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Archive 2018 · Travel and only bring iPhone. Fulfilling? (please note edit in #1)

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Get a Leica, solve the weight and no iPhone will ever come close to the image produce by this camera.

I prefer Leica Q as a travel camera if you don't need interchangeable lens camera.

Jul 08, 2018 at 07:05 AM

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$4400 seems a little steep for a "travel camera".....

Jul 08, 2018 at 08:16 AM

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I don't think a camera with a fixed wide angle focal length lens really solves the travel problem. This is what I ended up with when I took such a beast (the Sony RX1) on a day and a half to Sydney:

Sydney Harbour Bridge by Frank Ernens, on Flickr

I think this shot would have been impossible with an iPhone because of the dynamic range required—it is pushing the limits of the Sony full frame sensor, and I had to use DxO's magic to get even this. I did find a way to represent with 35mm what I really wanted 16mm for, complete with showing pedestrians and some of the bridge's surroundings, but it's a kind of arid, intellectual solution to the puzzle; this image is rightly not one of my more popular ones. To top it off, I actually missed the moment: there was also a cyclist on the bridge but due to this camera's poor responsiveness I was slightly too late and their shadow disappeared out of frame.

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Jul 08, 2018 at 09:17 AM

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p.3 #4 · p.3 #4 · Travel and only bring iPhone. Fulfilling? (please note edit in #1)

I would vote for a Leica.
I am looking at several Leica to fit the same use model: vacation -fun camera that is smaller than my DSLR.

I can give to my wife and while still having the ability for me to play when I want to.

Jul 08, 2018 at 09:24 AM

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p.3 #5 · p.3 #5 · Travel and only bring iPhone. Fulfilling? (please note edit in #1)

John Power wrote:
$4400 seems a little steep for a "travel camera".....

It is but you can always get used one, which goes around $3k. But Leica is not for everyone, especially budget wise it's one of the most expensive system out there. I've travelled light with mirrorless system before and using Fuji/Olympus. I love the images produced but once I tried Leica, even with the Q which is compact fixed lens, it's images is beyond what I expected.

Jul 08, 2018 at 09:56 AM

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p.3 #6 · p.3 #6 · Travel and only bring iPhone. Fulfilling? (please note edit in #1)

Thank you for your suggestions. though I think the IQ of what you mention would be quite acceptable for me, the reach is the problem. I purchased the 100-400 w/ 1.4x especially to have 560mm reach on travels. that is the main issue I have with a compact camera.

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When I was backpacking around Europe in the eighties I left my Leica at home at brought a Rollie 35T instead, and when I was robbed of that one in Morocco I replaced it with a Minox 35GT... No regrets the pictures was near Leica quality. Now, the EOS M with the 22/2.0 doubles as a compact for me, but I have a series of lightweight lenses to it that I bring ad lib mostly the Samyang 12/2.0 and the FD(not n) 50/1.8. The Sony RX100 series is often well spoken of if you want a compact. I have an...Show more →

Jul 08, 2018 at 10:04 AM

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p.3 #7 · p.3 #7 · Travel and only bring iPhone. Fulfilling? (please note edit in #1)

My wife and I have travelled on trips of varying duration (weekend to two months+)
to over 100 countries and million+ miles on North American road trips in the last
25 years.

Criteria for equipment selection:

1) how exotic and/or culturally enriched is destination?
week-long warmup trip to Cancun. bring light walkaround
Canon 5D3/50 mm 1.8. Great Wall of China? bring the arsenal.

2) distance travelled? once-in-a-lifetime? 5 weeks in India on
a guided tour. bring the works.

3) type of travel? cruises and tours provide greater ease and
security enabling more equipment. independent travel (we're elderly
and easy mark for muggers) bring what fits in non-descript backpack.
always dress down. do not exhibit affluence.

4) number of family members accompanying. one alternative I use is to loan
each person their choice of camera/lens combo. (I keep old equipment
so resale value is usually low)

We're retired 20+ years now and slowing down now so looking at pix is a
great joy and explains how we spent our money.

