, 2020 at 10:43 AM
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The Rat wrote:
Since all I do with my Mk2 is the high resolution mode, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a decent functional boost on that! Can't really afford to switch systems/lenses to Sony or Panasonic right now.


I can kick myself for forgetting to shoot this rare or uncommon scene in the High-Res mode! A senior moment, I guess.






LA Skyline




Jan 09, 2020 at 10:57 AM
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Very interesting and a bit unexpected!

I thought it would be another year considering the E-M1X. Now the question is do they dare to out do the E-M1X with features and performance (new EVF, display, AF, frames per second etc bring it up to modern standards) or will they take a step back and dumb it down in order to separate the camera lines?

Also, I'm very excited about the pricing of the 150-400 and the E-M1.3. Love my G9 but if Oly gets back in the game it will be very interesting.

/Rasmus



Jan 09, 2020 at 11:19 AM
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bobbytan wrote:
Tony, I am frankly quite tired of shooting with a prime lens such as the 300 PRO. Having to switch back-and-forth between the 2 different extenders, and shooting with and w/o the extender, is finally getting to me. There are so many times when I would put on one of the extenders ... only to find out a couple of minutes later that I need the other extender or no extender at all, as the case may be. It's frustrating to say the least. Of course, if there is no zoom lens in this range I will just have to
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Yes, there is a gap there for a light M4/3 100-400 that will take TC's as well as the excellent Sony 100-400.

Switching TC's is a pain, but too much weight is more of a pain for me.



Jan 09, 2020 at 11:27 AM
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Robin Smith wrote:
This strikes me as speculation. Do we have any idea how succesful they needed it to to be? Has it met its sales targets? Who really knows? Arrmchair theorizing is not the same as real data. I know a few Oly people who have bought one, and they really like it.


I guess I am reacting to what I have read online. Most of what I have seen is that sales have not gone well. On Amazon, at the time of this post, the EM1x is selling at #7,032 in the camera and photo catagory and #783 in the digital camera category. The EM1.2 is #7,420 in the camera and photo category and #264 in the digital camera category. Noting of course that the EM1.2 is much cheaper but it also is a much older camera. The Sony A9, that many people on ths forum regard as viable bird/sports alternative, is #4,998 in the camera and photo category and #72 in the digital camera category. So if these numbers can be used as a surrogate for "success" we see that the EM1x is not selling as well as the older EM1.2 (in the camera category) and certainly not as well as the more expensive A9. In addition, Olympus have recently started selling the EM1x at 2,499...a $500 discount.
https://www.43rumors.com/reminder-new-low-price-on-the-e-m1x/
As an owner of an EM1x, I am quite frankly a little embarrassed to admit that I spent $2500 on a camera (and that was a GOOD deal at the time) which has essentially the same capability as the updated EM1.2. Now that there are rumors that a new EM1.3 is in the wind, I am even more apprehensive because I have not yet seen any update for my EM1x and I am still set up for planes, trains and automobile shooting, whereas we see other companies with excellent bird AF and good eye detect AF. These are important to me, others may not care. So in summary, I don't mean to start yet another post complaining about the EM1x, but I think given the sales numbers, comments on the web, and the recent price reduction, I am probably safe in saying that a high priced camera with middling capability has not been a huge success for Olympus. Now, how this translates into the lens price (150-400) is that consumers are looking at the reach they can get from a Sony camera and the 200-600 combo and comparing that with what they can get with an EM1x (or the smaller EM1.2 etc...) and this new 150-400mm. If the prices are too high, I don't think that is going to lead to success for Oly. Right now the Sony 200-600 is $2000, and the Sony A9 is $3800 on Amazon. That is a total of $5800. The EM1x is $2500 and the new 150-400 lens is..... If the price of the new lens exceeds $3300 then I need to make a judgment call on what to do. If the lens is $7000, then off I go to Sony and my equipment will be on the buy and sell. So cost here is a important. If it gets too high, then the competition looks much better.



Jan 09, 2020 at 03:20 PM
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bobbytan wrote:
I can kick myself for forgetting to shoot this rare or uncommon scene in the High-Res mode! A senior moment, I guess.



As I recall, you used Gigapixel AI for this? I wonder what hires combined with Gigapixel AI would look like?



Jan 09, 2020 at 03:46 PM
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bobbytan wrote:
Tony, I am frankly quite tired of shooting with a prime lens such as the 300 PRO. Having to switch back-and-forth between the 2 different extenders, and shooting with and w/o the extender, is finally getting to me. There are so many times when I would put on one of the extenders ... only to find out a couple of minutes later that I need the other extender or no extender at all, as the case may be. It's frustrating to say the least. Of course, if there is no zoom lens in this range I will just have to
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The IQ of the 150-400 better exceed the PL 100-400, otherwise Oly is really in trouble if this is an expensive lens. By the way, I bought a PL 100-400 off the B&S. It was for my father, but I did test the IQ before I sent if off to him. I was startled to see the IQ of that copy rival my Canon 100-400LII at 400mm.

