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Archive 2018 · PIXII - A radical, contemporary rangefinder camera

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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · PIXII - A radical, contemporary rangefinder camera

Not much details on this yet, but sure looks like another interesting rangefinder digital camera concept. At least it was conceived by an experienced professional instead of a bunch of students like the Konost. What do you guys think?

Official site: https://pixii.fr/
More info: http://reciprocus.com/sites/default/files/Teaser-LTC-PIXII.pdf

Sep 29, 2018 at 10:08 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · PIXII - A radical, contemporary rangefinder camera

Cool concept but vapourware

Sep 29, 2018 at 10:39 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · PIXII - A radical, contemporary rangefinder camera

According to the PDF, looks like they're already behind in hitting their targets.

Regarding the camera, I think it's a decent concept. On the technical side, wondering what sensor format - APS-C or FF? Where does your thumb go? The menu button and USB port seem to be in the way and in the wrong spot. Shutter release also looks too close to the right edge and not where your finger would naturally land (probably more where the shutter speed dial is located). Why not put shutter speed numbers on the shutter speed dial instead of the tiny LCD?

Sep 29, 2018 at 10:45 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · PIXII - A radical, contemporary rangefinder camera

I've been saying for years I'd buy a camera with no screen and no AF.

Sep 30, 2018 at 08:33 AM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · PIXII - A radical, contemporary rangefinder camera

Seems like using a lens hood or a larger lens will seriously interfere with the rangefinder.

Sep 30, 2018 at 09:01 AM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · PIXII - A radical, contemporary rangefinder camera

rscheffler wrote:
Why not put shutter speed numbers on the shutter speed dial instead of the tiny LCD?

Based on the "menu/iso" button and the info on the panel, I think the dial adjusts not only shutter speed but also ISO and probably other things, like on the Leica S and SL.

I'd go for a real shutter dial though.

Sep 30, 2018 at 09:03 AM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · PIXII - A radical, contemporary rangefinder camera

Remember Konost?

Sep 30, 2018 at 10:48 AM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · PIXII - A radical, contemporary rangefinder camera

Leica Rumors has posted an update as follows:

12 MP APS-C 4:3 sensor with global shutter (4096 x 3072, 22.5 x 16.9 mm)
5.5-micron photosites
Price: around €3,500
M-mount
Aluminum body
Micro USB
No LCD screen
Sony NP-FW50 battery
Shipping in December

Given the sensor format, resolution and price point, I believe this will not be a compelling purchase for many. But given it's an 'independent' product development, I can't imagine it's easy to bring the price point down relative to the likely sales volume. Global shutter is interesting. I take it to mean no mechanical shutter and therefore full-time silent e-shutter. The APS-C crop of M wides will be an annoyance.

€3,500 might be more palatable with a modest resolution full frame sensor, but there's no denying it's already in Leica price territory relative to what can be found on the used market.

In any case, I look forward to reading user feedback once it becomes available.

Nov 12, 2018 at 03:07 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · PIXII - A radical, contemporary rangefinder camera

Looking good - especially with the M-mount. Potentially a cheap Leica digital alternative. Critical question: how much? If it is the price as above mentioned for 3500 Euro, then thanks but no thanks! Mark it for below $1000, and we can talk....

Nov 12, 2018 at 03:11 PM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · PIXII - A radical, contemporary rangefinder camera

$1000 is unrealistic in the form of a low volume boutique product. But I agree €3,500 is steep for what you're getting on paper. Maybe the user experience will be magical and therefore compelling enough for some...

Nov 12, 2018 at 03:41 PM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · PIXII - A radical, contemporary rangefinder camera

rscheffler wrote:
Leica Rumors has posted an update as follows:

12 MP APS-C 4:3 sensor with global shutter (4096 x 3072, 22.5 x 16.9 mm)
5.5-micron photosites
Price: around €3,500
M-mount
Aluminum body
Micro USB
No LCD screen
Sony NP-FW50 battery
Shipping in December

Given the sensor format, resolution and price point, I believe this will not be a compelling purchase for many. But given it's an 'independent' product development, I can't imagine it's easy to bring the price point down relative to the likely sales volume. Global shutter is interesting. I take it to mean no mechanical shutter and therefore full-time silent e-shutter. The APS-C crop of M wides will be...Show more →

DOA

Nov 13, 2018 at 07:00 AM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · PIXII - A radical, contemporary rangefinder camera

rscheffler wrote:
$1000 is unrealistic in the form of a low volume boutique product. But I agree €3,500 is steep for what you're getting on paper. Maybe the user experience will be magical and therefore compelling enough for some...

