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Archive 2019 · On body IS, can Canon have them?

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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · On body IS, can Canon have them?

Or simply can't? since they're still producing IS lenses. Even on their future mirrorless R direction? It will be beneficial don't you think? I'm about to let go all my L primes except the 17 TS-E lens and go with EOS R and the 2.0 zooms.

Apr 06, 2019 at 02:32 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · On body IS, can Canon have them?

I believe they stated that in body IS is coming with the future R bodies.

Apr 06, 2019 at 04:27 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · On body IS, can Canon have them?

I'd need to see how a handheld 600/4 R will work with IBIS compared to the current IS III.

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Apr 06, 2019 at 04:35 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · On body IS, can Canon have them?

I don't think they believe it's the best way to do it but they are pretty much forced to at this point if they ever want to try to shed the perception that they are behind in tech.

Apr 06, 2019 at 04:38 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · On body IS, can Canon have them?

I've consulted the oracle, but the future is cloudy. The results were inconclusive.

Apr 06, 2019 at 08:34 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · On body IS, can Canon have them?

To answer your question, sure they can. They can add it, but they don't want to make the last 20 years of in-lens IS development obsolete. How do you expect Canon to charge more for their lenses if they don't have to put IS in their lenses?

Apr 06, 2019 at 08:43 PM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · On body IS, can Canon have them?

bcguy wrote:
To answer your question, sure they can. They can add it, but they don't want to make the last 20 years of in-lens IS development obsolete. How do you expect Canon to charge more for their lenses if they don't have to put IS in their lenses?

Maybe Canon will do like Sony and have IBIS as well as lens stabilization that work in conjunction with each other.

Apr 06, 2019 at 09:28 PM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · On body IS, can Canon have them?

bcguy wrote:
To answer your question, sure they can. They can add it, but they don't want to make the last 20 years of in-lens IS development obsolete. How do you expect Canon to charge more for their lenses if they don't have to put IS in their lenses?

So does Sony put IS in lenses simply so they can squeeze more $$$$ out of their customers?

Apr 06, 2019 at 09:55 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · On body IS, can Canon have them?

ggreene wrote:
I don't think they believe it's the best way to do it but they are pretty much forced to at this point if they ever want to try to shed the perception that they are behind in tech.

Everything I've read says Canon doesn't like IBIS for reasons that make sense to me. I'm not an engineer, so I have no realistic way of knowing if they're truly right or wrong. But if everyone's going IBIS and the customers think it's superior, they've got to give them what they want or else lose them, regardless of what they truly want to do.

Then again it could be a disaster if they don't implement it right. Didn't Nikon put the AF motors in camera bodies for a period and it flopped? Great idea on paper, yet not so great in the real world.

Apr 07, 2019 at 12:11 AM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · On body IS, can Canon have them?

JR137 wrote:
.... Didn't Nikon put the AF motors in camera bodies for a period and it flopped? Great idea on paper, yet not so great in the real world.

That's a legacy thing. In the olden days, it was industry-standard for AF lenses to be driven by a motor in the body, for all major brands except Canon. Many brands produced first-gen AF lenses with the motor in the lens, but they were big and clunky. For example, ...

Canon lens museum, New FD35-70mm f/4 AF, https://global.canon/en/c-museum/product/nfd244.html

Putting AF motors in the lens was first introduced in 1987 (at least as a system) by Canon EOS (Electro-Optical System) with EF (Electro-Focus) lenses. Since then, most brands have migrated towards this approach.

Many modern cameras (e.g. D850) retain the body AF motor for backward compatibility with body-driven lenses. It's interesting to note that the D850 manual does not identify the screw-drive interface (at about 7 o'clock on the face of the camera mount), even though it's plainly visible in the manual drawings.

Apr 07, 2019 at 07:15 AM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · On body IS, can Canon have them?

Canon has stated IBIS is coming multiple times at this point. Many of the new future releases will have them, and some have taken Canon's words to mean that all future mirrorless will, but we know that Canon plays the feature game and that likely won't be the case.

There is nothing cloudy about Canon IBIS at all, so those that aren't sure or are throwing out psychic predictions should first read and listen to the Canon interview videos and blogs.

Apr 07, 2019 at 07:27 AM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · On body IS, can Canon have them?

In recent discussions about IS on the Alt forum, members have reported that systems that support both body IS and lens IS (e.g. Panasonic m43) work better when both are active, and they're usually pretty OK with only one operating. Early discussions (when IBIS was introduced), consistently reported that lens IS was most effective for longer focal lengths, but I expect this may change, as IBIS techniologies evolve (which they have). I'd like to have an EOS camera with IBIS, provided that it plays well with existing Canon IS lenses. I expect this is another area where existing 'compatible' lenses with (for example) Sigma OS and Tamron VC, will have future compatibility issues, with whatever protocols Canon introduces to support both lens and body IS.

Apr 07, 2019 at 07:32 AM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · On body IS, can Canon have them?

mogul wrote:
Maybe Canon will do like Sony and have IBIS as well as lens stabilization that work in conjunction with each other.

Given Canon's history this will probably be another intentional gimping for more cash. First iteration will require IS on lenses to be turned off, second iteration will work with it. If this is a question of their tech not being able to do it then they have sunk to new lows.

Apr 07, 2019 at 08:19 AM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · On body IS, can Canon have them?

D.Hussey wrote:
So does Sony put IS in lenses simply so they can squeeze more $$$$ out of their customers?

There's surely a hint of what you're saying in play, but it's also because many current Sony (APS-C) bodies have no IBIS so their users would be at a disadvantage. The way it currently is in the Sony world you can have your cake and eat it too ("for a small additional fee"...

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Apr 07, 2019 at 08:23 AM


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