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Nick Birkett
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · D850 vs D7200

A gear question - hope it's OK in this forum.

I currently use a D7200 with the 16-80mm and 70-200mm f/4 lenses as my main lenses. I enjoy landscapes/travel photos mainly, with an interest in wildlife that isn't well developed. Many folks suggest that full frame cameras are preferred for landscapes (dynamic range, better wide angle options) but it is not a universal opinion.

I am debating shifting from a D7200 to a full frame Nikon. The D850 is the most interesting option but a D810 or D750 could also be considered. However, if I made the shift, I'd also need to replace my 16-80mm lens. I'm not keen on using multiple primes. A shift to FF would be expensive and I wonder how big the benefit would be? But, if I am going to do it, given my age, I should do it now, not wait a couple of years

And, I am not interested in mirrorless.

I'd be interested on opinions on these questions:

Would the switch to a full frame help produce better images? I recognize the producing a good image depends on more than your gear (composition, light, the location, etc.) and that a FF camera won't help with those.
What lens would you suggest to replace the 16-80mm? A 24-70mm is an 'obvious' choice but covers a shorter focal length range. The 24-120mm gets mixed reviews. On my last trip, I found that 30% of my images with the 16-80mm were at 80mm, with 50% of them being at focal lengths that would be longer than 70mm FF, suggesting that the 24-70mm lens may not be a good choice for my current shooting style, despite the great performance it offers.

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Nov 05, 2018 at 08:27 AM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · D850 vs D7200

Nick,

I'm not sure if you can move your thread or if a moderator has to, but you may get more specific responses under the Nikon board.

I am in a very similar situation. I currently own a D7100 with the 16-80 and am planning on upgrading to a D750 with the 24-120 in the near future.

The main motivation for my upgrade is the better ISO performance, as a majority of my shooting is done indoors chasing my kids around.

The 24-120 on the FF would be the same range as the 16-80 on the DX. I have heard that many people like the Sigma Art 24-105, but it is heavier than the Nikon version.

Good luck with your decision!

Nov 05, 2018 at 09:22 AM

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prefrosh01 wrote:
Nick,

I'm not sure if you can move your thread or if a moderator has to, but you may get more specific responses under the Nikon board.

I am in a very similar situation. I currently own a D7100 with the 16-80 and am planning on upgrading to a D750 with the 24-120 in the near future.

The main motivation for my upgrade is the better ISO performance, as a majority of my shooting is done indoors chasing my kids around.

The 24-120 on the FF would be the same range as the 16-80 on the DX. I have heard that many people...Show more →

Thanks. I can't move the thread :-( I have seen some threads that are linked to multiple forums - not sure how to do that. I posted here because of the landscape focus. Over in the Nikon forum, it can be hard to keep a thread focused on an area of application, leading to many comments about other styles of photography

ISO is one difference with landscape and people/kids. I tend to use a low ISO, with apertures in the range of f/8 to f/16. So, high ISO performance is generally less of an issue.

Nov 05, 2018 at 09:34 AM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · D850 vs D7200

wrong forum.

Nov 05, 2018 at 11:17 AM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · D850 vs D7200

Jeffrey wrote:
wrong forum.

See. my previous post - I can not move it. But, why is it the wrong forum? I'm asking about camera suitability for landscape photography.

Nov 05, 2018 at 11:33 AM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · D850 vs D7200

Interesting that you're not considering mirrorless when DSLRs are a dying breed.

1. You've answered your own question. If you're referring to image quality, then generally, yes, FF provides a cleaner image at higher ISO, and will also look cleaner the larger the print.

2. I think you've got plenty of research knowledge to make a good decision here.

I was somewhat in a similar dilema last year, although I had a Canon 6D full frame. I ended up going to Fuji X-T2 APS-C camera. My main reason is that full frame quality glass is too expensive for me. I was strongly considering the Sony A7iii, but the GMaster lenses are far too pricey for me. From my research, Fuji lenses are generally better than Canon, Nikon, and Sony. Canon and Nikon definitely have far more options, but almost every single Fuji X-mount lens is amazing and...relatively affordable.