I don't understand Fredmiranda members who are photography enthusiasts who
decide to take point and shoot and cell phone cameras only on substantial
trips. Yeah, it's work bringing the arsenal. But worthwhile considering
the cost, time, and energy devoted to the trip. One must accept that
travel has a masochistic element. You suffer to enjoy.

Jul 08, 2018 at 11:13 AM

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maxx9photo wrote:
It is but you can always get used one, which goes around $3k. But Leica is not for everyone, especially budget wise it's one of the most expensive system out there. I've travelled light with mirrorless system before and using Fuji/Olympus. I love the images produced but once I tried Leica, even with the Q which is compact fixed lens, it's images is beyond what I expected.

I am currently looking at a $5000 guitar (the Lowden S25J Jazz model) so I guess I don't have a lot of room to talk about spending a lot of money for a hobby

Jul 09, 2018 at 06:53 AM

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p.3 #9 · p.3 #9 · Travel and only bring iPhone. Fulfilling? (please note edit in #1)

It sounds like OP and many of us are coming at this from different directions of a sort.

I could never rely on a phone except, as Chez mentioned, to document things I want to remember (foreign sim card number, email addresses I don't have time to input right away, time tables).

But I also wouldn't lug a 100-400 anywhere unless it was for a very specific reason, like when I went to South Africa to photograph rhinos.

On the other hand, and I know OP doesn't want to acquire anything (and doing so may not help for FL reasons)-- having something like Canon M + 22mm, or Fuji X100(x), or Sony RX1(X), etc with a single normal-wide lens (28, 35, 50) would be the perfect match of non-photo trip + bringing a camera to capture what I experience.

Jul 11, 2018 at 03:43 AM

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If there were a 500mm eq. option for the well praised Sony RX series (or the like) I would consider it. Still, I have used SLR bodies since when I was 16 (am 48 now) and don't know any other concept for shooting wildlife. I am used to looking through a viewfinder and I hate fiddling with live view, especially when I need to find my subjects in a very small frame. My strong diopter for close reading makes it awkward to go from looking at the LV screen to viewing over the camera to the scene. Going from diopter adapted VF to scene is way more convenient.

Jul 11, 2018 at 06:36 AM

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p.3 #11 · p.3 #11 · Travel and only bring iPhone. Fulfilling? (please note edit in #1)

I think an SL1 or SL2 matched with your 24-70 would make a nice small combo.

Jul 11, 2018 at 06:59 AM

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rabbitmountain wrote:
If there were a 500mm eq. option for the well praised Sony RX series (or the like) I would consider it

There is! The RX 10 Mk VI goes to 600mm equivalent. Sony released this in response to a Panasonic camera that's had such a lens for a while.

However, according to an online review I've seen Sony have not solved with the Mk VI the problem that has driven me mad with the original RX10 (which only goes to 200mm equivalent). That is, the zooming is electronic, and slow, and by the time it's at the desired focal length the moment has long gone. It's compounded by the fact that the camera insists on parking at 24mm when you power it down, which you really want to do between shots both in order not to run the battery down and because the ring on the lens is easy to knock.

I've both praised and dumped on my RX10 here before. I think the lens is overrated. And, just for chuckles, the zoom ring turns the opposite way from Canon, and, despite it being zoom-by-wire and the camera having 27,000 nightmarish menu options, there isn't one for that.

I'll repeat what I said above: I think with only weeks to go it's too late to buy, learn to use, and test major new camera gear for this trip.

Jul 11, 2018 at 07:16 AM

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Well I think I'm pretty much decided on what to bring. But first a big thank you from the heart for all your information and for sharing your own experiences. FM is still a great place!

So I decided to shoot a lot with my iPhone, but still bring the dSLR with 100-400ii + 1.4xiii and one short zoom. I'm still deciding between 16-35/4IS and 24-70/4IS. This way I can leave the big monster in the bag most of the time and shoot family stuff, selfies, and so on. As soon as I see a scene worth taking out the dSLR I will do so. I made a backpack adjustment so that I can unzip and grab the camera + 100-400 lens.
Alternatively, in areas with lots of interest, I can hang the camera with short zoom around my neck.

