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In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera

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p.8 #1 · p.8 #1 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera

Zeiss would have made more money if they just released a decenct sub $1k 35mm FE lens instead of a niche 35mm point and shoot. The sonnar made this obsolete a few years ago.

Sep 28, 2018 at 02:17 AM

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p.8 #2 · p.8 #2 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera

IMO the camera fails to deliver on its own concept because it doesn't have 4G communication. In a lot of places, you will have to transfer the image to your smartphone before sharing anyway, as there will be no WiFi coverage.

Sep 28, 2018 at 02:19 AM

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p.8 #3 · p.8 #3 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera

alundeb wrote:
IMO the camera fails to deliver on its own concept because it doesn't have 4G communication. In a lot of places, you will have to transfer the image to your smartphone before sharing anyway, as there will be no WiFi coverage.

Just log the camera in to the wifi hotspot provided by your phone.

The mobile phone standards are too much of a moving target for a device with the projected life of a high-end camera. We're already hearing about 5G. The 4G frequencies changed and I had to get another phone.

Sep 28, 2018 at 02:42 AM

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p.8 #4 · p.8 #4 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera

ChrisMak wrote:
Should it not have had a 28mm lens? Perhaps I'm alone in this, but 35 for a fixed lens camera is too narrow for me. 28mm would have been ideal, perhaps with a 35mm crop mode? Oh, and a choice of Lightroom and Capture one please..

Chris

If it were, I wouldn't consider it. The 28mm FL is the reason I ultimately didn't move on the Leica Q. Too close to my smartphone.

Sep 28, 2018 at 02:51 AM

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p.8 #5 · p.8 #5 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera

I wonder how much more popular this would have been if the rx1 range had never been released? It seems they have missed the boat slightly

Sep 28, 2018 at 02:55 AM

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p.8 #6 · p.8 #6 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera

melcat wrote:
Just log the camera in to the wifi hotspot provided by your phone.

The mobile phone standards are too much of a moving target for a device with the projected life of a high-end camera. We're already hearing about 5G. The 4G frequencies changed and I had to get another phone.

Which explains why the concept will never reach its full potential. You will always bring your smartphone anyway, and on my smartphone my images from my real camera are just a couple of clicks away in any case. And I have photo editing software installed already, and a large high resolution display etc.

Sep 28, 2018 at 02:56 AM

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p.8 #7 · p.8 #7 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera

Fred Miranda wrote:
IMO, the ZX1's major downside is weight and size. Even the 50MP medium format Fuji 50R is only 690g and there is a pancake GF lens coming soon.
Only a superb 'alien IQ' 35mm lens and a down to earth price could save this camera.

It's Zeiss. The price won't be down to earth. The lens/camera will probably be amazing but the weight and price will be amazing too (in a bad way).

Sep 28, 2018 at 02:56 AM

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p.8 #8 · p.8 #8 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera

alundeb wrote:
You will always bring your smartphone anyway, and on my smartphone my images from my real camera are just a couple of clicks away in any case. And I have photo editing software installed already, and a large high resolution display etc.

It breaks the flow, though, to switch between devices. I imagine that one problem a lot of people new to "serious" cameras have is the idea that taking the photo and postprocessing it should happen at different times. If you use a hotspot, the phone can stay in your pocket and you don't need to even think about it; and if you don't, you could probably set the camera up to edit images and mark them for uploading when the camera next has connectivity.

(I do tend to have my phone switched off and packed away in the wilderness, so as not to flatten the battery when there's no signal anyway, so in those circumstances the phone isn't really available. Of course, this particular camera isn't one many people would choose for those subjects, nor one I would use.)

Another problem with the traditional camera makers' idea of how to do this, namely having the camera talk to an installed app on the phone, is that it probably talks a proprietary protocol and you are at the mercy of the camera maker to keep the app updated for new OS releases on the phone. I don't know how well they've done there, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are already cameras where the app no longer works on current iPhones because it was 32 bit.

With this camera you're dependent on Adobe keeping the supplied apps compatible with the protocol their cloud service talks and with the upload procedures on the supported social media sites.

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Sep 28, 2018 at 04:32 AM

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p.8 #9 · p.8 #9 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera

Maybe it's just a concept for Zeiss to test the response of something like this, and they aren't really making it yet.

Sep 28, 2018 at 04:32 AM

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p.8 #10 · p.8 #10 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera

At least I am glad someone is trying to innovate. Will it succeed? Who knows, but maybe someone else will pick up some ideas and improve it in another camera etc.

SD cards are basically floppy disks... god knows why we still have to use crap like that. Let alone two of them.

I want my files to automatically be on my computer when I get home, this looks like it might make it happen.

Complaining about a company trying to innovate is like laughing at a fat guy at the gym, it might look funny, but there is strength in them doing it anyway.

With that said, I think it will be too expensive...

Sep 28, 2018 at 05:20 AM

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p.8 #11 · p.8 #11 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera

With more than 5 saying they will buy it, in the poll, I am sure Zeiss are going in to production.

stevesanacore wrote:
Maybe it's just a concept for Zeiss to test the response of something like this, and they aren't really making it yet.

