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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · Voigtlander Heliar 50mm f/3.5


GMPhotography wrote:
Is it a collapsible lens


The latest version is not. I will post a picture on the A7RIII.



Feb 02, 2019 at 02:00 PM
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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · Voigtlander Heliar 50mm f/3.5


Here it is:

(I'm wondering how this tiny lens does against the mighty 50/1.4 ZA)




CV 50/3.5 Heliar (latest model: IV) - non-collapsible. The adapter actually matches the lens aesthetic design. :)




Feb 02, 2019 at 02:07 PM
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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · Voigtlander Heliar 50mm f/3.5


Maybe itís the better landscape than the 40 is what I was thinking


Feb 02, 2019 at 02:20 PM
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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · Voigtlander Heliar 50mm f/3.5


GMPhotography wrote:
Maybe itís the better landscape than the 40 is what I was thinking


I can find out once the rains stops here. It looks slightly sharper than the 40/1.2 at center and clear of astigmatism towards the corners. I think the CV 40/1.2 could have a stronger mid-field but the CV 50/3.5 will have a slight edge in resolution everywhere else.

BTW: It's not uncommon for lenses in the 40-50mm range to have a slighter weaker mid-field. It even happens with modern lenses like the Batis 40/2.



Feb 02, 2019 at 02:27 PM
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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Voigtlander Heliar 50mm f/3.5


GMPhotography wrote:
Is it a collapsible lens

The earlier nickel version is collapsible but there are dangers depending on the particular camera. From Stephen Gandy: https://cameraquest.com/voigt_5035N.htm

A popular trick to avoid wrecking your shutter is preventing a full retraction by sticking tape or a rubber band on the barrel.



Feb 02, 2019 at 02:27 PM
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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · Voigtlander Heliar 50mm f/3.5


Here is the evolution of this lens. I'm using version IV.







Feb 02, 2019 at 02:52 PM
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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · Voigtlander Heliar 50mm f/3.5


I had the V3 - hated it for the ergos. The aperture ring was loose and clacky, a very sloppy fit.
Then bought the V4 used - loved it. But had to return it as B&H sold me one with a bug in the glass!



So still on the look out for a used one. Just missed out on one that was for sale here.



Feb 02, 2019 at 03:48 PM
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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · Voigtlander Heliar 50mm f/3.5


Desmolicious wrote:
Then bought the V4 used - loved it. But had to return it as B&H sold me one with a bug in the glass!

Similar story here. Had to return a bottle of mezcal because I poured myself a drink and found a bug in the glass. I hate products like that.



Feb 02, 2019 at 04:21 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
Here is the evolution of this lens. I'm using version IV.


Anybody know anything about this

https://www.ebay.com/itm/EX-Voigtlander-HELIAR-50mm-f-2-Leica-L-10th-Anniv-Lens-one-of-only-600/113601558638?hash=item1a732e386e:g:1JQAAOSw5vxcTiES:rk:20f:0

It's a 2/50 heliar released in about 2009 I think (But am not sure)

If it were as nice as a L50 it could be a good, and gorgeous looking, alternative.
I'm a little skeptical as it's only 5 elements (plenty for an f3.5, a bit marginal for an f2 I would have thought) but worth knowing...



Feb 02, 2019 at 04:27 PM
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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · Voigtlander Heliar 50mm f/3.5


Fred Miranda wrote:
Here it is:

(I'm wondering how this tiny lens does against the mighty 50/1.4 ZA)


I've had my finger over the buy button on this guy so often over the last few years. It'll be a lovely light multi day hiking 50. But in the end I haven't been able to talk myself into thinking that a little weight saving over L50 or nicer sunstars over FE55 justifies it...




Feb 02, 2019 at 04:29 PM
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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · Voigtlander Heliar 50mm f/3.5


Hell I can justify just about anything.


Feb 02, 2019 at 05:22 PM
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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · Voigtlander Heliar 50mm f/3.5


DavidBM wrote:
I've had my finger over the buy button on this guy so often over the last few years. It'll be a lovely light multi day hiking 50. But in the end I haven't been able to talk myself into thinking that a little weight saving over L50 or nicer sunstars over FE55 justifies it...


With the Voigtlander adapter, it's 250 grams. (With other cheaper adapters, it will be around 235g)

I think you would appreciate the flare resistance, bold colors and high resolution/contrast from wide open. No wonder Cosina does not want to change the original design. It's a gem.

The mid-zone weakness I mentioned is only caused by field curvature and it's much less severe than what I see on the Loxia 50 and 35mm images at infinity. From what I've seen so far, the CV 50/3.5's OOF rendering is much smoother compared to the Loxia 50 at mid-distance. You get that soft rendering without much blur which works well for many scenarios.



