Home · Register · Join Upload & Sell

Moderated by: Fred Miranda

New fredmiranda.com Mobile Site

New Feature: SMS Notification alert

New Feature: Buy & Sell Watchlist

FM Forums | Sony Forum | Join Upload & Sell

3 4 end

Archive 2018 · Sony 24-105 is creating a problem

nandadevieast
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · Sony 24-105 is creating a problem

Great lens !

Edited on Nov 30, 2021 at 09:41 AM · View previous versions

Jan 20, 2018 at 07:51 AM

chez
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · Sony 24-105 is creating a problem

Fred Miranda wrote:
It's a different experience shooting with primes. Sometimes, you don't have the right focal length for a specific scene and before changing lenses, you may try different angles and unique compositions. Something that perhaps wouldn't happen if you had the speed of changing focal lengths by turning the zoom ring.

I also view the scene in front of me differently when I have a prime versus a zoom. If I have a 25mm on my camera, I'm searching the scene with a 25mm FOV and use my feet to achieve different images. With the zoom I tend to search the scene with different focal ranges, many times missing opportunities because I'm too busy changing focal ranges.

Zooms are great where you can't physically move to getting a different angle on an image. For me, primes are faster and lighter and force me to view the world through one FOV, which for me gets me into a zone when shooting.

Jan 20, 2018 at 08:18 AM

sandycrane
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · Sony 24-105 is creating a problem

I notice that whenever I take trips my composition is better if I'm shooting with a zoom. Discounting the time I spend swapping lenses, I avoid that "one step forwards/ two steps back" thing I'm always doing with primes. With the zoom I get the precise framing I want without the hassle.
Up until now I've leaned towards primes because of the raw (not RAW) IQ. I'm hoping the new Sony will relieve that consideration.

Jan 20, 2018 at 09:40 AM

GMPhotography
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On

p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · Sony 24-105 is creating a problem

Zooms can be very helpful in many situations that come at you. If your doing event type work or even street they can be very useful. But I shot primes for decades too and you get used to moving about. This really comes down to experience too. I can see a scene and pick what lens I need in a instant and switch lenses to get what I want. Honestly I think it’s more about comfort level and more importantly the ability to see a scene and knowing what you need. I get caught sometimes with a zoom and whatever focal length I left it at I still move myself to get what I want and forget I have a zoom on. It really depends on you and your ability to see a scene and make decisions. I do like primes more no question about it but a zoom can be a great working tool at times.

Jan 20, 2018 at 09:51 AM

chez
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Sony 24-105 is creating a problem

GMPhotography wrote:
Zooms can be very helpful in many situations that come at you. If your doing event type work or even street they can be very useful. But I shot primes for decades too and you get used to moving about. This really comes down to experience too. I can see a scene and pick what lens I need in a instant and switch lenses to get what I want. Honestly I think it’s more about comfort level and more importantly the ability to see a scene and knowing what you need. I get caught sometimes with a zoom and whatever...Show more →

I even go further with a prime. When I have say a 25mm prime on my camera, I go about looking for images for that focal length and don't spend any time or energy looking at different focal lengths. Then later I might put an 85mm prime on and look at the world through an 85mm lens. It just allows me to zone into a given focal length and see the world through that length.

I find with a zoom I spend a lot of time trying different focal lengths and don't really get into a zone, but rather continuously flip through the range in my mind.

I always cone back with better images when using primes...but that might be the way my brain works.

Jan 20, 2018 at 10:02 AM

Chris_88
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · Sony 24-105 is creating a problem

I much prefer the sunstars and flare resistance of the Loxias and CV lenses, but in situation where changing lenses is not an option, this looks like a solid one-lens solution from 24 through 75-85mm.

Jan 20, 2018 at 10:09 AM

snapsy
Offline
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On

p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · Sony 24-105 is creating a problem

chez wrote:
I even go further with a prime. When I have say a 25mm prime on my camera, I go about looking for images for that focal length and don't spend any time or energy looking at different focal lengths. Then later I might put an 85mm prime on and look at the world through an 85mm lens. It just allows me to zone into a given focal length and see the world through that length.

I find with a zoom I spend a lot of time trying different focal lengths and don't really get into a zone, but rather continuously...Show more →

I agree, different strokes for different folks. I shoot mostly landscapes, mostly in areas where moving around is not really an option so zooms are essential to getting the framing and perspective I want. I tried the self-imposed focal length trick but found alternate (and less restrictive) ways to impose discipline on my shooting.

Jan 20, 2018 at 10:11 AM

GMPhotography
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On

p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · Sony 24-105 is creating a problem

Well I just ordered one about 5 minutes ago. Lol

Be here Wednesday . I still have my best primes and there going nowhere

Jan 20, 2018 at 10:19 AM

nandadevieast
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · Sony 24-105 is creating a problem

Edited to perfection

Jan 20, 2018 at 10:49 AM

johnctharp
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · Sony 24-105 is creating a problem

chez wrote:
I always cone back with better images when using primes...but that might be the way my brain works.

nandadevieast wrote:
I have read it many times that zooms promote lazy framing. Not true.

