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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Latest CIPA February 2019 report trend

The latest CIPA report is clearly showing the trend in the digital market that has substantially reduced over the last few years. I am sure we will all feel this and will affect all manufacturers as to newer iterations of bodies and lenses.

Photography will continue and take on new directions and videography will continue to grow. Of course there is a huge installed base of photographers that have gear and have no immediate interest in new gear... at least for now

The new smart phones are becoming so good for social media now it is hard to justify a separate camera body.

Interesting times ahead

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Latest CIPA February 2019 report trend

charles.K wrote:
The latest CIPA report is clearly showing the trend in the digital market that has substantially reduced over the last few years. I am sure we will all feel this and will affect all manufacturers as to newer iterations of bodies and lenses.

Photography will continue and take on new directions and videography will continue to grow. Of course there is a huge installed base of photographers that have gear and have no immediate interest in new gear... at least for now

The new smart phones are becoming so good for social media now it is hard to justify a separate...Show more →
If you dig a little deeper the drop in sales is almost all still point and shoot cameras which are still dropping in sales at over 30% a year. ILCs dropped only 9% in units sales and only 1.5 % in terms of dollars sold. So a pretty small drop. Breaking down ILCs DSLRs dropped about 20% but in terms of dollars mirrorless increased 23%.

Apr 08, 2019 at 05:10 PM

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Steve Spencer wrote:
If you dig a little deeper the drop in sales is almost all still point and shoot cameras which are still dropping in sales at over 30% a year. ILCs dropped only 9% in units sales and only 1.5 % in terms of dollars sold. So a pretty small drop. Breaking down ILCs DSLRs dropped about 20% but in terms of dollars mirrorless increased 23%.

Statistics has always been an interpretation of data sets and why there are so many opinions

As for pro and keen photographers the market will continue albeit fewer models being introduced and rationalizing of the industry.

It is not that the sky is falling but just the market is changing and adapting

Apr 08, 2019 at 05:25 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Latest CIPA February 2019 report trend

The market will do what the market will do, don’t worry about it and just shoot!

Apr 08, 2019 at 06:02 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Latest CIPA February 2019 report trend

It will be interesting to see how the fewer $$$ is being divided up between the products when that data becomes available.

Apr 08, 2019 at 06:07 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Latest CIPA February 2019 report trend

Duplicate thread on Sony Forum.

Apr 08, 2019 at 06:16 PM

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RoamingScott wrote:
The market will do what the market will do, don’t worry about it and just shoot!

Totally agree! If your intent is to immerse yourself within photography life goes on and the gear is just getting better. This does not even account for the massive inventory of bodies and lenses still out there.

Apr 08, 2019 at 06:17 PM

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Steve Spencer wrote:
only 1.5 % in terms of dollars sold.

It seems to me that dollars sold and margin are better ways to analyze the camera market in 2019.

Apr 08, 2019 at 06:28 PM

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Imagemaster wrote:
Duplicate thread on Sony Forum.

Yep, I thought both Sony and Nikon people might find it interesting. Not sure how to cross post or would have done that.

Apr 08, 2019 at 06:49 PM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Latest CIPA February 2019 report trend

I was just pointing out that the duplicate thread on the Nikon Forum was made by charlesK five hours after you already posted the same info.

Apr 08, 2019 at 07:50 PM

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RobCD wrote:
It seems to me that dollars sold and margin are better ways to analyze the camera market in 2019.

And probably a better indication of how the manufacturers are adapting to an evolving market.

Apr 08, 2019 at 11:04 PM

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Imagemaster wrote:
I was just pointing out that the duplicate thread on the Nikon Forum was made by charlesK five hours after you already posted the same info.

Charles did that especially for Nikon shooters like me never visiting the Sony forum

Apr 09, 2019 at 01:34 AM

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Thern wrote:
Charles did that especially for Nikon shooters like me never visiting the Sony forum

It is an interesting topic as we know the market is shrinking. I have just turned 61 and I have been taking shots since I was 5 years old and photography has just changed so many times since. My camera then was a plastic Kodak camera from Coles and it served me well for 2 years until I picked up a used Agfa RF 35mm body. If photography is a real interest rather than gear acquisition (which is always fun

) the art form will always be there.

Apr 09, 2019 at 02:07 AM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Latest CIPA February 2019 report trend

Yep it is interesting to witness (and use) the evolution of gear.
However photography is still about the same, observing, opportunity, luck and light.

Btw yesterday evening a friend of my youngest visited us and he showed us his new Huawei P30 Pro smartphone....
4 Leica lenses, AI, ability to shoot in raw aso.
In all honesty I can see why people don't bother about buying compacts anymore.

Apr 09, 2019 at 03:10 AM

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Thern wrote:
Yep it is interesting to witness (and use) the evolution of gear.
However photography is still about the same, observing, opportunity, luck and light.

Btw yesterday evening a friend of my youngest visited us and he showed us his new Huawei P30 Pro smartphone....
4 Leica lenses, AI, ability to shoot in raw aso.
In all honesty I can see why people don't bother about buying compacts anymore.