I practised with Halide RAW capture. The latitude in the RAW files compared to my 5D4 is poor but compared to JPEGs from the phone it is considerable. For high contrast scenes the iOS HDR functionality always saves more blown highlights, but lots of times it also changes the highlight colours to a mushy strange hue, mostly unicolor or so it seems.

It's the latest iPhone camera (8 plus) and when the scene is not too contrasty the images are actually very very good and usable in an album, as long as i don't crop deeply. I know for sure that at web size there will be no way for you to pick the one over the other.

One of the big pluses of RAW workflow with the iPhone is that it's possible to reduce the aggressive sharpening done in the in-camera JPEG engine. Especially when cropping it's easy to see the halos and with RAW the picture is much nicer and much easier to blow up.

How often I will use iPhone vs dSLR remains to be seen. Also, I wonder how much range I really turn out to need. Will I reach for the 1.4x often? Or will I even use the 100-400 a lot? My original plan was to shoot most images with dSLR so I may end up towards that end. I will report back if anyone is interested.

Thanks,
Ralph

Jul 12, 2018 at 09:03 AM

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melcat wrote:
There is! The RX 10 Mk VI goes to 600mm equivalent. Sony released this in response to a Panasonic camera that's had such a lens for a while.

However, according to an online review I've seen Sony have not solved with the Mk VI the problem that has driven me mad with the original RX10 (which only goes to 200mm equivalent). That is, the zooming is electronic, and slow, and by the time it's at the desired focal length the moment has long gone. It's compounded by the fact that the camera insists on parking at 24mm when you power it...Show more →

The OP could stick to his iPhone and get near 600mm anyways with this ?quality? ad on lense adapter:

https://www.amazon.com/Retina-Lens-Turbocharge-Telephoto-Smartphones/dp/B078PHJKZP/ref=sr_1_9/132-3662455-7499439?ie=UTF8&qid=1531414961&sr=8-9&keywords=iphone+lens+adapter

Fred should, BTW make a parser script so that he get the bonuses from links like the one above! :-))

Jul 12, 2018 at 12:14 PM

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If you're averse to carrying a full kit just limit yourself to - say - the 16-35/4 IS and a good modern 70-300, is this possible?

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Jul 14, 2018 at 10:56 AM

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Hello all,

We've just returned home from down under. Eventually I took the iPhone 8 plus, the 5D4 + 100-400ii + 1.4xiii + 24-70/4IS. Stats:
iPhone: 3168 files, of which 998 RAWs (DNG), 1734 JPEGs, 34 PNGs and 402 videos
5D4: 3594 files, 3542 RAWs and 48 videos

I missed my 16-35 a bit at some point but I really liked having my 24-70 at the pinnacles:
- 24-70: 581
- 100-400ii bare: 1892
- 100-400ii w/ 1.4xiii: 1023

I must say that once in the Kimberly region I did not dare change lenses anymore, so my 100-400ii was glued to the body until now. This of course due to the dust.

So far I quite like the iPhone 8 plus RAW files. shot all with Halide. Will put up some samples sometime in the next few days.

For now thanks for your input and se you later

Ralph

Aug 23, 2018 at 01:02 PM

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I do not like to combine the roles of camera and phone. One big reason is tactical. Too many mobile phones are targeted by thieves and robbers. One reason I know this is because I worked big-city police patrol for almost 34 years. I took many reports of missing mobile phones. I viewed plenty of “security” camera video, showing phones being targeted and stolen. Another reason I know this is because my son was pick-pocketed in the Mexico City subway system. Not only did communication abruptly cease, but all of the trip’s photos disappeared.

A second reason is battery power. One device may do many things quite well, but that means one battery is having to feed so many activities.

A third reason is ergonomics. (I realize this is a very personal factor, affecting different folks in different ways.) Photographing with a phone, or a too-small camera, aggravates some of my aging joints. Using a viewfinder, whether OVF or EVF, with the camera held close to me, is more comfortable.

