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Sorry folks, the A7R4 isn’t full frame.

https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/full-sony-a7riv-vs-a7riii-spec-comparison-shows-new-a7riv-has-a-tiny-smaller-sensor/



Jul 18, 2019 at 02:50 PM
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Mathieu18 wrote:
Sorry folks, the A7R4 isn’t full frame.

https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/full-sony-a7riv-vs-a7riii-spec-comparison-shows-new-a7riv-has-a-tiny-smaller-sensor/


Oh no! Cancel my order...

Considering Sony has managed to squeeze out an extra 21 MP, and increase the dynamic range, I don't see a downside here.



Jul 18, 2019 at 02:57 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · A7R4 - Sorry Folks


The good news is more telephoto reach. The 400mm is now 402mm!


Jul 18, 2019 at 03:00 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · A7R4 - Sorry Folks


Must be a slow day for SAR admin without any more info on the next 3 body announcements.


Jul 18, 2019 at 03:04 PM
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No worries; it's the motion of the ocean fellas.




Jul 18, 2019 at 03:06 PM
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Looking at the raw image (with dcraw) it seems that the actual sensor resolution is 9568 x 6376 (plus there is an additional masked strip of 32 pixels width at the right: the "raw raw" width is 9600). And that extra resolution with a good looking image.

So if the official resolution of 9504 x 6336 accounts for 35.7 x 23.8 mm, the actual size using the right development tool it would be 35.94 x 23.95

Since 9568/6376 = 1.5006, a proper aspect ratio, it is strange that Sony has decided to crop out nearly 1 MP of data...



Jul 18, 2019 at 03:38 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · A7R4 - Sorry Folks


Look now... why you gotta make this thread all informative and useful. Don't you know this is the internet?

cgarcia wrote:
Looking at the raw image (with dcraw) it seems that the actual sensor resolution is 9568 x 6376 (plus there is an additional masked strip of 32 pixels width at the right: the "raw raw" width is 9600). And that extra resolution with a good looking image.

So if the official resolution of 9504 x 6336 accounts for 35.7 x 23.8 mm, the actual size using the right development tool it would be 35.94 x 23.95

Since 9568/6376 = 1.5006, a proper aspect ratio, it is strange that Sony has decided to crop out nearly 1 MP of data...


Actually that is interesting an odd...



Jul 18, 2019 at 03:50 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · A7R4 - Sorry Folks


I have here an A7 that I converted to monochrome and it outputs 6024x4024 pixels.

Debayering unmasks the masked strips of 24 pixels..



Jul 18, 2019 at 04:12 PM
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I was already wondering how they calculated the 61 megapixels...


Jul 18, 2019 at 04:40 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · A7R4 - Sorry Folks


Cancel your preorders please, so I can get mine faster )


Jul 18, 2019 at 04:40 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · A7R4 - Sorry Folks


I have not checked out the specs but.. usually when they list the "sensor" size in a document like that they are listing the physical size of the package which is not just the sensor array.




Jul 18, 2019 at 04:41 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · A7R4 - Sorry Folks


Like we got used to digital medium-format which was even tried to be sold as "large format" with the Fuji GFX 100. This a bit smaller sensor could be called "advanced FF sensor format". Sounds good but is meaningless technically but distinguishes itself from the traditional FF format...


Jul 18, 2019 at 05:56 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · A7R4 - Sorry Folks


The A9 sensor is even smaller...
35,6 x 23,8



Jul 19, 2019 at 02:13 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · A7R4 - Sorry Folks


Chaliel wrote:
The A9 sensor is even smaller...
35,6 x 23,8


There was something about the a9 I didn't like, couldn't put a finger on it, now I know



Jul 19, 2019 at 06:15 AM
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Mathieu18 wrote:
Sorry folks, the A7R4 isn’t full frame.

https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/full-sony-a7riv-vs-a7riii-spec-comparison-shows-new-a7riv-has-a-tiny-smaller-sensor/


Is there a definition? I mostly read that the size needs to be _approximately_ 36mm x 24mm.

There is a long history of non-FF cameras if 36mmx24mm needs to be an exact measure (Canon 6d: 35.8 x 23.9 mm, Z7,D850: 35.9 x 23.9 mm, D810, D750: 35.9 x 24 mm, D5: 35.8 x 23.9 mm, D4, D4s, D3s, Sony A73, A9 etc., just to name a few).




Jul 19, 2019 at 06:27 AM
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Holger wrote:
Is there a definition? I mostly read that the size needs to be _approximately_ 36mm x 24mm.

There is a long history of non-FF cameras if 36mmx24mm needs to be an exact measure (Canon 6d: 35.8 x 23.9 mm, Z7,D850: 35.9 x 23.9 mm, D810, D750: 35.9 x 24 mm, D5: 35.8 x 23.9 mm, D4, D4s, D3s, Sony A73, A9 etc., just to name a few).



Interesting - I was never aware of this before!



Jul 19, 2019 at 07:40 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · A7R4 - Sorry Folks


Making use of the narrow throat of the E mount, Sony always innovating


Jul 19, 2019 at 09:01 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · A7R4 - Sorry Folks


Mathieu18 wrote:
Sorry folks, the A7R4 isn’t full frame.

https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/full-sony-a7riv-vs-a7riii-spec-comparison-shows-new-a7riv-has-a-tiny-smaller-sensor/


Sony has never made a full-35mm frame sensor - they always come up a bit short in the pixel-dimension department - but I guess that is consistent with their undersized lens mount diameter.

Maybe now GDan will start hanging out on this forum so he can educate people about the Sony "mini-FF" cameras...



Jul 19, 2019 at 09:35 AM





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