Funny you mention the Huawei P30 Pro as my wife and myself are just about to upgrade

Apr 09, 2019 at 03:20 AM

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charles.K wrote:
Statistics has always been an interpretation of data sets and why there are so many opinions

As for pro and keen photographers the market will continue albeit fewer models being introduced and rationalizing of the industry.

I don't see this happening, there is a breadth of new models that were introduced in 2018, including new camera and lens lines by several manufacturers. The focus seems to be on mid to high end (enthusiast and professional) equipment whereas the consumer market receives less attention in new product launches, for now. But IMO it may come back at some point once the products have evolved sufficiently.

Apr 09, 2019 at 04:34 AM

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And probably a better indication of how the manufacturers are adapting to an evolving market.

That is what I believe. We've known for at least several years that smartphones are going to take almost all of the P&S market and some percentage of the lower end ILC market too. I think most people also understand that traditional brick and mortar stores responsible for a lot of impulse camera purchases are going to have less of an impact. To me this means that cameras are primarily going to be sold to those that have a real need for a more advanced camera and those buyers are willing to spend more. Sony seemed to be the first company to aggressively transition to this model as they moved the average price of all of their cameras higher by packing in features. Whether it was the RX lines, aps-c or full frame they moved all of them to a higher price point and I don't think I remember them releasing any low end cameras in the last two or three years. It seems like most brands are following this strategy now. Canon is still having some success with low end cameras but I believe that is because they have the most brand awareness and the best distribution channels so they are able to milk the traditional channels for a while longer. To me this is probably a short term strategy which is also possibly why Canon's executive's have a gloomier outlook on the camera market as compared to the others. I will be interested to see how Nikon handles the lower end of their lineup with cameras like the D3500 and D5600 - I think this will give us a better idea of their overall strategy.

Apr 09, 2019 at 07:45 AM

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ilkka_nissila wrote:
I don't see this happening, there is a breadth of new models that were introduced in 2018, including new camera and lens lines by several manufacturers. The focus seems to be on mid to high end (enthusiast and professional) equipment whereas the consumer market receives less attention in new product launches, for now. But IMO it may come back at some point once the products have evolved sufficiently.

An overview of manufacturers illustrates that new models have reduced substantially since 2013. This aligns with the market changing and the growing smart phone market. Most people do not print photos and prefer to present via social media or print the likes of photo books online for the coffee table. The need for high resolution images is not needed as before except for pro and dedicated photographers. Recently I have seen many excellent photo books taken with smart phones and they would not improved much if the family had a dedicated camera. If fact they would have missed many shots without having the camera with them.

The other growth market is videos. The mix of shots captured on smart phones is changing from stills to many more video clips. The quality of videos clips have improved dramatically and most smart phones now have image stabilization.

I do not view the results as negative but the market changing and morphing and technology is just getting better.

Apr 09, 2019 at 04:43 PM

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charles.K wrote:
An overview of manufacturers illustrates that new models have reduced substantially since 2013. This aligns with the market changing and the growing smart phone market. Most people do not print photos and prefer to present via social media or print the likes of photo books online for the coffee table. The need for high resolution images is not needed as before except for pro and dedicated photographers. Recently I have seen many excellent photo books taken with smart phones and they would not improved much if the family had a dedicated camera. If fact they would have missed many shots...Show more →

Charles in my experience people who have photo books made may have a few pictures taken with a cell phone, but without exception everyone I know who has made one also has photos taken with a more advanced camera. It does not have to be an either or type of thing either you make a photo book with cell phone photos or with a dedicated camera photos. I would say only about 10 percent of my friends make such photos books, however. The vast majority of my friends just share photos on social media and save photos digitally and this 90% only use a phone. I think the future is going to be that people who are into photography as a serious hobby or an artistic pursuit or obviously as a profession are going to have a dedicated camera but everyone else is going to just have a cell phone. I think what that means for the low end of the ILC market is that it is going to shrink considerably but the mid and the high end of the ILC market is going to be pretty stable. I think that is what we are seeing already looking at the CIPA numbers.
I also think he convergence of video and stills has stalled and I am less and less convinced it will ever fully happen. I think you will always be able to take nice video with your dedicated stills camera, but the best video will require a camera designed for video and those who regularly make videos will want to have such a camera and on the lower end of video development a lot of what we will see will be taken with phones.

Apr 09, 2019 at 07:12 PM

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Charles in my experience people who have photo books made may have a few pictures taken with a cell phone, but without exception everyone I know who has made one also has photos taken with a more advanced camera. It does not have to be an either or type of thing either you make a photo book with cell phone photos or with a dedicated camera photos. I would say only about 10 percent of my friends make such photos books, however. The vast majority of my friends just share photos on social media and save photos digitally and...Show more →

I err to disagree here. My sons who both have Sonys NEX7 and A7r, now both use their latest iPhones along with their wives and collect images and now have made many photo book collections. Occasional my younger son will use his A7r and capture images but he really does not feel the need now. Interesting times

For many dedicated serious and pros we will always prefer to use a better camera... normally

Smart phone videos that are edited via Premiere Pro are surprisingly excellent with little post processing needed and I have had some very good experiences recently with the S8+.

Many of my friends love to have video clips and the smart phone is not too cumbersome to record. Of course if you are a serious videographer there are better choices

Apr 09, 2019 at 08:23 PM

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