? As Tony said in another thread, I need to just buy this lens and stop wringing my hands over the reports of poor IQ at 400mm. But first I will wait for the 150-400 price info.



Jan 09, 2020 at 03:54 PM
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Really? What you should do is to keep the excellent copy that you have and get another copy for your father! It could be that they've tightened up their quality control and later production version/copies are better than the earlier copies.

galenapass wrote:
The IQ of the 150-400 better exceed the PL 100-400, otherwise Oly is really in trouble if this is an expensive lens. By the way, I bought a PL 100-400 off the B&S. It was for my father, but I did test the IQ before I sent if off to him. I was startled to see the IQ of that copy rival my Canon 100-400LII at 400mm.

? As Tony said in another thread, I need to just buy this lens and stop wringing my hands over the reports of poor IQ at 400mm. But first I will wait for
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Jan 09, 2020 at 05:14 PM
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bobbytan wrote:
Really? What you should do is to keep the excellent copy that you have and get another copy for your father! It could be that they've tightened up their quality control and later production version/copies are better than the earlier copies.



lol.. that did cross my mind!



Jan 09, 2020 at 06:02 PM
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Now that I'm using a D500 with the 500PF and a Sony A9 and A7R IV with the 200-600mm lens, I'm not so sure MFT can offer something that would make that my main system for BIF. When I shoot birds, I generally don't walk far and I'm ready to lug a bit of gear around. My main concern was always image quality at a reasonable price point and both the 500PF and the 200-600mm offer that.

In the past, I've appreciated my 300mm f/4 more for the ability to take a 600mm-equivalent lens where I normally would never carry a lens like that. I do still hope that the III will finally deliver CAF that's usable, because I like using my Olympus gear for everything else, but I doubt I will use MFT for everything else and BIF now that the alternatives are more affordable and not crazy heavy or large (plus most likely offer better low light capabilities).



Jan 09, 2020 at 07:38 PM
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galenapass wrote:
? As Tony said in another thread, I need to just buy this lens and stop wringing my hands over the reports of poor IQ at 400mm. But first I will wait for the 150-400 price info.


Just buy the P/L from a retailer that has a no-hassle exchange if you get one you don't feel is sharp enough. My copy was as sharp as the 300 f4 Pro copy that I had.

I currently have the E-M1 MkII and the 40-150 f2.8 and both TC's. If I get the 300 f4 it will also take both TC's.

I have no doubt that I can buy the 300 f4 and a second E-M1 MkII for less than the 150-400mm.

Bet the 1509-400 won't come in at less than $3300. And my two combos will probably cost less than the 150-400 with a 1MX.

I will try and bide my time and not get a second E-M1 MkII until I see what the MkIII will do.



Jan 09, 2020 at 07:46 PM
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Imagemaster wrote:
Just buy the P/L from a retailer that has a no-hassle exchange if you get one you don't feel is sharp enough. My copy was as sharp as the 300 f4 Pro copy that I had.

I currently have the E-M1 MkII and the 40-150 f2.8 and both TC's. If I get the 300 f4 it will also take both TC's.

I have no doubt that I can buy the 300 f4 and a second E-M1 MkII for less than the 150-400mm.

Bet the 1509-400 won't come in at less than $3300. And my two combos will probably cost less than the 150-400
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Oly is also going to roll out the 100-400 IS, which should be cheaper than the 150-400, I'm not sure if the IQ will be a match for the Leica 100-400 (Leica being a premium brand compared to non-pro Oly lenses and "Lumix only" lenses )
I am more excited about that lens because of the IS



Jan 10, 2020 at 11:03 AM
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$3300 for a 150-400 with built-in TC? I know it is "only" f/4.5 vs f/4 from CaNikon and "only" 1.25x vs 1.4x....but the CaNikon price point is $11K-12K....$3300 would be the bargain of the decade.


Jan 10, 2020 at 12:42 PM
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arbitrage wrote:
$3300 for a 150-400 with built-in TC? I know it is "only" f/4.5 vs f/4 from CaNikon and "only" 1.25x vs 1.4x....but the CaNikon price point is $11K-12K....$3300 would be the bargain of the decade.


I don't think anyone believes it will be $3300....and that is kind of my point. Lets say it is $7000. I can still get the $3500 A7r IV and the $2000 200-600mm and run that in crop mode, pocket the difference for a trip somewhere and have 26 MP instead of 20. I am not paying attention to the 1.25x TC on the 150-400mm because that may or may not be that usable in real work conditions. IMO Sony is the real competitor for someone who might consider the Oly 150-400mm. At least it is for me.



Jan 10, 2020 at 06:20 PM
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