Sep 28, 2018 at 05:36 AM

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p.8 #12 · p.8 #12 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera

ZhanMing12 wrote:
- Zeiss
- 512Gb internal flash storage and a full frame sensor
- down to earth pricing

Pick 2

Zeiss says ther’s no memory slots. So forget about cf, sd etc memories.

Sep 28, 2018 at 05:38 AM

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p.8 #13 · p.8 #13 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera

klasGelinder wrote:
At least I am glad someone is trying to innovate. Will it succeed? Who knows, but maybe someone else will pick up some ideas and improve it in another camera etc.

SD cards are basically floppy disks... god knows why we still have to use crap like that. Let alone two of them.

I want my files to automatically be on my computer when I get home, this looks like it might make it happen.

Complaining about a company trying to innovate is like laughing at a fat guy at the gym, it might look funny, but there is strength in them doing...Show more →

Agree. Zeiss is making a bold move here with the ZX1. The funny thing is what Zeiss have done is "just" to catch up with what millions of mobile phone camera users have been enjoying for a few years now. In concept ( operational perfromance/practicality TBD) now Zeiss gives us the wildly successful mobile phone camera/photo workflow and instant distritbution process in a dedicated probably pro-level camera with a FF sensor.

Interesting to read some of the comments in this forum so far from a distinct group of photographers that took the leap from 1990's DSLR technology to Sony mirrorless which if we all remember at the time WAS the leading and most innovative camera system with heaven forbid in-camera APPS and wifi ! Wasn't too long ago I heard very similar grumbling about Sony mirrorless. "Ugly, only for rich kids and hipsters, too big/ too small, not a real camera, how do you focus that thing, the lens is gigantic, doesn't look like my old favorite camera" etc etc.

Sep 28, 2018 at 05:53 AM

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p.8 #14 · p.8 #14 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera

Only 3 fps! Wonder what the buffer is like?

Sep 28, 2018 at 06:19 AM

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p.8 #15 · p.8 #15 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera

LBJ2 wrote:
Agree. Zeiss is making a bold move here with the ZX1. The funny thing is what Zeiss have done is "just" to catch up with what millions of mobile phone camera users have been enjoying for a few years now. In concept ( operational perfromance/practicality TBD) now Zeiss gives us the wildly successful mobile phone camera/photo workflow and instant distritbution process in a dedicated probably pro-level camera with a FF sensor.

Interesting to read some of the comments in this forum so far from a distinct group of photographers that took the leap from 1990's DSLR technology to Sony mirrorless...Show more →

Just like when Otus series lenses came out they bashed it almost everyday.... it’s huge, expensive, bad design, only for the rich, heavy, don’t like futuristic dsesign, cosmetics is not like my old classic lens ........but no one complained about The IQ...

Sep 28, 2018 at 06:29 AM

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p.8 #16 · p.8 #16 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera

The way some people are talking about it being the way forward and seeing the end of antiquated SD cards, wanting to see the pics on their computer when they get home etc. etc.

Well those are not only first world issues but have no relevance to the increasing accessible real world of mountains, travel and remote locations. Let's see you try using a camera based on the cloud in those situations.

To say nothing about the often extremely poor, total lack of, connections in 3rd, and even some 2nd, world countries.

Sep 28, 2018 at 06:30 AM

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p.8 #17 · p.8 #17 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera

Frogfish wrote:
Well those are not only first world issues but have no relevance to the increasing accessible real world of mountains, travel and remote locations. Let's see you try using a camera based on the cloud in those situations.

To say nothing about the often extremely poor, total lack of, connections in 3rd, and even some 2nd, world countries.

The camera has 512GB of flash memory, which is enough for most such trips (6,800 raws). For those it isn't, chuck in a USB drive and periodically move the images onto that. Presumably the camera has such a copy-folder function.

I do a lot of wilderness photography and my storage strategy has always been to put a large card into the camera and leave it there for the trip. That's because the single biggest risk is physical damage or loss of the card when handling it.

Sep 28, 2018 at 07:05 AM

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p.8 #18 · p.8 #18 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera

Frogfish wrote:
The way some people are talking about it being the way forward and seeing the end of antiquated SD cards, wanting to see the pics on their computer when they get home etc. etc.

Well those are not only first world issues but have no relevance to the increasing accessible real world of mountains, travel and remote locations. Let's see you try using a camera based on the cloud in those situations.

To say nothing about the often extremely poor, total lack of, connections in 3rd, and even some 2nd, world countries.

Right tool for the job. Mobile phone photographers experience exactly the same in similar circumstances.

If I were to bring along something like the ZX1 to the scenario you describe I don' think the camera would stop working altogether. I'd probably bring along a bluetooth drive for backups or like I used to do with my one-slot cameras backup to my laptop as soon as I could.

Regardless, I still need to see how the ZX1 performs and if it has enough internal processing power to push all this data around to begin with.

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Sep 28, 2018 at 07:21 AM

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p.8 #19 · p.8 #19 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera

Fred Miranda wrote:
How to select focus? Touchscreen only?
Why select focus when you can use center and recompose

Sep 28, 2018 at 07:23 AM

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p.8 #20 · p.8 #20 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera

SoundHound wrote:
Only 3 fps! Wonder what the buffer is like?

I have the same question as soon as I saw that 3 FPS spec.

Sep 28, 2018 at 07:23 AM

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