I'm no marketing expert, so I'm not second-guessing this project's backers. But one certainly has to wonder about the market research they did to justify this project and which demographic group(s) they have targeted as potential buyers for it. <scratches head>

Nov 13, 2018 at 09:05 AM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · PIXII - A radical, contemporary rangefinder camera

People who have disposable income and just want to have fun shooting a digital rangefinder camera system without getting too hung up on specs?

€3,500 is VAT inclusive. If they don't charge considerably more for export out of the EU, it's about $3300 US pre-VAT.

Full specs published at Leica Rumors

Viewfinder
Optical viewfinder with coinciding rangefinder (magnification 0,67X)
LED backlit framelines with exposure indicators
Automatic parallax correction
Automatic led intensity adjustment
Framelines for standard prime lenses: 40/50mm, 28/35mm

Sensor
CMOS sensor, 5.5µm pixel pitch
Global electronic shutter
12-bits sampling rate, and high dynamic range (60-90dB)
APS-C optical format
RAW (DNG) and JPEG format (4080x2732)
Native gain: ISO 200, programmable from 100 to 6400 ISO
RGB color matrix, optimized with micro-lenses
IR filter, no low-pass < 1.0mm
Lens
Interchangeable lens system
Manual focus and aperture control
M compatible lens mount, also compatible with M39/LTM lenses (with adapter)
Dark chamber designed to fit collapsible lenses

Body
Machined aluminium body
Finition: silver anodized, gray, matte black lacquer, carbon titane (special order)
ISO accessory shoe, tripod socket A ¼, lugs for carrying strap
Dimensions : 138x79x33mm
Weight: approx. 460g (incl. battery)

Controls
Manual shutter speed selector
Automatic speed mode
2 stage shutter button: exposure metering/lock, shutter release
Quick ISO selection, white-balance and supplementary settings via integrated menu
OLED control screen
System
ARM processors (2) with integrated FPGA accelerator
Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n connectivity, Bluetooth LE 4.2 (upgradeable to 5.0)
8Go or 32Go internal storage
Power
Li-ion 7.4V battery, 1000mAh capacity, model NP-FW50
Integrated USB charger
Programmable suspend and power off timer
Price & Availability
Pixii A1112 - 8GB silver aluminum - 3480 euros (incl. 20% VAT)
Pixii A1112 - 8GB space gray or black - 3540 euros (incl. 20% VAT)
Other configurations will be available in early 2019
Launching in Europe on the 14th of December
International pricing and worldwide availability will be announced in Q1 2019

Nov 14, 2018 at 08:14 AM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · PIXII - A radical, contemporary rangefinder camera

Almost any secondhand Leica M digital will be more practical, better made, better ergonomically, more flexible, have better IQ and will probably be cheaper.

Nov 14, 2018 at 09:44 AM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · PIXII - A radical, contemporary rangefinder camera

wolfloid wrote:
Almost any secondhand Leica M digital will be more practical, better made, better ergonomically, more flexible, have better IQ and will probably be cheaper.

+1. Exactly. And this will kill this project right there.

Nov 14, 2018 at 10:29 AM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · PIXII - A radical, contemporary rangefinder camera

Wait, so it is a 12mp $3500 APS-C camera?

DOA.

Nov 14, 2018 at 11:43 AM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · PIXII - A radical, contemporary rangefinder camera

But with a frame rate of 300 fps, according to mirrorless rumors.
Jan

Nov 14, 2018 at 04:43 PM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · PIXII - A radical, contemporary rangefinder camera

Hopefully like Leica, there's more to it than on-paper specs. But I am skeptical. At least it promises to be an actual shipping product, unlike Konost.

Nov 14, 2018 at 09:12 PM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · PIXII - A radical, contemporary rangefinder camera

But Konost was at least an interesting concept.

Nov 15, 2018 at 04:38 PM

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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · PIXII - A radical, contemporary rangefinder camera

So an RD-1? With a FF sensor and 18MP, you’d have something. $3500 gets you a used M246? Hell, an M8 kind of has more appeal.

Why can’t we get a FF sensor on the Zeiss Ikon RF camera

Nov 15, 2018 at 07:58 PM

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