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p.12 #1 · p.12 #1 · Wildlife lens selection and why not the 400mm GM


I spent a few hours in the evening looking for wood ducks last week. I'm shooting with the A7RIII (v3.0) and the Canon 400mm f2.8L IS Mark I. I found the focus to be the same as the v2.01 firmware - solid for slower moving subjects but not usable for BIF. Animal Eye AF did not work on the ducks. It just did not recognize the eye. I ended up using the small flexible spot focus and that was solid for precise focus. I think the same lens on the a9 would be better for BIF and I'll probably jump on the a9II when it comes out


May 04, 2019 at 11:34 AM
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Has anybody tried the Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS USM Extender 1.4x Lens with a Sony A9 or other full frame Sony body and either Sigma or Metaones converters? I'm curious how it would compare to the Sony FE 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 G OSS for shooting mammals primarily but sometimes birds and so the 560-600mm end is of interest to me. Autofocus speed would be my main wish together with weather sealing, and thinking of wide apertures for dull conditions. Of key interest to me is how the AF speed of the 200-400 with a Sony converter would compare to something like a 400 prime such as a converted Canon 400 f/2.8 or f/4 DO II on an A9 or other FF Sony?



Nov 28, 2019 at 11:47 AM
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p.12 #3 · p.12 #3 · Wildlife lens selection and why not the 400mm GM


maholyoak wrote:
Has anybody tried the Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS USM Extender 1.4x Lens with a Sony A9 or other full frame Sony body and either Sigma or Metaones converters? I'm curious how it would compare to the Sony FE 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 G OSS for shooting mammals primarily but sometimes birds and so the 560-600mm end is of interest to me. Autofocus speed would be my main wish together with weather sealing, and thinking of wide apertures for dull conditions. Of key interest to me is how the AF speed of the 200-400 with a Sony converter would compare to something
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I know that Eric ( @eyelaser ) has tried the 200-400. As I recall he wasn't impressed with it...wasn't focusing well. But maybe send him a PM to get more details.

My 400DOII, 600II and my friend's 600III all worked very well on my Sigma MC-11. Certainly good enough for animals and a lot of birds. Just not always fast BIF.



Nov 28, 2019 at 12:51 PM
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p.12 #4 · p.12 #4 · Wildlife lens selection and why not the 400mm GM


This interesting discussion makes me curious to know how well some of these adapted long lens work with the A7RIV vs the native lenses.


Nov 28, 2019 at 10:17 PM
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p.12 #5 · p.12 #5 · Wildlife lens selection and why not the 400mm GM


Definitely a great discussion. I would also love to hear about experiences with the 200-400.....


Nov 29, 2019 at 09:45 AM
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p.12 #6 · p.12 #6 · Wildlife lens selection and why not the 400mm GM


Optically, the 3 Canon lenses, EF 400mm f/2.8 Mark II, EF 400mm f/4 DO Mark II and EF 600mm f/4 Mark II, I had were superb. I had the 400mm lens the longest and it was carried over from my Canon days. I bought the DO lens later since I thought there was a need for a lighter and more compact lens for a trip to Costa Rica but I ended up taking the f/2.8 lens and it worked out great for 2 birding trips there. However, it a 400mm felt too short on many occasions and I ended up using TC or double TCs (FYI, you can stack TCs using Metabones V).

The supply of the Sony 400mm f/2.8 GM lens was limited in the beginning and the lens would not give much advantage, if any over the Canon in terms of focal length. Since the progress of the firmware development of adapters on both Metabones and Sigma, I ended up buying or re-buying a Canon 600mm lens and I started this thread.

The AF performance of adapted Canon lenses on Sony cameras varies widely from lens to lens. In general, the newer lenses perform better. I would strongly suggest to try it first before committing of buying. The 3 Canon lenses performed pretty much among the best out there on the A9. They can track larger birds in flight, such as cranes, geese, even eagles as long as their flight path is predictable or in a known pattern. No problem for slowing moving/swimming ducks, of course and for 4-legged animals. But those lenses show their weakness for small birds that fly erratically.

So, when Sony introduced the 600mm GM in August, I bought it. I took that Sony lens to Ecuador last month. The shooting circumstances are similar to those in Costa Rica. I ended up taking less images there and the ratio of well focused and blurred images is significantly larger than that of the 2 trips in Costa Rica and that with the A7r IV. As such, I only took some 25% less images than the previous 2 trips to CR.

I never had the Canon 200-400mm f/4 lens but from what I could gather it is big and heavy. Of course, the built-in TC is a significant advantage over a regular and similarly specified lenses. However, the new Sony G 200-600mm lens is a formidable lens, quite light and not as bulky. The big advantage of that lens is the native AF performance of Sony cameras and even more so, it is priced very competitively. Yes, it is a slower lens relative to the Canon 200-400mm but the difference is almost negligible if you use the TC and then the reach is a tad shorter.

I am bringing a new perspective to the original intention of this thread...



Nov 29, 2019 at 11:56 AM
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p.12 #7 · p.12 #7 · Wildlife lens selection and why not the 400mm GM


I PM'ed Eyelaser and got this back about the Canon EF 200-400 with built in teleconverter:
"I was hoping it would work with the Mc-11
Or other adapter but other than center point it didn’t really work well. I was quite disappointed..."

It seems like few if any others have tried this combination but that it is not one that works well. Consequently I'm most tempted by the Canon 400 DO II with the MC-11 given that a native Sony GM 400 f/2.8 or 600 f/4 are probably out of reach and nobody (earlier in this thread for instance) pointed out a great advantage of the adapted Canon 400 f/2.8 over the 400 DO II other than the slight the resolution improvement that is also true on Canon bodies.



Nov 29, 2019 at 02:50 PM
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p.12 #8 · p.12 #8 · Wildlife lens selection and why not the 400mm GM


Thanks @AGeoJO and @maolyoak! Appreciate the perspective and the follow-up.


Nov 30, 2019 at 04:01 PM
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