I don't see 'lazy' here; and while I get what you're saying with respect to flexibility, I can relate to chez's perspective on using primes. Even when zooms will work just as well, I catch myself picking a prime and then observing subjects in that focal length.

Jan 20, 2018 at 10:53 AM

nandadevieast
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · Sony 24-105 is creating a problem

Sorry even though I quoted him, didn’t mean to reply rather add my comment.

johnctharp wrote:
I don't see 'lazy' here; and while I get what you're saying with respect to flexibility, I can relate to chez's perspective on using primes. Even when zooms will work just as well, I catch myself picking a prime and then observing subjects in that focal length.

Jan 20, 2018 at 11:08 AM

Michael Everet
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: On

p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · Sony 24-105 is creating a problem

chez wrote:
I also view the scene in front of me differently when I have a prime versus a zoom. If I have a 25mm on my camera, I'm searching the scene with a 25mm FOV and use my feet to achieve different images. With the zoom I tend to search the scene with different focal ranges, many times missing opportunities because I'm too busy changing focal ranges.

I don't know whether I see too much or I'm not sufficiently disciplined: When I have one prime on I often see something that's ideal for a different FL. Then I think, "I just missed a really good shot." That's one reason I like zooms; as a photographer take advantage of what's there.

Jan 20, 2018 at 11:20 AM

Jonathan Brady
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · Sony 24-105 is creating a problem

The only time I worry about missing a shot is when shooting a wedding or event. Otherwise, I think we all take enough shots to not worry the ones we miss.

Jan 20, 2018 at 11:42 AM

nekrosoft13
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · Sony 24-105 is creating a problem

ajamils wrote:
Wasn't planning on getting the 24-105 F4 as this point but eBay cashback and 24 month no interest financing from PayPal pushed me over

It makes sense to sell RX10 IV but it is just such a nice package that can shoot everything from landscapes to sports that it's difficult to give up.

eBay cash back?

Jan 20, 2018 at 03:50 PM

chez
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · Sony 24-105 is creating a problem

johnctharp wrote:
I don't see 'lazy' here; and while I get what you're saying with respect to flexibility, I can relate to chez's perspective on using primes. Even when zooms will work just as well, I catch myself picking a prime and then observing subjects in that focal length.

That's exactly it. I think its just a different way of seeing the world. Rather than looking at what's in front of you and zooming to achieve the image you want, with a prime I seek out the image which that prime will capture. If I have a wide angle 25mm or 21mm on my camera and am shooting street images, I'll look for close up environmental portraits which show off the person(s) within their environment. If I have a longer lens like an 85 or 135, then I'm looking for more of an isolated portrait image of maybe just the upper body or even just the head.

I do a lot of walking with primes to frame the images the way I see them.

Jan 20, 2018 at 04:07 PM

chez
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · Sony 24-105 is creating a problem

Jonathan Brady wrote:
The only time I worry about missing a shot is when shooting a wedding or event. Otherwise, I think we all take enough shots to not worry the ones we miss.

Exactly right. I worry about the ones I'm about to shoot...not the one's that got away.

Jan 20, 2018 at 04:08 PM

chez
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · Sony 24-105 is creating a problem

nandadevieast wrote:
Think about it, zooms let you find the “perfect composition for where you are standing”. Only 1 FL will work best from there, but you have all of them to find out without moving.

I don't buy this "perfect composition". And many times by the time you determine what FL you want to change to, the image is gone.

I will use zooms if I'm shooting from a situation where I cannot move...then their flexibility is valuable. But if I can move, I'd much rather shoot with a prime and zone into the FL that prime provides...I find I'm much more productive using this approach rather than trying to determine which FL to set the zoom to.

I guess everyone is different.

The other big benefit of a prime is they are lighter, faster and smaller...all providing advantages when out shooting for the day.

Jan 20, 2018 at 04:15 PM

umsl12
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · Sony 24-105 is creating a problem

The problem is that you didn't know that you actually didn't need any primes. If you do, a f4.0 zoom would never been able to replace a prime, IMHO :-).

Jan 20, 2018 at 10:05 PM

nandadevieast
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · Sony 24-105 is creating a problem

Edited to perfection

Edited on Aug 03, 2020 at 02:59 PM · View previous versions

Jan 21, 2018 at 02:53 AM

Mirror
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · Sony 24-105 is creating a problem

chez wrote:
The other big benefit of a prime is they are lighter, faster and smaller...all providing advantages when out shooting for the day.

Well, unfortunately my primes are heavier and larger (50mm 1.4 Sony Zeiss and 85mm 1.4 GM) Thought long about that zoom but at the end all f4 zooms I used so far generated no special rendering I get from 2.8 zooms and primes. The 24-105mm also overlaps too much with my 16-35mm GM. I decided to shoot rather with faster top glass specialists rather such slower soso zooms. Especially with cameras like the A7RIII...

Jan 21, 2018 at 07:14 AM

1 2 3 4 end
FM Forums \| Sony Forum \| Join Upload & Sell 1 2 3 4 end

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.