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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Botswana: D810 and D7100, or get D500 instead of D7100


I'm heading to Botswana this summer for safari.
I own a Nikon D810 and a D7100. Was planning to bring a Nikon 70-200mm/2.8 and probably rent a 200-400mm/f4or a 200-500mm/f5.6

I know there are lots of posts about which lens combinations to bring, so won't ask for input (though happy to hear any thoughts folks might have).

My main question is this: these safaris are obviously "once in a lifetime" types of trips for many of us. Anyone have thoughts as to whether I should buy or rent a D500 to pair with my D810, instead of bringing my D7100 to pair with my D810?

Thanks, in advance...



May 27, 2018 at 08:13 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Botswana: D810 and D7100, or get D500 instead of D7100


Renting a lens is fine yet renting a body can lead to control confusion and you would need to rent for quite a while to get used to it. As you stated this is a one time opportunity.

Morris



May 27, 2018 at 08:21 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Botswana: D810 and D7100, or get D500 instead of D7100


Thanks Morris... I had the luck of going to Kenya 5 years ago, so this is technically a "twice in a lifetime" opportunity. Haha!! But your points about renting lenses vs body makes good sense. Am I interpreting your message correctly - that you favor getting a D500 (for the image quality, fps, low light capabilities, buffer, etc) rather than using my D7100 as the second body for the trip?


May 27, 2018 at 08:39 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Botswana: D810 and D7100, or get D500 instead of D7100


You might want to buy a used body, use it in Africa, and sell it when you get back. That could easily wind up being cheaper than renting and would give you time to get used to the body ~ Ron


May 28, 2018 at 02:20 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Botswana: D810 and D7100, or get D500 instead of D7100


Thanks Surfnron!


Jun 09, 2018 at 05:10 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Botswana: D810 and D7100, or get D500 instead of D7100


Hi guys,

So, after reading about all of the weight restrictions, I had a change of heart about getting something like the Nikkor 200-400mm. I was advised by someone to get the Nikkor 80-400mm f4-5.6 G ED VR (the newer 80-400mm) given that it is lighter than the 200-400mm or 200-500mm and has a more "versatile" zoom range. After reading mostly positive reviews, I purchased a used 80-400mm from a popular online company. I've now had a few days to use it, and can't say i'm super pleased. I've been using it hand held with the VR on D810, and most of my RAW images with limited basic PP in Lightroom still lack a lot in detail, clarity, and sharpness. Even after more PP in LR, I can't say the images are stellar. So, now i'm wondering if it's just the copy (maybe that's why someone sold it back to the online company). Does anyone have any thoughts?

Now i'm toying with the idea of returning the 80-400mm and instead traveling safari with this combo, which might have less flexibility but perhaps more sharpness, detail, etc:

Nikon 300mm f/4E PF ED VR Lens (+/- TC-14 or TC-20)
Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8
Nikon D810
Nikon D7100

Sorry to ask so many questions, but I appreciate all of thoughts/comments!

ps- still undecided about buying a D500 in lieu of bringing my D7100, though my main question above is about the lens combinations (i.e., returning the 80-400mm and trying a different copy of the same lens versus getting a 300mm f/4E PF ED VR instead and just using the 70-200mm on my second body when subjects are too close for the 300mm f/4)


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Jun 18, 2018 at 10:13 PM
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1. I would stay with the 810/7100 combo you own. I have a 500 and the main thing it offers is a deeper (by far) buffer and faster shooting. Neither are critical. I made two trips to ZA with that combo and was never unhappy with the results. The 500 is not significantly (maybe a full stop) better in low light, in fact I have my auto ISO set to max out at 800 on it, and I was at 640 on the 7100.......but I also tend to print above 13x19 and crop a lot. Others may have different experience.

2. I have used the new 80-400 since it came out and have been very happy with it from 80-300 and at ranges below 150 feet. Above that I find it still acceptably sharp when used on the 810. Back in February I shot snowy owls in Ontario with it........over my much newer and marginally sharper 200-500. The single issue there was you cannot zoom the bigger lens from 200 to 500 with a single hand movement, which you can do with the 80-400. If slower zoom action is ok with you, then take the 200-500 with you. If not, exchange it (probably should anyway since you are not happy with it) or return it for credit.

3. Although you have been there before, it may not have been in either the wet or dry seasons. I learned on my first two photo trips to NEVER, EVER change lenses while in the vehicle, only in the tent. For that reason alone I would not take the 300mm with teleconverters as the tendency to switch back and forth will start ruling you mentally when you should be locked in on composing and making the next shot.

