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Another one from the quick trip out East...well it's east to me...

I got to MV in the afternoon the day before...there was an hour-long wait to get to the pay station.. I made a U-turn and went to do other things (Mexican hat, Goosenecks etc) and came back in the evening. It was FRIGID with the wind. I hadn't slept much in the past 2 days as I went from Factory Butte to Moab to Shiprock and few other places in between. Driving was dicey due to all the snow and me in my car, getting everywhere took longer...oh ya..back to this photo...it was 12 degrees when i started flying, after being out for 2-3 minutes i just sat down on the passenger side and manned the drone...ahhh toasty...the day before the ipad died TWICE after it showed it still had 80% battery life...i had to fly blind using only the sound of the drone trying to land it near shiprock...another story for another day....

Jan 04, 2019 at 03:54 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Fly High...

Fantastic image - I love everything about it !!!

Jan 04, 2019 at 10:13 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Fly High...

Very nice Sunny, nice flying.

Jan 04, 2019 at 11:57 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Fly High...

man, that's another real beauty.....you picked a great week to be out there

Jan 05, 2019 at 08:22 AM

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Just gorgeous!

Jan 05, 2019 at 01:31 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Fly High...

A thrilling and inspiring view. Excellent work, Sunny.

Jan 05, 2019 at 01:50 PM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Fly High...

Nice! Drones sure give a different perspective to familiar landscape.

Mr.G

Jan 05, 2019 at 08:04 PM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Fly High...

Five replies here, plus a Drone flyer that does not realize its illegal to fly a freakin Drone over Monument Valley...Jeez... Really? Never crossed your mind that this epic land under the Navajo rule might not be cool with you flying your drone over their lands and promoting it to online social media?

Theres this weird thing going on that people with Drones just feel its ok to send them up without looking into the rules. To the point where its cool with them to share their drone imagery online with us...Blows me away...

Common Man...

Jan 05, 2019 at 10:45 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Fly High...

Beautiful image. Love the unique perspective you are getting with the drone.

Jan 06, 2019 at 10:29 AM

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Kane Engelbert wrote:
Five replies here, plus a Drone flyer that does not realize its illegal to fly a freakin Drone over Monument Valley...Jeez... Really? Never crossed your mind that this epic land under the Navajo rule might not be cool with you flying your drone over their lands and promoting it to online social media?

Theres this weird thing going on that people with Drones just feel its ok to send them up without looking into the rules. To the point where its cool with them to share their drone imagery online with us...Blows me away...

Common Man...

I knew I'd get some heat from some people who don't know the rules or understand the rules. That's ok. Have a great day

Jan 06, 2019 at 04:59 PM

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Sunny Sra wrote:
I knew I'd get some heat from some people who don't know the rules or understand the rules. That's ok. Have a great day

Sunny, Maybe Im missing something? If you are privy to rules and regulations Im not aware of please share with us to clear this up. Im certainly not above being incorrect in my assessment. What are the rules for flying drones in Monument Valley and Tribal Parks? Looking at your image its clear to me its within Navajo Tribal land. Heres a simple link the Monument Valley website that speaks of Drones being prohibited. Plus signs are posted all around the visitor center.

https://navajonationparks.org/permits/commercial-film-photography/

Jan 06, 2019 at 07:36 PM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Fly High...

First, this is a spectacular image.
Second, I'd love to know what kind of drone, sensor, lens, etc.
Third, while I am tempted to consider a drone, knowing where it is legal/acceptable and what those limitations are seems crucial overall and in my own decision-making. I suspect many areas that interest me are off limits. And I am not sure what I think about where those limits should be extended.
Fourth, I followed the link. Seems ambiguous about whether drones are allowed. To my reading, an approved permit seems necessary.

Scott

Jan 06, 2019 at 08:02 PM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Fly High...

Did you have a permit? I feel like I know the rules pretty well. Seeing questionable images is of concern because rules are restrictive as is, and only get worse with disregard.

Sunny Sra wrote:
I knew I'd get some heat from some people who don't know the rules or understand the rules. That's ok. Have a great day

Jan 06, 2019 at 09:09 PM

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Michael H wrote:
Did you have a permit? I feel like I know the rules pretty well. Seeing questionable images is of concern because rules are restrictive as is, and only get worse with disregard.

I don't need a permit for shooting from outside the park. Go high enough, pan the camera ...take the shot...

Jan 06, 2019 at 10:56 PM

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Kane Engelbert wrote:
Sunny, Maybe Im missing something? If you are privy to rules and regulations Im not aware of please share with us to clear this up. Im certainly not above being incorrect in my assessment. What are the rules for flying drones in Monument Valley and Tribal Parks? Looking at your image it's clear to me its within Navajo Tribal land. Heres a simple link the Monument Valley website that speaks of Drones being prohibited. Plus signs are posted all around the visitor center.

https://navajonationparks.org/permits/commercial-film-photography/

1. I did not fly from inside the park. There are big signs posted there. I respect that, MV is my 1-2 visits a year regularly for the past 15 years, so I do know the rules there.
2. Go high...like the max height ...close to 2000 ft...
3. Pan the camera down, take a panorama etc
4. The drone shoots RAW/DNG
5. Take the photo

you do know you can do paid helicopter tours over MV? so tell me how this is different...if I pay it's ok...otherwise it's not?