A fourth reason is stability. A camera held close to me, especially with my eyebrow area, or other part of my face, providing a third point of contact, is more stable.

I have two iPhone Pluses, the 7, if I recall correctly, and these are, at least, my second generation of Pluses, so am no Luddite, but when one or the other of these iPhones starts reaching end-of-life, I am going to consider less-“smart” alternatives.

Aug 23, 2018 at 03:14 PM

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My feeling is that the regret of leaving your DSLR kit at home and wishing you had it would be worse than the regret of bringing the kit but not using it. I'm not suggesting that you bring every piece of gear you own "just in case", but rather a well thought out kit that will cover most situations without breaking your back in the airport. A smaller day bag to carry whatever you decide to bring with you that day can be packed inside your suitcase and filled with clothes; I tend to pack underwear and socks in mine so there's no need to worry about wrinkles.

From there, you're set. You can decide each day (or each time you head out from the hotel) whether to just take your phone with you or if you want to carry more gear. Having a decent point & shoot can help bridge the gap while remaining lightweight. I have the Powershot S95, which is at least 12 years old now, but can be shot RAW in Av, Tv, or M (in addition to the other consumer modes) and gives ISO control. I haven't replaced it with something newer because I don't use it often enough to justify $350 for the modern equivalent model, but it fits in a pocket, has good battery life, and sometimes is more convenient than a DSLR rig yet better than a phone.

Aug 23, 2018 at 05:10 PM

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RexGig0 wrote:
I do not like to combine the roles of camera and phone. One big reason is tactical. Too many mobile phones are targeted by thieves and robbers. One reason I know this is because I worked big-city police patrol for almost 34 years. I took many reports of missing mobile phones. I viewed plenty of “security” camera video, showing phones being targeted and stolen. Another reason I know this is because my son was pick-pocketed in the Mexico City subway system. Not only did communication abruptly cease, but all of the trip’s photos disappeared.

A second reason is battery power. One...Show more →

Hi Rex, thanks for your reply and to each his own of course. Your objections to phone use are very valid, but in safe areas, with power banks and ample light (all like we had in Australia) #1, #2 and #4 don't count as much for me. #3 I can relate to in a sense that I prefer viewfinders over back LCD screens for composition.

A fifth issue I have with the iPhone, now that I am working on my files, is that the Lightroom standard rendering of the DNG's produced by the iPhone 8 plus is very flat. Images need a ton of work to get them reasonably close to a comparison shot with my 5D4. I could of course use the jpegs until I encounter unrecoverable highs or lows, but I will still need to accept the aggressive sharpening used by Apple. Being able to use my own sharpening is one of the main reasons I shoot RAW with the iPhone.

More later

Aug 24, 2018 at 08:08 AM

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Moonshae wrote:
My feeling is that the regret of leaving your DSLR kit at home and wishing you had it would be worse than the regret of bringing the kit but not using it. I'm not suggesting that you bring every piece of gear you own "just in case", but rather a well thought out kit that will cover most situations without breaking your back in the airport. A smaller day bag to carry whatever you decide to bring with you that day can be packed inside your suitcase and filled with clothes; I tend to pack underwear and socks in mine...Show more →

Good points. When the dust got really bad I wished I had brought my 5DsR along and when I do so next time, I will leave the 24-70 at home and put the 16-35/4IS on the 5DsR, and then the 100-400ii on the 5D4. This way I can crop a little wherever 35mm is too wide and with the 5DsR I will still have reasonable reasonable resolution after cropping.

Still the iPhone images I shot in the wide range are very good. It also shoots great movie clips.

One thing I really "discovered" during my trip is using video with the 100-400ii. There were some nice scenes with wildlife way out of reach of the phone cam. I used the 5D4 in full HD mode @400mm and made some nice clips to remember the whales and how they moved, the little crabs on the rocks and how they walked sideways and such. Will certainly be doing more of those on my next trip.

Aug 24, 2018 at 08:14 AM

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