4. FYI, Last year I carried the following kit to Kenya and Tanzania and will do so in next year's trips to Botswana and ZA:

prime 1.... D810.
prime 2.... D500. (my recommendation to you is the D7100 if you only take two bodies as you
already familiar with it and it uses the SD cards as does the 810).
backup 1....D7100. Had it, happy with IQ and overall performance, not gonna replace it.
Sigma 24-105 on the D500.
Nikon 200-500 on the D810.
Nikon 70-200 with 1.4 and 1.7 converters as a backup lens.
Nikon SB-800 flash with Mag Mod wildlife extender. (used it almost every evening).

5. I used the 200-500 for almost everything (same was true for the 80-400 when I took it). Never needed the backup system, but I prefer to have it.

6. I handled weight restrictions by having a think tank 50 urban disguise and a think tank airport commuter backpack. Put everything possible in the AC unit. Its small enough to just wear it and no-one thinks it is a camera system. Put one complete system (in my case the 810 and 200-500) in the UD and carry it as a briefcase. It will have plenty of room for a small laptop and some personal items.

So I would keep the bodies you have, either exchange the 80-400 for a different one(and if better take it) or turn it in for credit on the 200-500. Take your 70-200 and converters as a backup. Add a moderate zoom/wide angle for close work and landscape and people work. Definately take a flash.

Hope this helps.



Jun 18, 2018 at 11:29 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Botswana: D810 and D7100, or get D500 instead of D7100


Genes Home,

First and foremost, thank you very much! Greatly appreciated! I am strongly incorporating your suggestions into my thought processes. Your response resulted in the following thoughts, in no particular order:

1. Plan to stick with D810 and D7100, as you suggested.

2. Will return the 80-400mm and try a different copy...

3. When I was in Africa last time in Kenya, it was a dedicated photo safari and the organizers purchased extra seats so the group of photographers could bring some extra weight in gear. This trip to Botswana is not with a dedicated group of photographers, so we won't have that option. And I hear the internal bush flights in-country in Botswana are much more "strict" about the weight limits. My concerns about bringing the 200-500 (should I have issues with the different 80-400mm copy) is the weight.
3a. I was also given the impression that unlike Kenya, the game drive vehicles we will be on in Botswana will not have bars to support beanbags nor really opportunities for mounting with gimbals, etc. So I was strongly advised to bring lenses that can be hand-held. Not sure if you (or anyone) have thoughts about this...

4. Regarding bags: I have a think tank urban disguise somewhere (need to check which one). Are you saying that the airlines let you carry on both the AC and UD as your personal item and carry on? My concern with this setup is two-fold. First, i'm still worried about the info I received about the more local flight within Africa - someone said they will be strict about only allowing a single carry on item that meets the weight limit... I own a Gura Gear Bataflae 32 (which served me well in Kenya) and an F-stop Loka UL. I was thinking of using one of these, and trying to stuff gear in a vest or jacket that i'd wear on board. Am I worrying too much about them forcing me to check gear if I try to board with 2 bags?

5. If you carried on the UD and the AC (neither of which rolls/wheels), how did you carry a third bag with you clothing/toiletries/etc? Or did you fit EVERYTHING in these two bags??

6. Flash: when I was in Kenya, they asked us not to use a flash, stating something about it hurting the animals eyes/visual abilities and changed their behaviors. Did you not get any negative criticism about using flash?

Thanks, in advance!



Jun 19, 2018 at 10:37 PM
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Hi,

1. There is only about 1.8 pounds difference between the 200-500 and the 80-400. The biggest issue is the fact that the 200-500 is so much larger. Honestly, though, if you have a copy of the 80-400 you are happy with, use it. I shot for 3 years/trips here and in Africa with the new version and have happily printed up to 3x4 feet off my D810 shots.

2. I can't talk about flights in Botswana as I don't get there till next year, but in general the in country flights are pretty strict on weight (more below). Talk to your outfitter/trip arranger on this issue and go with his guidance.

3. In South Africa the common vehicles are completely open (love it!) with no side rails. I typically shoot handheld (like everyone else) but always have a small Manfrotto monopod in my clothing duffle. Having my main camera on it is practical only if you are the only person on that seat row, but man does it ever make a difference in sharpness when you look at your images back home. In Masai Mara in Kenya our outfitter had specifically arranged for open-side vehicles where the monopod, as far as I am concerned, was a life saver for photography (and really helpful with video). In your case I would try to pick out a lightweight travel type monopod that will fit in your duffle, and just have it in the vehicle for your main camera/lens. Then use it whenever you can.