Feb 02, 2019 at 06:05 PM
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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · Voigtlander Heliar 50mm f/3.5


Here are more 1:1 crops from the images I posted on the first page:

Both wide open.












Feb 02, 2019 at 06:14 PM
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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · Voigtlander Heliar 50mm f/3.5


What I like about it is the fall off transitions


Feb 02, 2019 at 06:34 PM
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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · Voigtlander Heliar 50mm f/3.5


That's what I call a well-behaved lens! And the CA correction is awesome.


Feb 02, 2019 at 06:59 PM
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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · Voigtlander Heliar 50mm f/3.5


@Fred Miranda, have you tested the Heliar 50/3.5 with extension tubes? Just for close ups, not necessarily macro. Thanks.

I very much like the colours and out of focus rendering of the Heliar 50/3.5. Thanks for sharing, and bringing the lens to our attention.

The Heliar 50/3.5 VM could be combined with the Tele-Tessar 85/4 ZM and Color-Skopar 21/3.5 FE to form a small MF hiking kit.




Feb 02, 2019 at 08:45 PM
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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · Voigtlander Heliar 50mm f/3.5


bjornthun wrote:
@Fred Miranda@, have you tested the Heliar 50/3.5 with extension tubes? Just for close ups, not necessarily macro. Thanks.

I very much like the colours and out of focus rendering of the Heliar 50/3.5. Thanks for sharing, and bringing the lens to our attention.

The Heliar 50/3.5 VM could be combined with the Tele-Tessar 85/4 ZM and Color-Skopar 21/3.5 FE to form a small MF hiking kit.



Yea I could leave the bigger 40 1.2 home and go CV 15,21, 50, Leica 75 which is really small. Big gap though between 21/50 and than Iíd have a CV 40, Sony 50 1.4 and than a Heliar 50. Getting pretty crowded there.Hmm



Feb 02, 2019 at 09:34 PM
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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · Voigtlander Heliar 50mm f/3.5


Samyang or Zony 35/2.8 are the only really small wide angles between 21mm and 50 mm I can think of that work well on stock Sony cameras, but they are AF.

I have the Zony 35/2.8 and one AF lens in a kit could be useful, but it would handle differently.

The Leica 75/2,5 is very nice and f/2.5 is good to have, but are 50mm and 75mm too close? Just thinking out loud now.



Feb 02, 2019 at 09:44 PM
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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · Voigtlander Heliar 50mm f/3.5


DavidBM wrote:
Anybody know anything about this

https://www.ebay.com/itm/EX-Voigtlander-HELIAR-50mm-f-2-Leica-L-10th-Anniv-Lens-one-of-only-600/113601558638?hash=item1a732e386e:g:1JQAAOSw5vxcTiES:rk:20f:0

It's a 2/50 heliar released in about 2009 I think (But am not sure)

If it were as nice as a L50 it could be a good, and gorgeous looking, alternative.
I'm a little skeptical as it's only 5 elements (plenty for an f3.5, a bit marginal for an f2 I would have thought) but worth knowing...


It can be found on the last page here, and the document says it was released to market in November 2009:
http://www.cosina.co.jp/seihin/voigtlander/archives/Limited.pdf

There seem to be silver and nickel editions of this lens, nickel version can be seen e.g. here:
https://www.mapcamera.com/item/3717006823126
(Currently available very used copy that looks heavily worn is around 885 USD at Map Camera.)

There are also other earlier versions of Heliar 50/2 shown on page 6 that were sold bundled with some Bessa cameras. The optical design diagrams do look identical, but I'm not sure if there are any differences, e.g. in coatings etc. At least the original version has "classic" in the title.

All of these Heliar 50/2 are quite rare in Japan 2nd hand market now and tend to go for higher prices >1000$ when in fine condition. I was always interested but didn't want to pay quite that much so I haven't picked up any of the 50/2 versions.

I think they would not be quite as optically perfect as the 50/3.5 but people in Rangefinder forum seem to like these:
https://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158631

I only own the 50/3.5 version IV, the same version that Fred is now reporting about. The older editions are usually more expensive than this newer one in 2nd hand market in Japan. They are not nearly as rare in the 2nd market as various versions of Heliar 50/2.



Feb 02, 2019 at 10:20 PM
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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · Voigtlander Heliar 50mm f/3.5


I'd love to see them do a 40/2 pancake for E mount.





bjornthun wrote:
Samyang or Zony 35/2.8 are the only really small wide angles between 21mm and 50 mm I can think of that work well on stock Sony cameras, but they are AF.

I have the Zony 35/2.8 and one AF lens in a kit could be useful, but it would handle differently.

The Leica 75/2,5 is very nice and f/2.5 is good to have, but are 50mm and 75mm too close? Just thinking out loud now.




Feb 02, 2019 at 11:41 PM
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