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Wesley Perrault
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Lightroom vs Phase One

From yesterday's Maternity portrait session, a side by side comparison of the same unedited SOOC Raw image in Lightroom vs Phase One.

I'm curious to know your opinion of the different color rendering.

FYI, Image was shot with the Nikon D810, Nikkor 58mm F1.4 G. Shot at f2.8, ISO 100, and a exposure time (shutter speed) of 1/400.

Thanks Wes

Apr 21, 2019 at 11:55 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Lightroom vs Phase One

I like the LR version way better.
But I don't know how you can process them the same

John

Apr 22, 2019 at 12:37 AM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Lightroom vs Phase One

Not a fan of the orange cast with the Phase One. But so what, isn't that easy to correct?

Kelly

Apr 22, 2019 at 02:01 AM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Lightroom vs Phase One

I see that you used Abode Color as the import profile in LR.

Try the same unedited file with Adobe Neutral (under Adobe Raw) and also Camera Neutral (under Camera matching) to get closer to a totally unprocessed NEF.

They'll look pretty flat and washed out but closer to a true SOOC

-Denny

Apr 22, 2019 at 03:11 AM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Lightroom vs Phase One

Is there such a thing as "true" straight out of camera? What you see is some software's interpretation of electronic signals, be it that of the camera and how you have the settings set, and/or whatever processing program you use.
All any initial settings from any software program give you is just an arbitrary starting point. It's up to you if you like it, but there is no right or wrong.

Apr 22, 2019 at 08:34 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Lightroom vs Phase One

SOOC commonly refers to a camera image file that has not undergone external modification. It could be raw or JPEG. What happens in the camera, stays in the camera! (lol)

Apr 23, 2019 at 07:25 AM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Lightroom vs Phase One

Apr 23, 2019 at 11:05 AM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Lightroom vs Phase One

FYI - it appears that the LR file is at 6950K and the C1 file is at 6384K.

As for which is preferable, like others have said there isn't really an objective right answer here. Really it comes down to which one you and the client likes the best. Even then when you start putting it out in the real world, you have to take into account that different devices will have fairly wide swings in image quality and color temp, not to mention the "artistic license" that some people apply to photos via filters in instagram and such.

I personally think the LR example you posted looks like an easier starting point for retouching though, as the red tones in her skin are showing up more in the C1 processed file. The image on the left is what I typically expect from Nikon colors and skintones.

Apr 23, 2019 at 04:32 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Lightroom vs Phase One

coming from recently doing this comparison myself, im shocked at how different this is compared to my Sony test. LR was the bottom of the barrel in terms of color for Sony compared to 4 or 5 other processing softwares. I asked about 20 people, non photographers, and they all said "what's wrong with that one?!" or some similar comment regarding LR. But here, it isn't bad at all! oh, the luxury of being a non Sony shooter! simple LR... *wistful sigh*

Apr 23, 2019 at 11:35 PM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Lightroom vs Phase One

KCook0 wrote:
Perfectly true. But I'm lazy and it just "feels good" when nice tones appear immediately, with no further effort.

toohuman

Oh I like to not have to do much if any to files also. I use a develop preset and apply it to everything I bring into Lightroom to get things very close to what I want. Although most of my stuff is nature and wildlife, so I don't have to worry about skin tones.

Apr 24, 2019 at 01:48 PM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Lightroom vs Phase One

egd5 wrote:
Is there such a thing as "true" straight out of camera? What you see is some software's interpretation of electronic signals, be it that of the camera and how you have the settings set, and/or whatever processing program you use.
All any initial settings from any software program give you is just an arbitrary starting point. It's up to you if you like it, but there is no right or wrong.

Yes, and that was the point of my earlier post. Tim Grey commented on this in today's "Ask Tim Grey" email --

I often hear photographers talking (sometimes in heated tones) about how they don't want to globally apply adjustments during import into Lightroom, and how they definitely don't want to apply any automatic adjustments. My response is that these photographers should consider that Lightroom is already applying adjustments to your photos, by virtue of providing a different baseline interpretation of your raw captures than the way the camera interpreted the image.

-Denny

Apr 25, 2019 at 02:23 PM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Lightroom vs Phase One

When you're shooting RAW, "straight out of the camera" looks something like this:
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But seriously...that IS the concept. The RAW file is the mathematical/data/electronic output of the sensor. There is absolutely nothing visual about it until that data is interpreted. Even a "straight out of camera" jpg has had all that data crunched in camera; ie. curves, saturation, contrast, etc etc, all determined by settings set at the factory.
In this instance the CO sample has an "auto" curve applied and who knows what applied to the LR sample. Apples and maybe oranges.
I started with LR as a beta (05?). Swore by it till 2 years ago when I discovered Capture One. First of all it's almost impossible to match images in the 2 apps. That's the thing that will hit you most when you leave the Adobe walled garden...The way adobe (or any app for that matter) make your images look isn't right or wrong, but it is decidedly different.
That said, I can and do still work in LR but the images don't look right to me anymore.

Edit: I highly recommend taking some favorite images and some problem images and try processing them to taste side by side.
I was thoroughly versed in the ways of RAW when I was introduced to Capture One and I was blown away at the difference.

May 08, 2019 at 10:51 AM


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