One last thing...the D750 has AA/low pass filter. The D850 and all Fuji X-trans 3 and 4 sensor cameras do not.

Nov 05, 2018 at 11:43 AM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · D850 vs D7200

Depending on your processing skills and what size prints you wish to make, you may or may not see much difference with any of the full frame upgrades. The D7200 is capable of good detail and the 16-80 is a sharp lens. Full frame can gain you some dynamic range. But note that going to full frame will require much more expensive and larger/heavier lenses.
I went from a D7200 to a D750 and while I see more difference in indoor photography, I can't say that I see that much in outdoor photography.

Nov 05, 2018 at 09:22 PM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · D850 vs D7200

Nick Birkett wrote:
See. my previous post - I can not move it. But, why is it the wrong forum? I'm asking about camera suitability for landscape photography.

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/landscape.htm

"This forum is for the presentation and discussion of presented images. All gear discussions go to the gear forums. Trip location advice should be posted on the Trip Location Advice & Member Meet-ups board."

Nov 05, 2018 at 11:35 PM

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adittam wrote:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/landscape.htm

"This forum is for the presentation and discussion of presented images. All gear discussions go to the gear forums. Trip location advice should be posted on the Trip Location Advice & Member Meet-ups board."

Sorry. That statement doesn't show up when you enter the forum or prepare a thread. It seemed reasonable if I wanted advice about landscape photography to post my question in a landscape forum.

Nov 06, 2018 at 06:48 AM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · D850 vs D7200

Nick, sorry to be a pain, but yes, Fred specifically has said "no gear discussion on the landscape forum" - it goes into the gear forum only"

Perhaps letting this one die and posting again in the Nikon gear forum, may be the best way forward?

I will say though that your question is not very encouraging of answers as it seems a bit lost as to the exact point. Wanting a boring middle ground zoom, and seemingly one lens at that, suggests a person on the wrong track, or not very experienced, but strictured at the same time.

My own viewpoint Is that I couldn't give you an helpful answer to your question from what you have posted, as more detail of how exactly, and what exactly you want to shoot, and the results you seek, compared to your current gear. A lot depends also on how much your budget is.

My own view of what makes a landscape kit for me would be a lens like the 17-35 F 2.8 for all around wide shooting ( I don't care for the look of wider than about 16 or 17mm for regular landscapes), a fast wide which is good for astro-photography such as the 12mm Rokinon, a micro lens, the 24 tilts shift and a 300 f 4.0. Between 28 and about 60, well, to me it's boring land.

Just the 19, 24 and 45 tilt shift lenses would make me stay away from any crop sensor for landscape ( though I have a D500) as the movements don't show nearly the same, and I LOVE having a T/S lens in the bag, if thinking about landscapes.

Nov 06, 2018 at 07:14 PM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · D850 vs D7200

Thanks. I was just pointing out that the limits imposed on topics isn't obvious when you come to post in the forum - you have to dig to find the limits and most posters (me included) aren't going to do that before posting.

I've already posted over in the Nikon forum and have two pages of suggestions with conflicting opinions :-) I don't see the 16-80mm or 24-70mm as 'boring' and they make long distance walks more feasible than a bunch of primes. Without being able to test the gear, it is hard to know if the differences with good primes would be noticeable in my photography (as opposed to someone like you with better skills and vision). This may all be saying that I am not ready for a D850

I like well done UWA landscapes but I think there is a lot of skill needed to make good images at those focal lengths. Similarly, I like telephoto landscapes (200mm and up), in the right place. I also like long exposure landscapes where 28-60mm seems OK (to me). I like taking panoramas and like images with a panoramic aspect ratio; the 18-60 lens works well for that format. T/S lenses are beyond my price point since they would have a limited application.

Thanks for your comments but I agree: Let's let this thread pass on.

Nov 06, 2018 at 07:32 PM


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