Don't be narrow-minded, accusatory and judgemental...this conversation would've gone very differently had you messaged me instead of climbing on your high horse.

Jan 06, 2019 at 11:00 PM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Fly High...

Wish my High Horse would go 2000 ft high like yours. Mine just goes 400-ft to comply with FAA's regulations...

Snarkyness aside..

I get the idea of standing on a highway and seeing a sign that denotes a Monument Valley border. It mirrors those drone flyers that stand on a wilderness boundary and launch their birds to get a nice shot for themselves and rely on a technical legallity to post their image on line. The selected Monument Valley border IMO is a ambiguous... due to many factors. However I am happy you finally stated your reason for shooting the scene after wishing I would just go away.

For me, and others, which include a huge sector of drone owners, and likely about 95% of Navajo Nation, it just goes deeper. From my understanding, deep rooted Navajo's value their encompassing land similar to how we value our home and neighborhoods. If it doesn't feel right, then why do it? Ask yourself this...Would you pull off hwy163 on one of the many Navajo Jewelry huts and launch off your drone? Are you willing to explain to a Navajo that has questions for you concerning flying your drone over their land? Are you willing to explain to a Navajo man or women the FAA rules and regulations of flying a drone over there land? Have fun with that.

Ill admit to being a little grumpy when I first saw your post and my reply mirrors my mood at the time. Overall Im not happy with myself and my first response. And I can see where you felt I was being Judgmental and opinionated. For that I am not proud of.

However I will not take responsibilty for not Private Messaging you to start dialogue on this controversial topic. Starting a private message is nobodys responsibility. Instead I would expect the Thread beginner and owner of this controversial image to expect pushback, just like you have admitted, and just state where you shot the image and not leave it up to us Pushbackers to have an opinion. Thats my opinion and Im out. Happy Flying

Jan 07, 2019 at 09:54 PM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Fly High...

Drone noise pollution really sucks when you're trying to enjoy these amazing places, in my opinion. I get that they're fun toys and it's a free country, but even if you are technically flying legally, they negatively impact plenty of other people in the vicinity (not even taking in to account the issues with sensitivity to local preferences in the Navajo nation and elsewhere).

The image is definitely a cool view and well composed with nice light.

Cheers,
Heron

Jan 07, 2019 at 11:06 PM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Fly High...

I think the image is beautiful! Powerful and cold!

If you followed the rules, you followed the rules. End of story for me.

There are places that I have photographed or I occasionally take people to that people online would love to fry me over, but all is not always as black and white as some may think. For instance, if you are genuine friends with the native governing body and specific landowners of some places that are off-limits to the nonnative public, well, sometimes you can be taken in. There was a place I took a group last year that everyone online was saying was totally off limits. This particular place, I am personal friends with the specific people who own/govern the land. One of those governing people saw me (from a distance) and came up to tell me I could not take people to the place, but then when we saw each other I had the total go ahead. I'm not going to share any of these specific locations here on this thread, but all this to say that yes, I totally agree with abiding by the rules! It does irritate me when people are breaking them left and right. I know some popular photographers who are shooting drone shots (where you cannot fly drones) and then claiming they were taken out of a helicopter, for instance.

But all is not pure black or white in some situations. If (and I mean IF) it IS legal to fly at 2000ft just outside the boundary of the area that is off limits. Well, then that is the boundary. If some land is no trespassing, but you know the owner of the land and they have the authority to let you photograph there, well sometimes doing the hard groundwork of making personal friendships with people like this can give a photographer an advantage. There is a place I take images from (and take people to) in Oregon that everyone who sees them seems to think I trespassed because it is well known private land and the landowner does not want ANY photographers out there. Well, I am friends with him. Many years ago I went out of my way to be friendly and respectful to him, and he gladly lets me in...

Jan 08, 2019 at 07:31 AM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Fly High...

Super image, I really like the different perspective that the drone gives to this great landscape.

Jan 08, 2019 at 12:43 PM

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OregonSun wrote:
Drone noise pollution really sucks when you're trying to enjoy these amazing places, in my opinion. I get that they're fun toys and it's a free country, but even if you are technically flying legally, they negatively impact plenty of other people in the vicinity (not even taking in to account the issues with sensitivity to local preferences in the Navajo nation and elsewhere).

The image is definitely a cool view and well composed with nice light.

Cheers,
Heron

There are so many other forms of sound polution including humans that the light sound of a drone at 2,000 feet really does not even register. I've been at remote places where people feel it's ok to listen to music, yell at the top of their lungs, throw a football between themselves etc...

Drones, if used respectively, are really a minor annoyance compared to other forms out there.

Jan 09, 2019 at 07:40 PM

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