4. I have yet to have an issue with using the UD50 as a briefcase "personal item" and the AC as my "carry on" bag. Both are actually pretty small compared to the normal giant things you see on most overseas flights. The AC is specifically designed to go under the seat or in the (very small) overhead space on the US and Canadian commuter jets and the UD50 slides under the seat with ease. In ZA and Kenya and Tanzania I did have to gate check the AC with my duffle but was allowed the UD50 as a carry on. Again, this is constantly changing and you need to check with your outfitter ahead of time. A couple years ago we had a video crew with us in ZA and the ZA Air-Link staff was getting snotty about the extra bags and weight till the lead cameraman pulled out his credit card and said "how much." Then all was goodness and light. At the little commuter airport in Nairobi the desk agent counted the number of people and started weighing bags, then called the last couple people up to the counter and told them the plane was overweight and their luggage would have to fly on a later plane. Our outfitter had a conversation with the agent and somehow (actually, about $70.00 USD later) all the luggage got magically loaded. Not sure what the pilots thought about it, or if they even knew. I have a smallish soft duffle I use for my checked bag and it (with clothes and spare camera gear like chargers and such) rarely comes in over 28 pounds.

5. I have never had any issues with using flash after sunset / before sunrise anywhere I have been. I do talk to the driver ahead of time though, so it won't be a surprise. I generally explain that all I can expect to get at any position, especially with birds, is three flashes so if everyone is happy with the sighting after I have fired three shots he can proceed down the track without further delay. So far every time the drivers on all my trips have been very accommodating with positioning the vehicles for flash work.

6. I am never shy about politely asking for the driver to move to a better position for composition and lighting, especially if everyone else in the vehicle is just "along for the ride." Also, if I think I got a really good or exceptional shot on the day's drive I privately tip the driver a few extra bucks that evening.............that's over and above the tip they get at the end of the week. That and learning names works wonders.



Jun 20, 2018 at 09:21 AM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Botswana: D810 and D7100, or get D500 instead of D7100


The weak point of the D810 is its autofocus performance. The D7200 was quite a bit better and I passed on the D7100. The D500 uses the same batteries as the D810 and both can use SD cards which is very convenient when traveling.

The D500 is fast with its 10fps shooting capabilities and much improved autofocus. Shooting fast moving subject the Group and 3D modes actually work which was not the case with my D750.

That said I would rent a D850 for your trip and take the D7100 as a backup. The D850 is great in FX and DX mode (in DX provides a 19MP file close to the IQ or D500). I got a great deal when I rented a D5 for a week from lensrentals.com. I paid $365 for 7 days and it included insurance and shipping.

There are decided advantages to having a FX camera that is effective in DX mode. I shoot with the 200-500mm on the D500 and there were many times where 200mm was too long with its angle of view that is like a 300mm on a FX camera. Now I get 200mm in FX up to 750mm in DX mode with the D850 and this is extremely advantageous.




Jun 20, 2018 at 07:17 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Botswana: D810 and D7100, or get D500 instead of D7100



@ Genes Home: excellent input, gave me much to think about. Thanks! Wasn't going to bring a monopod but will reconsider... I had consider trying the Leica table top tripod solution for handholding mentioned in this Ron Martinsen post/video (http://www.ronmartblog.com/) Any experience with this?

@ Elkhornsun: thanks to you as well. I hadn't previously read much about the D850 but I did after your post. It looks like an amazing beast of a camera, and now I have upgraditis! hahahah!



Jun 21, 2018 at 07:42 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Botswana: D810 and D7100, or get D500 instead of D7100


Hi,

Can't say much about the table top tripod solution as I don't have anything similar / haven't tried anything like it.



Jun 22, 2018 at 10:09 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Botswana: D810 and D7100, or get D500 instead of D7100


I am going to Botswana in Dec and am already working on my gear. I'm taking my 6 yr old D800 and have just purchased a used 200-400 VRII. I'm looking for a used 70-200 VRII and am also looking for a D850. So same strategy, ie, two bodies and two zoom lenses. The leader also recommends a 24 1.4 or something similar for low light close-ups


Jun 25, 2018 at 09:12 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Botswana: D810 and D7100, or get D500 instead of D7100


@ Genes Home: Thanks!

@ dasams: good luck finding a D850. I hear they are very difficult to impossible to find (new) due to backorders! The 200-400 VRII is supposedly a great lens, but how are you going to handle the weight restrictions i've heard about in/around Botswana? Also, I've not heard anyone recommend a 24 mm 1.4 (or similar for safari). Maybe for landscapes? Otherwise, how "close" will animals be?





Jun 27, 2018 at 08:15 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Botswana: D810 and D7100, or get D500 instead of D7100


jlt3b: With nearly 6 months before my trip, I should be able to land a D850 As for weight, I plan to carry my camera bag on the plane but if it has to go below, so be it. And our leader, Andy Biggs, recommended the 24 1.4 for low light early morning and late evening shots of the local critters. I think we're going to be really close to them


Jun 27, 2018 at 10:45 PM





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